Diablo Gets Demolished, Hardcore Style

[Th37thTrump3t]

Was there a prize or something involved? This gets the same response as the people who like to post "First!!!" in response to any post, or people who brag about reaching level eleventy-five or whatever the current cap is in WoW first...

"Who cares??"

I'm not certain which aspect irks me more, the folks who do this because they think it's something worthwhile, or the people who line up to say "congrats!!!" immediately afterwards.

Maybe you should just stopped being irked by these trivial things, and realize gaming in general is pointless.

If that is your mindset... why are you here?

It's not my mindset. I was just illustrating how stupid this "But it won't make you any money and it's pointless" argument is in regards to this kind of stuff. (Well, in this case, it actually will make him money through a youtube partnership but you know...) For the vast majority of us, gaming is pretty pointless. We have fun while playing and that's it, and that's enough too, but then we shouldn't turn around and rag on someone when he sets up a record like this.

Ah, must have misinterpreted the tone of your post. I apologize.

 

[Elate]

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Yes I am aware what it means, as it was stated in the OP, captain obvious, but in my opinion, that still isn't skill, it takes skill to do something which is physically difficult to do by the mechanics of the game. Not something which can be obtained though planning and patience.

Hum, I guess so. I suppose since there are in fact people who do enjoy reading about this and feel it deserves applause, then why not. I just can't seem wrap my head around this.

Pretty much this.

 

[Hagi]

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Yes I am aware what it means, as it was stated in the OP, captain obvious, but in my opinion, that still isn't skill, it takes skill to do something which is physically difficult to do by the mechanics of the game. Not something which can be obtained though planning and patience.

Right... no such thing as skill in say chess, I mean every single idiot can move chess pieces. I mean it's all just planning and patience. Isn't anything in that game that's physically difficult to do by the mechanics of the game.

I think your definition might be a bit flawed.

 

[remmus]

"Who cares??"

The people who genuinely love games? Those who appreciate the competitive spirit and drive needed to do this? The ones that share a community spirit with fellow gamers, and can enjoy the skills of his/her fellow gamers?

There is quite a few that do.

 

[Coreless]

Okay so what i'm getting from my fellow Escapists is that the guy who done it cheated. Where does it say that he cheated?

*He "demonstrated" item duplication.
*He paused the game upon death, switched computers and logged in again to avoid the consequence.

That is all the cheating that I know of. Things that go against the spirit of the game however:

*He made use of bots to farm D2, then used the profits from that to buy the best gear in D3.
*He power leveled by exploiting the Kuell boss glitch.
*He farmed safe areas over and over for loot without engaging enemies (Pots, R-chests, T-goblins).

Overall he only managed to play a fucked up version of SC by removing the penalty of player death from the game. He's not alone in that regards however. It seems most people who play the game do the same. I've even seen people selling game progression for gods sake.

So congrats to this guy, I guess. Of all the cheaters and exploiters in the game he stands tall.

And what is crazy is that he was doing a lot of this on his livestream for everyone to see. I dropped in a few times while browsing twitch and saw him doing that quest exploit with Zoltan Kulle in Act 2 where you could turn in the quest endlessly by logging out and back in so he could power level his Barb to 60. I also love how how his fans are ok with him exploiting because they say "blizzard should have done a better job with bugs".

He even has youtube videos trying to explain away his exploiting by calling it "clever use of badly designed game" lol. If you have to come up with excuses to explain your actions then you know your doing something that was never intended by the game developers. This stuff doesn't surprise me to be honest, coming from WoW there have been countless top end guilds suspended and caught exploiting raid bosses to get kills and this guy was amongst them. Remember Yogg 0?

Congrats to him for getting the kill, but just wish it could have been done by someone who didn't need to exploit to get there. He is obviously a very dedicated and skilled player so it boggles my mind that he would even need to exploit in the first place but I guess when it comes to a world first...anything goes.

 

[Scars Unseen]

Aww... I was hoping this article was about something else entirely...

 

[Mumorpuger]

Was there a prize or something involved? This gets the same response as the people who like to post "First!!!" in response to any post, or people who brag about reaching level eleventy-five or whatever the current cap is in WoW first...

"Who cares??"

I'm not certain which aspect irks me more, the folks who do this because they think it's something worthwhile, or the people who line up to say "congrats!!!" immediately afterwards.

It is not easy to do what they did, why do you feel the need to tear down their accomplishment? They may not have cured cancer but most gamers I know love this kind of stuff. But I guess you are too cool for it.

EDIT: And the "gamers are virgins" thing from other gamers? Really? Why is it that the Escapist forums are full of some of the more hateful little spewers on the Internet? Still mostly good people, but the spewers, they really spew.

There was no accomplishment to tear down.

I really hate to be "that guy", but if there is no accomplishment to tear down...you do it. After all, must be easy if it isn't an accomplishment of some sort.

I can think of several different, better ways to accomplish an ultimately meaningless task. The difference is that the activities I do for fun (yes, I recognize these guys hopefully had fun, and that's what should be most important with games) don't inspire me to go "Look at me! I did it first!" because I don't expect praise for things like that.

He (and his friend) did something no one had ever done before. I would say that is an accomplishment. Or are accomplishments only for things YOU like?

OT: That couldn't of been easy. Congrats.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the biggest obstacle in the gaming industry becoming anything more than what it is today. When even our own community can't look at our achievements and say "Wow, nice job", then how can we expect that anyone is going to? Do you really think that baseball got where it was because everyone said "Psh, so you can his a ball really far, so what?" and then magically a multimillion dollar empire just came out of nowhere?

Of course, I'll bet that in 9/10 cases, people like Mum here would be 100% demanding attention if he was anywhere near as skilled. In fact, I'll bet that's just it, the nay-sayers wish it was them getting the attention, but they're too incapable of putting the effort into getting it. So like the jealous loner who wishes the girl would have dated him instead of that other guy, you look for every reason to try and discredit everything that made her choose him over you.

No, these people were the first people to be a game on a hard difficulty. Whoopty-doo. It has zero bearing on "the gaming industry becoming more."

Things that DO further my preferred industry:

Gamers working together to find a cure for aids [http://playstationlifestyle.net/2011/09/20/video-games-and-gamers-help-unlock-the-cure-to-aids/]

Gamers working with the Navy in order to stop pirates [http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/navy-crowdsources-pirate-fight-to-online-gamers/]

Microscopy surgeons reducing their chance of erring thanks to practice gleaned from video games [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4685909/ns/technology_and_science-games/t/surgeons-may-err-less-playing-video-games/]

These further our goal of having gaming be more legitimized, and what I consider accomplishments. Not being "ZOMG FIRST!" at killing Diablo 3's final boss. We should be cheering the former on, and greeting the latter with a resounding "Meh."

And to address your concerns about me, no, I would not demand attention for something this... in the end, pointless. To paraphrase a comedian: "I once overheard a guy say 'Man, I'm really good at Diablo.' Which is the same thing as if he had said, 'Man, I'm not good at a lot of things."


Look, it's really obvious that we disagree on this matter, and rather than talk in circles trying to convince each other that their wrong, let's just agree to disagree. To each their own, as the say.

 

[SecondPrize]

Congratulations to them in their skill at never catching a lag spike while entering a dungeon and exiting the screen freeze to their character deaths. Great job guys!

 

[SecondPrize]

Okay so what i'm getting from my fellow Escapists is that the guy who done it cheated. Where does it say that he cheated?

*He "demonstrated" item duplication.
*He paused the game upon death, switched computers and logged in again to avoid the consequence.

That is all the cheating that I know of. Things that go against the spirit of the game however:

*He made use of bots to farm D2, then used the profits from that to buy the best gear in D3.
*He power leveled by exploiting the Kuell boss glitch.
*He farmed safe areas over and over for loot without engaging enemies (Pots, R-chests, T-goblins).

Overall he only managed to play a fucked up version of SC by removing the penalty of player death from the game. He's not alone in that regards however. It seems most people who play the game do the same. I've even seen people selling game progression for gods sake.

So congrats to this guy, I guess. Of all the cheaters and exploiters in the game he stands tall.

And what is crazy is that he was doing a lot of this on his livestream for everyone to see. I dropped in a few times while browsing twitch and saw him doing that quest exploit with Zoltan Kulle in Act 2 where you could turn in the quest endlessly by logging out and back in so he could power level his Barb to 60. I also love how how his fans are ok with him exploiting because they say "blizzard should have done a better job with bugs".

He even has youtube videos trying to explain away his exploiting by calling it "clever use of badly designed game" lol. If you have to come up with excuses to explain your actions then you know your doing something that was never intended by the game developers. This stuff doesn't surprise me to be honest, coming from WoW there have been countless top end guilds suspended and caught exploiting raid bosses to get kills and this guy was amongst them. Remember Yogg 0?

Congrats to him for getting the kill, but just wish it could have been done by someone who didn't need to exploit to get there. He is obviously a very dedicated and skilled player so it boggles my mind that he would even need to exploit in the first place but I guess when it comes to a world first...anything goes.

He's actually one of the people who got the first lich king kill rolled back because they exploited the hell out of it. Patterns...

 

[NightHawk21]

Props to this guy. I'll watch the whole fight later, but I hope he acknowledges all the people that helped him lol. This guy had a huge team of people helping him farm and level. Still quite an accomplishment.

Edit: Looks like lots of people woke up on the wrong side of the bed today or are just out to hate.

 

[samsonguy920]

Good on this guy. I'd have to question his sanity considering the number of close calls he has dealt with. I'm hoping he is taking a break from the game.
Also, kinda surprised a Korean didn't already grab this. Guess their government's efforts to get them away from computers for a while is actually paying off.

I find it very sad that not only does the Blizzard rep not believe it to begin with, his company is monitoring every player so closely he can just call up a window and look at exactly what the guy's been doing.

That's full on Oceana territory there, what's next, re-writing play logs so only people they (or Activision) like can get major achievements?

I'm sorry it seems like you've dropped your tinfoil hat.

That's pretty standard stat gathering. They'll be able to get the data from every weapon to every enemy, anything you do is recorded. Stuff can be used amongst other things to be able to properly balance things going off hard numbers rather than anecdotal accounts from players shouting about certain things. Really not out of the ordinary or clandestine at all.

Steam's been doing the same thing from day one. They don't advertise it, because for one it is done anonymously except for achievements, and another it would be unprofessional. This wag who pretended to act like he didn't believe the hardest mode was beat was a complete wanker. I'd have to question how he got to his position other than being daddy's favorite.

 

[BoogieManFL]

The first ever Hardcore Inferno Diablo kill, and he drops FUCKING BLUES?!

What? Can you only get gear from the Auction House or blind luck?

Blizzard nerfed the boss drop rates so you can't just hop into the final act and farm Diablo for epic loot drops like in D2. Instead, they made it so that your loot drop rates increase after killing the elite mobs, so you have to play through the sections before the boss battle to get decent loot.

Granted I'm only on Nightmare but I've never seen a yellow drop or greater outside of normal difficulty, off anything, and I map and clear EVERYTHING. I have a buddy who was on Hell and does the same thing and says he virtually never sees anything above blue.

 

[Nami nom noms]

...Congratulations?

I guess?

 

[WhiteTigerShiro]

These further our goal of having gaming be more legitimized, and what I consider accomplishments. Not being "ZOMG FIRST!" at killing Diablo 3's final boss. We should be cheering the former on, and greeting the latter with a resounding "Meh."

And yet all of those are a complete waste of time when people look at our community and see that kind of attitude towards our fellow gamers achieving something that few in our community can do. Why bother getting into something if you know that everyone you'll be interacting with doesn't give a shit about what you did? Nah, screw that, might as well just go down to the bar and watch the game with the guys, at least there's some camaraderie there.

To paraphrase a comedian:

And we're done here. Heck, at this point, you might as well cite South Park as a source to support your claim.

 

[SomeLameStuff]

Granted I'm only on Nightmare but I've never seen a yellow drop or greater outside of normal difficulty, off anything, and I map and clear EVERYTHING. I have a buddy who was on Hell and does the same thing and says he virtually never sees anything above blue.

That's due to the Magic Find check the game now runs when it generates loot. If your Magic Find is low, blues is all you get. Mine is at 126%, so I pick up yellows pretty regularly, and I found a couple of legendaries already.

And of course, it also comes down to the RNG. Tough luck if it doesn't like you.

 

[Shane McCay]

I'm sorry to say this, but I'm sort of glad that I never got into the Diablo series. If I did, I would have put down 60$ for a game that apparently still isn't finished.
Honestly, it's like that one parent who runs after the school bus screaming about how her kid forgot some insignificant thing at home. Why can't Blizzard leave D3 where it is?

 

[Mumorpuger]

These further our goal of having gaming be more legitimized, and what I consider accomplishments. Not being "ZOMG FIRST!" at killing Diablo 3's final boss. We should be cheering the former on, and greeting the latter with a resounding "Meh."

And yet all of those are a complete waste of time when people look at our community and see that kind of attitude towards our fellow gamers achieving something that few in our community can do. Why bother getting into something if you know that everyone you'll be interacting with doesn't give a shit about what you did? Nah, screw that, might as well just go down to the bar and watch the game with the guys, at least there's some camaraderie there.

To paraphrase a comedian:

And we're done here. Heck, at this point, you might as well cite South Park as a source to support your claim.

Very graceful bow-out. Thank you for conceding.

 

[WhiteTigerShiro]

These further our goal of having gaming be more legitimized, and what I consider accomplishments. Not being "ZOMG FIRST!" at killing Diablo 3's final boss. We should be cheering the former on, and greeting the latter with a resounding "Meh."

And yet all of those are a complete waste of time when people look at our community and see that kind of attitude towards our fellow gamers achieving something that few in our community can do. Why bother getting into something if you know that everyone you'll be interacting with doesn't give a shit about what you did? Nah, screw that, might as well just go down to the bar and watch the game with the guys, at least there's some camaraderie there.

To paraphrase a comedian:

And we're done here. Heck, at this point, you might as well cite South Park as a source to support your claim.

Very graceful bow-out. Thank you for conceding.

Feel free to point out the part where I said you're right. Note that the "We're done here" is in response to you quoting someone who's entire career is to tell jokes and make exaggerated points for comedic effect. His opinion on anything doesn't mean squat.

 

[Ashannon Blackthorn]

Ok... so my question is this. Did he cheat and exploit? if yes then why give him any credit? just proves he was incapable of truely beating tyhe game and doesn'tr deserve any respect whatsoever.

Sorry, but using exploits and cheap tricks does not impress me. Having people aid you doeds not make a solo kill...

So no, no congratz to the guy. However I will give you a digusted shake of the head.

**disgusted shake of the head**

Enjoy

 

[Ympulse]

Jeez a lot of jealously and trolls here. Very disspointing.

Anyway, congratz to the gentleman!

Jealous of the Diablo equivalent of an aimbotter?

No, not really.

Not at all.