Did Twilight really suck that much?

[spartan231490]

I suppose people hate it for the same reason people hate Call of Duty. Because it's popular. Or something.

exactly.

It's not bad at all, people just hate it because they want to hate things. it makes them feel better about their own pathetic miserable lives

Yeah people only hate on things because they're stupid or something.

The irony is delicious.

Really? "people only hate on things because they're stupid or something." This is what you got out of my post? I was saying that hating something is cathartic, and boosts self-image.

You said they had pathetic miserable lives. If that's not hating on people it's really close.

I think all people have pathetic miserable lives. i said hating things is one of the ways people feel better about that. So, no, I'm not hating on people, just pointing out my opinion. Although the rain of idiotic responses is beginning to make me "hate on people"

 

[Kurai Angelo]

So I was browsing the forums and I saw a Twilight hate comment. And that brang back memories of other people hating on Twilight. And more. AND MORE. And I have to ask, did it really suck that much? Was it really that bad? i read it and thought it was fine. There were a few good bits, a few bad bits, and Bella is about as emotional as a box, but I didn't want to gouge out my eyes over it. Ok, so it didn't exactly blow my mind. But all it was was average. A lot of books are average! I don't hate (and this is just me looking at a random book that I didn't like all that much) Endymion Spring entirely because I forgot about it 20 minutes after finishing. So why do people hate Twilight so much?

EDIT: The BOOK people. THE BOOK.

I think people's main gripe is that it's put on a pedestal by every little fucker under the age of 14 (shush I'm totally not generalising) and it is genuinely a mediocre piece of work at best. It's unimaginative, uninspired and just plain pathetic,

 

[Matt Dellar]

My sister gave me the first book to read since she enjoyed it. I was bored one day after reaching the Elite Four with my terribly underleveled Pokemon, so I picked it up. I didn't read it all the way through in one sitting, but I at least finished it.

I thought it was the very definition of average. I didn't like it or dislike it. That doesn't mean, on the other hand, that I thought it wasn't worthy of all the hatred it's getting. The Companion Cube was a far better character than Bella, and every time Jacob or Edward was brought into the scene, my "fanservice for girls" detector exploded. Ninety percent of Jacob's screen time was spent shirtless. Edward was a flawless hero, his only apparent flaw being one that just made him sexier to the fangirls (though I admit it did flaw him pretty badly for the male readers).

I don't really like the idea of vampires exploding into flames in sunlight. I prefer it if they're just badly weakened, like Dracula. Then again, my favorite vampire of all time would die in sunlight.

It's Flandre Scarlet, by the way.

 

[Astoria]

People hate it because they don't think it deserves the popularity that it has, which it doesn't. It's an average book series and the movies are just crap really due to the acting. Most people also don't like the fact that the lore used is just stupid.

 

[Mr.France]

Boy, it sure is refreshing to see a forum that's about QUESTIONING hate instead of feeding on it like it was pizza.

Well, I can only speak for myself, so here it goes: the movies/books are nothing compared to the people who say they are the greatest thing ever and can't face anyone disagreeing without bursting into self-defensive and poorly-argumenting rage (who are NOT the entirety of the twilight fans). Those are the ones I have problems with, because I would actually like us all to be able to coexist without all the hate. The movies just annoy me a little, can't say anything about the books though.

As for the "reimagining" of the vampires as an issue, I did not like the sparkling vampire who feeds on animals and not humans, but I also didn't like the version of Dracula in which he is actually Judas, is weakened by silver and dies hanged in electric wires. I don't have anything against the act of reimagining things that have already been written, but there are some ideas I would not have agreed with.

Well, I think this is what I had to say, at least this is what I could say, it is almost 3 in the morning here. So let me say goodbye in a rather hippie way and wish that we are all able to put down the hate and accept that other people have crappy tastes (myself included, according to some point of view that certaily exists and against which I hold nothing, unless he's a Nazi).

 

[Angry Camel]

It's more tha fans that are a pain. I read the first bit of Twilight, I got a few pages before my brain hopped out. It's just the culture that has formed around this below average piece of work, trying to elevating it to compete with classics.

The hate for the book is exaggerated, but not by much.

 

[OhSnap]

I actually read the books, I like to give everything a chance before I hate it.

Or maybe I just enjoy being able to tear things I hate apart piece by piece.

Either way.

The books are absolutely terribly written. The characters are bland and stereotypical. It's uninteresting.

My biggest thing against it is the relationship between Edward and Bella. It's portraying what is arguably an incredibly abusive relationship in a positive light. http://io9.com/5413428/official-twilights-bella--edward-are-in-an-abusive-relationship sums it up best.

 

[Cid Silverwing]

People hate on it because Stephanie Meyer has no fucking idea what a vampire is, or even a werewolf. She's been teaching impressionable young teens and pre-teens that having a stalker boyfriend who guilts you into submission with suicide threats is a healthy relationship.

She also spams synonyms for how "magnificent" the characters are, line after fucking line. I'm not joking when I tell you, none of the characters in Twilight are even slightly relatable and will have you saying the 8 deadly words in record time, if your brain is still intact after reading any of it.

If that's not enough, the fantar-sorry, fanGIRLS, are so unbelievably rabid that if you so much as literally roll your eyes at their brainless gushing about how Twilight is the infinite gift of Christ, you WILL be assaulted in the streets. I've heard stories, even pets have been killed in the name of Twilight, in an identical fashion to religious extremism. Students get threatened with murder and slightly older people get attacked in open streets.

Why Meyer was allowed to publish this garbage that has incited Biblical levels of violence (seriously) is beyond me.

It almost made me want to drop the vampire and werewolf mythos from my own metaverse seeing as how Meyer is to these popular Fantasy myths what Internet trolls are to best friends online. That is to say, sapping all the fun out of it!

 

[Hyperactiveman]

No it still sucks...

It's lame and inarticulate, has no relevance to actual vampires and is just teen shit love affair where all the whiny kids think they have real problems.

Jesus Christ htfu.

 

[Smooth Operator]

You do understand that apart from one or two people here noone read the books?
Because there aren't that many 12 year old girls around.

As for the movies, they were bad, sure they were ok compared to Dawson's creek and all that teen drama horse shit, but compared to actual movies... it's just bad.

And then you add that they took a steaming runny dump on the image of vampires... I hate them for that alone.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I suppose people hate it for the same reason people hate Call of Duty. Because it's popular. Or something.

You'd suppose wrong.

While we're just scratching the surface of the zit, we'll come away with layers of misogynistic, Mormon abstinence porn breaking the pus-filled core of a middle-aged woman's creepy adoration for her dream man - who beats her - oozes out.

Then we're left with the open sore that her knowledge and research in the areas of prey/predator, biology, geology, geography, grammar, writing, empathy, maths, physics, anatomy left behind; almost whistling in the wind from the central blank hole now left there - a woman who reads classic romance books as her only friend before the most perfect man ever enters her life - and instantly declares her as the only one.

Looking across the epidermis, we can see little mini-zits rising to the surface as we realise the main core is teasing through the toxins with revelations that the ugly girl already had offers, is teasing an obviously gay werewolf - who is in love with her baby, destroys families for their love, gives up everything to be with a guy she's just met, let's him beat/stalk and pine after her, and spends four months just moping because he isn't there.

Even when we try and scrub the open sores off, we realise that the practice of having these dripping abrasions on your skin has been taken as a sign of honour, of fashion, of almighty right. It drives people swollen with spots to launch themselves at anything that would disagree, the furious rage of the unloved tearing apart those who are ex-sufferers or never suffered at all. There's is the only way to be. They are the only ones who truly know pain.

Then we look beneath the surface of the skin to find out what caused this huge zit and find a plethora of chocolates, teenage longing and hormonal rage that it feeds on, hungrily, satisfied in the male by pictures of sweaty bodies - but satisfied here by bringing out millions of these little zits all across the bodies of those that read them. Permanently disfiguring the reader with ideas that make normal relationships dangerous, if not impossible.

Finally, we'll scrub the remains of the zits off our skin, and we'll find out that years later, unscrupulous people are still injecting this vile collection of poisions back into our system by asking questions like "Why all the hate on Twilight?".

No sir, I don't like it.

 

[Akytalusia]

it's all about the sparkle. vampires do not sparkle, damnit.

 

[Ikaruga33]

I cannot have an opinoin on the book as I have never read it

The movie I have seen and I can say that IT IS BORING

Its not gouge your eyes out horrible its just very boring and uninteresting

 

[ThatLankyBastard]

Spoiler: Art to Porn Discussion

As a piece of art? Yeah, it sucked flaming donkey balls.

It was terrible.

TERRIBLE.

But as porn?

My god. It was a MASTERPIECE.

Think about it. Essentially, the only thing it did was serve as masturbational fodder for teenage girls.

The reason Bella was so non-existent as a character was so that the audience could put themselves in her place.

In a porno, you never show the male leads face. Because the person watching wants to imagine that he's fucking a beautiful woman and has the body of a god.

Edward was kind of an asshole, but he was likable. Desirable. Everyone wanted him.

Ditto for Jacob.

And you had these two men fighting each other over the lead.

Even more importantly, she gave the lead IMPORTANCE. The reader was able to imagine theirself as the center of incredibly important events.

Etc. etc.

Wow... you just made me want to go back and actually read it...

...but then again, i'm sure there's some fan-fic online that can count as actual porn... Rule 34!

OP: I never bothered to read the books because I have no interest in most romance novels (the only exception being "The Forest of Hands and Teeth", and that had zombies in it!), but I was FORCED to watch the movies...

...and I wanted to gouge my eyes out with a rusty quarter!!!

I'm sure the book is good on some sort of level, but the painful memories from the movie would completely ruin it for me even if I did find I enjoyed it...

[sub][sub][sub]Off to Rule 34![/sub][/sub][/sub]

EDIT: Oh! Yeah!

...and I cannot forgive the series for ruining Vampires for me...

"They used to be manly damnit!!! Now look at them...
They don't burn in the sunlight, they fucking sparkle!SPARKLE!"

 

[Asita]

Not really. as I said above, I've read it, and it's not nearly as terrible as everyone says. It's certainly not great, but it's not really below average either. Hell, if you limit yourself to young adult fiction, which is what twilight is, it's a fair sight above average.

As for Steven King, I haven't been impressed by anything he's done. I certainly don't consider him much of an authority. I form my own opinions, using my own observations, I really don't care what who said about what.

I dislike a great many things, people, books, purse-dogs, spinach, Mr. Boston Vodka, the list goes on. I don't make a point out of "hating it" all over the internet. I truly believe that people who do that with anything; whether it's twilight, or CoD, or Bieber; are just trying to make themselves feel better about their own horrible lives.

So by making a point out of hating the haters, online, you're trying to make yourself feel better about your own pathetic, miserable life, as you put it? Now if I was a betting man, I'd probably say you're going to disagree with this portrayal of your rationale, if not the condescending assumptions about your life. When you see why you reject that claim, you will also see why we reject yours.

 

[crimsonshrouds]

It was terrible then and its terrible now. I never read the full book but i read a few pieces from it. It's self-insert fanfiction and one of the worst out there. I've read a lot of bad fanfiction too.

Vampires dont sparkle end of discussion and its not reimagining either don't give that stupid excuse.

 

[Seanfall]

YES! End of the fucking argument! (had to quote Lewis Black there. Hee hee)

It's a bad book, Movie, Miniseries, CONCEPT! Sparkly Vampires, hairless wolfs in human form, A cardboard cutout of a main character (who is a manipulative little *****) Who is constantly whining about this non issue of who to choice. You know what both look pretty damn bland to me. And the dialogue oh dear god the Dialogue of these fucking movies, and books. Hell for the third it can be summed up like this: Bella: "Fuck me." Edward: "No. It'll hurt and we're not married." Bella: "Okay turn me into vampire then fuck me." Cause BELLA NEEDS DICK! Hell if this chick got a vibrator the story would be over in a half a fucking hour. The dumb *hour and half of random names* That is Stephenie Myeyre and no I don't care if that's not how you spell her name. That wrote these shitty stories admitted that it was all based on a SEX DREAM! I mean bella almost kills herself when the creepy eyed lame ass excuse for a vampire, (The Count from Sesame Street has is more a Vampire then this douche) dumps her. But then ooooh he gives her a creepy I'm gonna rape you look and suddenly *POOF* back trying to get to his sparkly undead junk. I hope it ruins the careers of everyone involved. I know people who about a year ago were die hard fans. Now they don't even like to talk about it. Guess they grew taste buds.

And SPARKLY. VAMPIRES. Seriously where the fuck do get it an bass ackwards idea like that? No it's not clever, no it's not unique it's fucking stupid. yes I've read all the books, I've seen the moives, no I won't be seeing breaking Dawn cause after I read and watched em I went on a three day drinking binge in an attempt to destroy all memory of it. It kinda worked, expect now 4th-5th grade is kinda splotchy on the details. Yeah it comes off like a rant. But after a couple of years of having this shit almost shoved in my face and in my ears, by TV, the Internet, EVEN ON XBOX!! waaahhh! my one escape and there he was. Robert Effn Patterson staring at me mocking me with his money. Cause despite how awful they where they made money. Despite how terrible the writing, acting, and story is. They will make money and that. That is the sad part.

 

[Loreley]

As a person who's read all four books out of morbid interest: I, too, thought that these books couldn't possibly be as bad as everyone said they were. Well, I was wrong, they were a lot worse. The one positive thing about them is that they are very easy to read. Like brain candy (candy which tastes of rotten apples and oil, but still).

The writing is atrocious, the plot is forced and full of holes, it's misogynistic, the characters are boring and their characterization is frequently all over the place, the Volturi as villains really don't make any sense, but neither does half the other stuff in the series, so whatever. Oh, and that whole Imprinting business where grown men can fall in eternal irreversible love with two year olds and then constantly stalk around them until they're legal and everyone thinks that's romantic? Beyond creepy.

That said, I never quite got why people seemed to fear it would herald the end of western civilization. It was a very annoying popcultural phenomenon, but one that was bound to pass by quite quickly, as it thankfully has.

 

[Sinathor]

I think the movies are entertaining if you watch them as unintentional comedy. The storyline and characters are just laughably badly written and just generally shit.

A friend of mine is a big fan of the books but didn't exactly like the movies, so she obviously told me to read the books. To which I replied that if the books are even remotely connected to the movies, I see no way how the story could ever work properly without replacing all the characters and all plot elements.

The whole love triangle bullshit that the story is all about holds no weight whatsoever when every character is an idiot and has the emotional capacity of a rock. And we are expected to believe that these books and movies tell a story of -true- love. It's not just teenager crush kind of love, but eternal, true love.

Here's a great question for Twilight fans which I believe Spoony asked once... "What does Edward and Bella have in common?"

 

[Seanfall]

Read an Ann Rice novel, then filter that through the characters of American Dad. That is what Twilight is.

wow I...I can't think of a better way to put it. Oo..*bows*