Do you agree with this?

[Cheesus333]

That quote is so Goddamned stupid I don't even -

Hell, I'm not even adequately equipped to deal with this textually. So I shall let Kim do it.

Natasa Feb 20 2008
Women are the worst victims of war followed by children. This is a fact. I know.

That's right folks. Women are the worst victims of war. Apparently dying, which is what the men do in wars, is neither here nor there compared to what women experience. Oh and the children, you know, the innocent victims who are unable to fend for themselves...well, they also come in second...because the greatest suffering only happens when it happens to women.

Granted, this isn't new...it isn't ground breaking. All around the world travesties are only brought to light when they begin to affect women. It seems like we only start to hear about horrific atrocities when the women start to suffer...never mind the corpses of thousands and thousands of men may lie decaying in unmarked mass graves.

Perhaps a little extreme, but that essentially sums up my view on the matter. Perhaps a little concern for the soldiers who actually fight, bleed and die for their country would be in order too, Hillary?

 

[Hamster at Dawn]

I half agree with this. The problem is that men can also lose people in war and women can fight in wars. The quote seems rather sexist.

 

[JoJo]

I'd say children suffer more. as an adult, you usually have yur shit together, so if a family member dies, there's less impact. As a child, you lose one of half of the pairing that raises and loves you. Plus you go into that world of meeting new people who are supposed to be your father even though father is now in a box.

This, a child relies on their parents completely, to lose half of that is devastating. Sure women suffer in war but so do men, singling them out like this just turns men against feminism in the long run as rather than trying to secure women as equals it's trying to put them over men.

 

[Commissar Sae]

Everyone suffers in war, to say only those left behind are suffering is to ignore the serving troops and the civilians caught in the warzone.

 

[aei_haruko]

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
- Hillary Clinton.

I Think this is a load of crap. I mean sure, it would be bad to lose a family member but it would be a whole lot worse to die in combat. I believe the true "Victims" of war are the civilians that die when they have no part in the war. What are your opinions on this quote?

I agree, total crap. The victims are ALL people

 

[Bakuryukun]

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
- Hillary Clinton.

I Think this is a load of crap. I mean sure, it would be bad to lose a family member but it would be a whole lot worse to die in combat. I believe the true "Victims" of war are the civilians that die when they have no part in the war. What are your opinions on this quote?

I don't really think anybody should be deciding who suffers more in war, seeing as I and most others on this site have never be in a war, so any opinion that I have, and most of you have, on the subject is going to be aimless and empty conjecture at best.

All people involved in war suffer, it doesn't and shouldn't matter how much.

 

[FoolKiller]

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
- Hillary Clinton.

Wait... This, by definition, means that women aren't the primary victims of war. This would make them secondary or teritiary. Also, sucks more to be dead than to be the one mourning a loss. You can get better from one and not the other.

 

[Atheist.]

She's kind of an idiot. I'm pretty sure the people with PTSD from being tortured and being prisoners of war have it worse.

I really think she's trying to make people sexist, saying stupid things like this. As is losing your life is comparable to feeling depressed over losing said person. Use your brain a little bit, put some reigns on your emotions.

 

[Shameless]

So you're telling me that those who actually died at war are not victims ?

 

[TeeBs]

They are victims. Its not a load of shit, there's a very large debate about if/how anyone is the primary victim, but apart from that the point is entirely valid. She is a woman, so yeah, no shit that would be her first consideration.

Everyone's a victim, whether they sign up to it out of a misguided sense of patriotism or they're caught in the crossfire.

UK, huh? Yeah, you guys would think all patriotism is misguided. Suck a dick. I didn't go on tour twice for no good reason.

How about you go suck a dick just cause one guy phrased his opinion in a hurtful(to you) way doesn't mean you can take the piss out of a whole country.

How about YOU go suck a dick, because you told someone to go suck a dick and that's not very nice at all.

To be fair, the other one said it first. Let's all suck dicks!

We'll have a good old sausage-fest with some nice cock-fights for the entertainment.

This forum just got a whole lot sexier.

 

[Jonluw]

I agree.
Dying isn't too awful a concept. Being left behind after someone important to you dies though...

 

[LostTimeLady]

I would agree that the most tragic victims of war are those who aren't involved in the fighting, but the worst off are those who die, regardless of whether they're male, female, civvie or part of the military.

Sometimes those tragic victims are those who are left behind, yes, mothers, wives et cetera but also fathers and brothers, comrades who watched a fellow soldier and friend die.

But there's no escaping that the worst fate in war is death.

 

[Valdus]

I'd say men have more to lose. In addition to also losing family (such as brothers, fathers etc) they also risk losing friends - not just friends they had in their normal life. Platoons are taught to work as a team, that means bonding.

There's also other factors as well. People don't just die in a war. It's possible to be captured/tortured, to suffer a crippling injury that could last a life-time. The phrase "war is hell" doesn't exist for no reason.

Besides you can have female soldiers now. I think she should sign up for active service and sit in a warzone for a few hours. Let's see if she still holds such an idea afterwards.

 

[Robert Ewing]

I don't like it when people say something like this. I also hate it when feminist women beasts say that women have had it waaaay harder than any other living organism on this Earth.

Bull, men have had it just as hard, just shut up and stop trying to make people feel sorry for you. Women and Men are equals. I shouldn't have to to constantly feel sorry for being male, white, Scottish, middle class, I hate it.

 

[Dfskelleton]

That's stupid. If anyone suffers in war more than others, it's not women. Whether it be the good men who die on the battlefield, parents who must bury their sons and daughters, children without parents, or civilians who get caught in the crossfire, everyone suffers in one way or another.
If someone were to suffer the most, it would be the wounded. I couldn't think of much worse that being in constant agony while being kept alive with machines.

Captcha was: BONOBOS "the holy Grail of pants"
*rolls on floor laughing for no good reason"
These new captchas are a pain, but they're so funny!

 

[Ilyak1986]

The primary? No, I'm afraid I disaglee with that statement.

 

[THE_NAMSU]

Everyone's a victim, whether they sign up to it out of a misguided sense of patriotism or they're caught in the crossfire.

Beat me to it D:

 

[Lungo]

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
- Hillary Clinton.

I Think this is a load of crap. I mean sure, it would be bad to lose a family member but it would be a whole lot worse to die in combat. I believe the true "Victims" of war are the civilians that die when they have no part in the war. What are your opinions on this quote?

for someone to quote single line from a person out of content and ask for people to discuss on it, are stupid. It is an extremely easy way to manipulate and change the meaning in what there was actual said. A lot of stupid things has been done on the base of quoting people out of content and then raising discussion on it and in some chases moving to take actions on it.

For an example, take the "news" about a company making a game, where they make fun of adopted children. Sound familiar? Well then it most likely because you either watched WBTV ran a news footage about Portal 2 with the whole story being a single Weatherly joke, taken out of content.
The Escapist has even been so kind to provide a article on it: www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/110146-Adoptive-Parents-Call-Portal-2-Jokes-Offensive-to-Orphans

Back to the tropic, and try to comment from the single quote, out of content.

It is a stupid attempt from a person to try to highlight one group above others in a situation where there are no winners, beside the arms industry. That she actual comes with a statement like that, from a person in hers position, are close to the most stupid, sexist and single minded and foolish comment a person can make.

To cut it a little more out. Any one who try to emphasize a one part of a problem/incident, in the process to help yourself obtain your own goals are extremely selfish. Exactly what she's doing. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't Hillary Clinton a know spokesperson for woman rights groups? That just even more sad, to she her trying to narrowing all the bad there happening to everybody(minus the arms industry) involved into being ranking tournament for who we need to feel most for, since they suffer most.

... and the statement in itself... So it is now worse for the wife to loose a husband / farther / son, that to be the person in the line of fire, loosing friends getting hurt, see all sorts of stuff you would pray you never had seen or anyone should ever see or experience.

That statement and everything about it, person delivering it, person to quoting it etc. all the way down, are actual just wrong and stupid in so many ways that I can barley grasp to sum them all up and explain and defend them all. So I stop here.

God night everyone and thanks for the reading.

 

[prolefeedprocessor]

I don't think of the dead as victims in the same sense. They don't suffer. You have to exist to suffer. At least, that's how I see it from the perspective of the aftermath. DyING people are certainly victims.

 

[Febel]

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
- Hillary Clinton.

I Think this is a load of crap. I mean sure, it would be bad to lose a family member but it would be a whole lot worse to die in combat. I believe the true "Victims" of war are the civilians that die when they have no part in the war. What are your opinions on this quote?

Annoying quotes...annoying quotes never change(s).
Ron Perlman said that.