That's called Sturgeon's Law. 90% of everything is crap. It doesn't mean the remaining 10% is also crap.DioWallachia said:
Do you feel sorry for non gamers?
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No not really. I envy them actually. Every decision I've made in a videogame means shit in the real world. Lots of wasted time I could have invested on something more meaningful.
I'm a gamer and I haven't played any of the games you mentioned. And I don't feel sorry for myself, either. There's nothing wrong with not enjoying video games. There are plenty of other great hobbies and things to do with your time.
Then why are you even saying that games DONT have much to offer? You just contradicted yourself. You just dont know many good games and that is it, in the same way that people think that there are no good movies anymore because they dont know any better.Kahunaburger said:
Like i said "Its just a matter of perception"
I can certainly try:DioWallachia said:
Ocarina of Time
Various Grand Theft Autos - from Vice City, up to 4, back down to buying 3 on his iPhone a few months ago
A football (that's soccer if you're American) game on the PS1, loved by my family because one of the combo buttons was to full-on boot your opponent in the face
Crazy Taxi on our old PS2 (this one, now I think about it, he could play for hours)
House of the Dead III (again, our home copy, we don't go to arcades much. I did have the lightguns though!
)Halo 1 & 2 (both co-op playing through the full campaign, along with many hours of splitscreen/networked multipayer, no online)
Sim City 3000 (we managed to play this against each other: start at one date, you have until another date to make as much money as possible. It's really fun!)
Counter-Strike: Source (for about an hour, offline, VS me. I think he got one kill... we have rather different natural skill levels)
Command and Conquer: Generals - Zero Hour
Dawn Of War: Dark Crusade, replaced by Soulstorm when it was released
Guitar Hero (or at least that type of game)
Neverwinter Nights 1 (again playing co-operativly with me, he enjoyed it but we never completed it - I was home for the holidays - and he never played it solo when I left)
Minecraft
That's all I can remember... I'm sure there are more and the order may not be perfect, but the importent ones are in there and it's mostly chronological.
God no. That's completely ridiculous. Feeling sorry for people for not liking the same stuff I do?
I imagine there's a lot of younger people on this forum because it is usually a fairly early stage in emotional maturity that you come to realise that different people derive interest from different things. It is very self centered to not be able to see outside of your own wants and be confused by this. That's a pretty brutal assessment, I understand.
For instance, my mum loves her gardening. Absolutely adores it. To me it's a horrific experience that I'd rather never do in my whole life. Different strokes for different folks and all.
For instance, my mum loves her gardening. Absolutely adores it. To me it's a horrific experience that I'd rather never do in my whole life. Different strokes for different folks and all.
A little, because they always have a 'wtf' face when me and my gamer friends start talking. I mean, when three quarters of your friend group are looking at you like "Words come from your mouth but they make no sense to me!" because you're talking about the new shit in AC:R, you gotta feel bad because they're being excluded, and that's kinda shitty.
I mean, when it's three quarters of the group you're in, there's other shit for them to talk about. But I once spent the day with three of my friends, two of whom I grew up with playing video games, and one of their girlfriends. She spent the whole day confused as fuck, because the only thing we all had in common was we knew her boyfriend. We were friends because we all like manga, video games, Darren Shan books, metal music...
I mean, when it's three quarters of the group you're in, there's other shit for them to talk about. But I once spent the day with three of my friends, two of whom I grew up with playing video games, and one of their girlfriends. She spent the whole day confused as fuck, because the only thing we all had in common was we knew her boyfriend. We were friends because we all like manga, video games, Darren Shan books, metal music...
I'm not.DioWallachia said:
I think that there are good and bad things in any medium. Most of them are bad, but that's true for games, books, films, whatever. Maybe you have me confused with someone else?DioWallachia said:
I both pity them and envy them at the same time.
I pity them because they are missing out on works of art that gaming has created. Some of my most fun experiences have come from gaming.
I envy them though because I have wasted so much time when I should ave been doing other things. Chances are if I never got into gaming I'd be a solid A+ student. I also wouldn't have gotten into the internet as much meaning I would further have more time for work.
But I would have been unbelievably bored.
I REGRET NOTHING.
I pity them because they are missing out on works of art that gaming has created. Some of my most fun experiences have come from gaming.
I envy them though because I have wasted so much time when I should ave been doing other things. Chances are if I never got into gaming I'd be a solid A+ student. I also wouldn't have gotten into the internet as much meaning I would further have more time for work.
But I would have been unbelievably bored.
I REGRET NOTHING.
Not at all; we started a game of Halo 1, going through the whole calibration process after you wake up from the cryo-bay. It's true, maybe something like... I don't know, Sam and Max would have had a simpler control scheme, but she isn't stupid, she knows what's going on, she knows that there is a control scheme. To put that in context, I once taught my grandmother how to use her very first computer; the person knowing there is some sort of control scheme is a bigger thing that most people realise. You and I just look at a controler or keyboard and will probably have a rough idea of how to control the character, my mum at least knew that these buttons and sticks did control the character. Some peope don't even have that.DrVornoff said:
Some people just can't get that signal from the brain into the machine via their thumbs. It's not intuitive and while it probably could be learnt, it will never be the seamless, thoughtless process that's needed to enjoy a game.
Exacto. I don't really like art, it's just not my thing. I am pretty sure that almost everyone on this thread hasn't experienced all the myriad forms of different entertainment available to man and neither do they want too, for the opportunity cost is too high.DrVornoff said:
I don't know that I would describe it as "feeling sorry" but I do definitely feel that someone who pointedly avoids games is missing out. Sure, there are some people who don't like games or just don't get into them that have actually tried them, and that's cool. There are still far too many people out there that simply reject videogames outright because they are stuck in the mindframe that videgames = Pac-man or Space Invaders (or even Pong).
Think of your favourite movie, TV show or book. Maybe even take your favourite painting or piece of music. Now think of actually being able to live in and interact with it an a way that goes far beyond passive viewing or listening? I can't see why someone who turns their nose up at that sort of experience.
Think of your favourite movie, TV show or book. Maybe even take your favourite painting or piece of music. Now think of actually being able to live in and interact with it an a way that goes far beyond passive viewing or listening? I can't see why someone who turns their nose up at that sort of experience.
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I think the more I hear of stuff like this the more I feel sorry for the gamers.PureAussieGamer said:
Seriously people. What the hell?
Sorry broDioWallachia said:Yeah, you are right. Movies have so much to offer!! Character Arcs, well structured narrative, good pacing and everything that makes a good movie that its worth every millons of dolla........Elmoth said:
Oh...wait
Uhm....Ok, bad example. i suppose that literature is having a great time showing off to the movies and games how a good story is don........
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Why are we defending those again?
Its official. Games are the last bastion of creativity of the XXI century. Everything else its just a putrid creation to satisfy a wall
Games have potential to tell amazing stories, but for now only some of them tell good stories.
Of course, having a good writer make bad clichetopian worlds that have been already done before its an easy target but how is it that the others arent?DrVornoff said:
I never said that it was a properly equipped bastion for creativity or that there isnt many pest that need to be exterminated.
BADUM DISH
Since film making has the cold label of a "bussines" and therefore they NEED pull every trick on their sleave to make sure that only THEIR movies exist and only THEY have the rights for whatever thing they want to make into a movie to avoid giving other studios a chance, then yeah, i do believe it.
Unless we count independent filmaking in that case...........in that case we have to include independent game developers too. 2 part of each industry that doesnt get the spotlight it deserves but they still try their best to make good games. Except that since we are talking about big companies that have more monetary power, the indie has to be moved aside.
In this case, once again, the crap of movies outweight anything good made previously in film history. In the case of games, the companies still manages to give fruition decent games but its only a matter of time before they finally give up.
You know it, i know it. Soon the 2nd Video Game Crash will ensue and the fact that people are still bitching about things like ME3 ending without making bloody clear what is exactly wrong with that will mean that the developers will give up finally and do businesses blindfolded like when ATARI did when they decided to overproduce the Pacman port and the ET game.
Later.
You could give the children here an example of research tough.
In short, no. In fact, I kind of envy them: I just can't pry myself away from games anymore! I miss reading (more)...
Yeah sorry, i though it was the original guy who say that games dont have much to offerKahunaburger said:
DoPo said:Well, if there is nothing else left, we can at least listen to...Elmoth said:
You know what? Fuck it.
You've just used that button in one of the most creative ways imaginable. Congratulations.
OT: I don't think I know someone who doesn't play any video games. Keep in mind, I'm counting casual stuff like Angry Birds and Words with Friends, as well. Everyone in my life has at least had a small sampling of the gaming medium. Granted, I'm trying to steer some people toward a more active gaming lifestyle (my girlfriend, for example, whom I've introduced to Portal and Minecraft, and is now interested in Half-Life and Team Fortress 2), but of course, I know I'll fail sometimes (my mother will never understand my obsession with Minecraft, and thus gaming as a whole for some reason, because she never played with Lego as a kid).