Demigod Piracy Running High

oliveira8

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Man this game is really out of luck.

First gamestop sells the game before it comes out, then the games gets pirated to hell and finally the pirated copys fill up the servers keeping legit costumers from not buying.
 

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BleachedBlind said:
It's hard to justify purchasing this game, at least during this stage of its life. First, there is no campaign...at all. That leaves you with skirmishes against AI and playing online. Since I haven't played it, I can't tell you if the old "this is really just meant to be played online only" approach works for it. Aside from the piracy problem, it is my understanding that they set up a P2P system that's largely dysfunctional.

I'm not advocating its piracy, but I think it is a little short of being ready for sale at this stage. Adding in a campaign for proper single player, fixing the online setup, or pumping out some extra content would help right now. They should have just hosted servers and required a CD Key like every other smart company ever.
So, you're justifying the pirate's actions? They can release the alpha version, and it wouldn't be ok. Trying to justify piracy (Regardless of your advocacy) just makes you look odd. DRM is not the answer, but I hope the industry finds it soon.
 

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Edit: And please, let's not use such inflammatory headlines as "PC gamers are showing their gratitude for Stardock's approach by pirating it up the wazoo". That doesn't help the cause, and is also misleading. I expected better of the Escapist.

While this is obviously a terrible event and saddening to see happen, let's just keep in mind what Stardock's CEO, Rob Wardell, had to say regarding the subject, before we all bust a nut over how pirates kill/will kill/killed Demigod (mind you it's been just 2 days since launch):

http://draginol.joeuser.com/article/303512/Piracy_PC_Gaming

Now, I don't like piracy at all. It really bugs me when I see my game up on some torrent site just on the principle of the matter. And piracy certainly does cost sales. But arguing that piracy is the primary factor in lower sales of well made games? I don't think so. People who never buy software aren't lost sales.
Now, obviously some of what he said should be applied to the game on a case-by-case basis. Sins has a very strong singleplayer mode and doesn't rely on online-only play as much as Demigod does. Also, Gamestop released early, which also meant that some of their network architecture wasn't quite ready, in addition to the glut of illegitimate users clogging up the network.

He also posted on his blog recently (March 3) about the very subject:

http://frogboy.impulsedriven.net/article/302494/PC_game_piracy_hurts_us_all

I don't like DRM. But the pirates are ensuring that our future is going to be full of it because at the end of the day, the people who make stuff are going to protect themselves. It's only a question of when and how intensive the DRM will get. And that's something only the pirates can change -- if you're using a pirated piece of software, either stop using it or buy it.
Obviously, Stardock makes its games with this in mind. A game with no copy protection is sure to be pirated to some degree, but does a game WITH terribly invasive DRM avoid getting pirated? So far the answer is a resounding no. Piracy DOES hurt, and DOES encourage the use of DRM, but DRM still isn't the answer, and Stardock knows it.

Was Demigod hurt by this? Clearly yes, given the way it was designed (i.e. multiplayer-dependent). Should it have been designed differently with this in mind? That's up for debate. It still has a strong offline component, also. Sins has no campaign, either, and it was one of the best-selling and most profitable titles of 2008.

So what I'm saying is "don't jump on the bandwagon just yet". There are a lot of things that factor into determining a game's success or failure, and piracy is almost never the PRIMARY factor.

Am I justifying piracy? No. Does what I've just said mark me as a dirty pirate trying to rationalize? That's up to you to decide. All I know is that I'm happily playing my copy of Demigod, which I bought off of Impulse, but am staying off the servers until it works out, which it will.
 

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couldnt they have just made u have to register ur game to use the multiplayer, thereby rendering all illegal copies unable to use it? As opposed as I am to piracy; putting everything on the table & saying "its all here, please take responsibly" knowing most ppl wont is just asking for trouble.
 

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The_Oracle said:
ReSpawn said:
All this has happened before...

...but does it have to happen again?
That's the question, isn't it?

Personally I'm going with Six's opinion, but still.
My god, staring into that tiny dancing robot's eyes...

We're doomed.
 

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This is sad. Not only completely dispelling most pirates argument of well if it didn't have drm we wouldn't pirate it. But also the people who did pay the price for the game end up getting a worse experience because of those same pirates.

Where is the win for anyone other then the pirates

Developers loose money of people that would have bought it just to try it. Servers get hammered by people that didn't pay for the game which keeps people that did pay from actually playing. Pirates experience is lowered because of all the other pirates which then releases bad reviews or forum posts and causes more people to stray away from the game. There is absolutely no winning when people think pirating a game is ok.

The whole demo thing is getting old too. If you really want a demo released write the company and express your opinion. I have some friends that pirate games with these excuses and maybe have actually bought 1 or 2 out of the slew of games that they downloaded although it is funny how many of those "demos" they actually complete the full game on.
 

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Not putting nazi-DRM like install limits and online activation in your game: Good.

Not putting in a basic cd-key validation to keep pirates off official servers: Moronic.
 

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scotth266 said:
Anyone who pirated this, please turn in your testicles, along with all cred you possess as a gamer. You clearly deserve neither.
Well, that works for the guys, but I think the women need to be sterlized too.
scotth266 said:
And I don't need to hear more people parroting "DOTA DOTA DOTA". Who cares about DOTA when Blizzard makes tons of money all the time? As a gaming public against DRM, we need to support companies with like ideals.

EDIT: Apologies for sounding all pissy. It's just that DRM invokes the worst rage in me that you can get.
Agreed, I don't even know what DotA is.
 

oliveira8

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Doug said:
scotth266 said:
Anyone who pirated this, please turn in your testicles, along with all cred you possess as a gamer. You clearly deserve neither.
Well, that works for the guys, but I think the women need to be sterlized too.
scotth266 said:
And I don't need to hear more people parroting "DOTA DOTA DOTA". Who cares about DOTA when Blizzard makes tons of money all the time? As a gaming public against DRM, we need to support companies with like ideals.

EDIT: Apologies for sounding all pissy. It's just that DRM invokes the worst rage in me that you can get.
Agreed, I don't even know what DotA is.
Defense of the Ancients. Its a WC3 multiplayer mode/map thingie...it fails too.
 

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oliveira8 said:
Doug said:
scotth266 said:
Anyone who pirated this, please turn in your testicles, along with all cred you possess as a gamer. You clearly deserve neither.
Well, that works for the guys, but I think the women need to be sterlized too.
scotth266 said:
And I don't need to hear more people parroting "DOTA DOTA DOTA". Who cares about DOTA when Blizzard makes tons of money all the time? As a gaming public against DRM, we need to support companies with like ideals.

EDIT: Apologies for sounding all pissy. It's just that DRM invokes the worst rage in me that you can get.
Agreed, I don't even know what DotA is.
Defense of the Ancients. Its a WC3 multiplayer mode/map thingie...it fails too.
Hey, DotA is fun sometimes :p
 

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This is why we need DRM pure and simple.....

Fucking pirates are going to make PC releases a thing of the past!
 

oliveira8

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CantFaketheFunk said:
oliveira8 said:
Doug said:
scotth266 said:
Anyone who pirated this, please turn in your testicles, along with all cred you possess as a gamer. You clearly deserve neither.
Well, that works for the guys, but I think the women need to be sterlized too.
scotth266 said:
And I don't need to hear more people parroting "DOTA DOTA DOTA". Who cares about DOTA when Blizzard makes tons of money all the time? As a gaming public against DRM, we need to support companies with like ideals.

EDIT: Apologies for sounding all pissy. It's just that DRM invokes the worst rage in me that you can get.
Agreed, I don't even know what DotA is.
Defense of the Ancients. Its a WC3 multiplayer mode/map thingie...it fails too.
Hey, DotA is fun sometimes :p
Maybe now..but when I played it a couple of years it was full of griefers and cheaters, and rude people that thought they were gods cause they mastered the art of DOTA.

And once in a full moon you would find a cool dude to play with...
 

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I think people saying that the piracy rate on this game is so high because there isn't DRM really aren't looking at the whole picture. What happened days before release? Publicity and a hell of a lot of it because of gamestops pre release. The sad fact is that the massive buzz around this games retail pre release has probably caused the extremely high piracy and is less down to the fact that it's 'easy' to pirate.

The really wierd thing is how people are saying this is a reason for DRM? Umm no... there is literally no difference in the 'difficulty' of pirating this game, compared to a game that is packed with DRM such as Spore.

Publicity causes piracy, not the difficultly of the original crack.
 

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Kangol said:
GOGO PIRATES!
This makes me very, very sad.

This obviously doesn't mean that DRM works. What it does mean is that virtually all claims of supporting piracy based on high-minded principle are complete garbage. People pirate because they can, plain and simple, and it seems pretty clear that while DRM as we've known it thus far is a failure, some form of effective copy protection is necessary and justified.