Do you feel sorry for non gamers?

[mad_mick]

non gamers will never understand why we do what we do, why we 'waste' hours of our lives sitting in front of tv screens and computer moniters. video games are an interactive book, where you delve into a fun, exciting new world and have a really good time doing so. gaming isnt a hobby, its a way of life! My first video game ever was robot wars on the playstation 1, been at it ever since!

 

[mad_mick]

Games don't have that much to offer. Compare it to movies for example. The only games that one would say have to be played are . . . portal maybe?

Yeah, you are right. Movies have so much to offer!! Character Arcs, well structured narrative, good pacing and everything that makes a good movie that its worth every millons of dolla........

Oh...wait

Uhm....Ok, bad example. i suppose that literature is having a great time showing off to the movies and games how a good story is don........

Am i the only person who enjoyed children of men??
...................

Why are we defending those again?

Its official. Games are the last bastion of creativity of the XXI century. Everything else its just a putrid creation to satisfy a wall

Sorry bro

Games have potential to tell amazing stories, but for now only some of them tell good stories.

Am i the only person who enjoyed children of men??

 

[Serving UpSmiles]

You are complaining for Uncharted only? -_-

Easy target.

Its official. Games are the last bastion of creativity of the XXI century. Everything else its just a putrid creation to satisfy a wall

Tell me that was a joke.

I tried getting her to play Halo with me once, I'm pretty sure she managed to crash her Spartan. For her, I feel sorry that she'll never get the chance to experiance the great games (if you can't pilot the Master Chief, imagine what a mindfuck Portal would be!).

It never occurred to you that you tried to make her run before she could walk?

No because the film industry has been around since 1895 and all the remakes/reimagining/sequels since 2000 are the majority of all what Hollywood shat out and already exceed every single good movie or high art film ever made PERIOD. (the remake to exploit brand recognition that has been around since forever has been explained by Mr Plinket in his Star Trek 2009 review)

You are so full of shit. There have always been bad movies. We just forgot about them because they sucked. You actually believe that in a 10-year period, there are more shitty Hollywood remakes than there were good movies in all of history? You seriously fucking believe that?

Here's my challenge to you: name every bad remake you can think of in the last 10 years and I will name 2 good movies from any point in time.

For games at least only COD and MW3 are the black sheep that we can easily dismiss because video games exist since Atari times (at best 30+ years compared to 100+ of Hollywood) and i can forgive that the people making video games still havent realized that this isnt the place for the bullshit that the film industry does. There isnt just enough COD or MW3 to ruin everything yet because Its just a matter of perception, the fact that people talk about those games doesnt change anything because in the long run they will run out of things to said.

Translation: "I can't be fucked to do any real research, so here's an excuse instead."

Don't be a dick to people, they're all valid points, and challenging their opinions with nonsense about how they give them to you is unnecessary.

After all this is.

Spoiler

the escapist

 

[DioWallachia]

Sorry bro

Games have potential to tell amazing stories, but for now only some of them tell good stories.

Why did you choose those 2 examples? District 9 at least i know that tried waaaay too hard on a subject that has been already touched upon, the other one didnt see it all i know is that its an adaptation of a book.

How is that any different from the people who tried the same but failed as well on the gaming medium? What did exactly those 2 examples did? Its isnt just because they wont Oscars right? Or that those 2 are, from a technical standpoint, movies that the people at the Oscars normally dont give 2 fucks about because it isnt about WW2 or about Class or about anything that any Oscar Bait director could try on them but instead they are about Science Fiction, a genre that only now has started to receive acceptance from the old farts? That could be an achievement from a certain point of view, but what about already existing Sci Fi movies that the old fart didnt even ATTEMPT to see? wont those movies deserve some recognition if they were good?

That is one of the many problems of why the movie industry (in my biased opinion at least ) is the LAST place i will like to see a good story receive praise, because its more biased than than EVER and i feel that the old farts are just throwing a bone to the Sci-Fi lovers as a mean to shut them up rather than just admiting that they are really good.

 

[DioWallachia]

You've just used that button in one of the most creative ways imaginable. Congratulations.

OT: I don't think I know someone who doesn't play any video games. Keep in mind, I'm counting casual stuff like Angry Birds and Words with Friends, as well. Everyone in my life has at least had a small sampling of the gaming medium. Granted, I'm trying to steer some people toward a more active gaming lifestyle (my girlfriend, for example, whom I've introduced to Portal and Minecraft, and is now interested in Half-Life and Team Fortress 2), but of course, I know I'll fail sometimes (my mother will never understand my obsession with Minecraft, and thus gaming as a whole for some reason, because she never played with Lego as a kid).

First time i saw Charles "The Man" Kane in The Escapist

Don't be a dick to people, they're all valid points, and challenging their opinions with nonsense about how they give them to you is unnecessary.

After all this is.

Spoiler

the escapist

I would still like a good explanation of why i sucked at explaining.

 

[josemlopes]

Sorry bro

Games have potential to tell amazing stories, but for now only some of them tell good stories.

Why did you choose those 2 examples? District 9 at least i know that tried waaaay too hard on a subject that has been already touched upon, the other one didnt see it all i know is that its an adaptation of a book.

How is that any different from the people who tried the same but failed as well on the gaming medium? What did exactly those 2 examples did? Its isnt just because they wont Oscars right? Or that those 2 are, from a technical standpoint, movies that the people at the Oscars normally dont give 2 fucks about because it isnt about WW2 or about Class or about anything that any Oscar Bait director could try on them but instead they are about Science Fiction, a genre that only now has started to receive acceptance from the old farts? That could be an achievement from a certain point of view, but what about already existing Sci Fi movies that the old fart didnt even ATTEMPT to see? wont those movies deserve some recognition if they were good?

That is one of the many problems of why the movie industry (in my biased opinion at least ) is the LAST place i will like to see a good story receive praise, because its more biased than than EVER and i feel that the old farts are just throwing a bone to the Sci-Fi lovers as a mean to shut them up rather than just admiting that they are really good.

I chose those 2 because they are movies that I saw and caused a bigger effect in me then any game ever did. That is all

 

[TheLastSamurai14]

First time i saw Charles "The Man" Kane in The Escapist

The first time, really? I see you haven't been here long. Well, you better get used to that image. It's one of the more popular ones on these forums.

 

[Optiluiz]

I try to get some of them into games. Stuff like Silent Hill 2 and the Metal Gear Solid series, with good stories that you can't really find anywhere else. The most I've been able to do is to get some friends of mine to play God Of War and American Mc'Gee's Alice. I guess that's a start.

 

[blackcherry]

The title and opening post is pretty condescending. Those poor non gamers, we need to educate them so their lives can be soooo much better when they are like us. That last sentence? That was what this entire thread has been.

People have different interests. They don't need belittling or 'saving' because they don't share yours.

 

[TakeshiLive]

I don't feel bad for non gamers. As long as they don't think "OMG, He's a gamer, what a no-life," before actually getting to know me is okay by me. I've had that because I casually beat some friends at Halo (who weren't gamers but have never played against one before) and they thought I practiced 24/7.

My parents think gaming's just a stage in my life I will soon abandon. HAH! Who wants a LAN party at my retirement home?

 

[Manji187]

Interesting reversal there, OP.

But seriously, no. I have never felt sorry for someone NOT playing videogames. I'm sure every person does what they feel is most worthwhile for them.

Strange, now that I think about it, I have pitied people for not reading books.

I guess I feel that one truly misses out when one does not read books, whereas to me this is not the case with games.

 

[DioWallachia]

I chose those 2 because they are movies that I saw and caused a bigger effect in me then any game ever did. That is all

You should see Downfall (2004) then

Too bad that i dont know what games you have played actually

 

[NathLines]

I am. I mean, at least for those who don't know that games are a viable medium for telling stories. Who the hell in their right mind would just ignore a medium? I can totally understand games not being someone's thing though, that's just natural.

 

[DioWallachia]

*snip*

Could you give a total list of ALL the games he played? preferably in order.

I can certainly try:

Ocarina of Time
Various Grand Theft Autos - from Vice City, up to 4, back down to buying 3 on his iPhone a few months ago
A football (that's soccer if you're American) game on the PS1, loved by my family because one of the combo buttons was to full-on boot your opponent in the face
Crazy Taxi on our old PS2 (this one, now I think about it, he could play for hours)
House of the Dead III (again, our home copy, we don't go to arcades much. I did have the lightguns though! )
Halo 1 & 2 (both co-op playing through the full campaign, along with many hours of splitscreen/networked multipayer, no online)
Sim City 3000 (we managed to play this against each other: start at one date, you have until another date to make as much money as possible. It's really fun!)
Counter-Strike: Source (for about an hour, offline, VS me. I think he got one kill... we have rather different natural skill levels)
Command and Conquer: Generals - Zero Hour
Dawn Of War: Dark Crusade, replaced by Soulstorm when it was released
Guitar Hero (or at least that type of game)
Neverwinter Nights 1 (again playing co-operativly with me, he enjoyed it but we never completed it - I was home for the holidays - and he never played it solo when I left)
Minecraft

That's all I can remember... I'm sure there are more and the order may not be perfect, but the importent ones are in there and it's mostly chronological.

In the meantime while i take a look at this list, why dont you ask your brother if he is looking for something specific?? What kind of game does he want to play? up to every detail.

 

[Cheesus333]

I don't 'feel sorry' for them, no. I'm sure they have their own perfectly valid ways of entertaining themselves and spending their time and money, etc.

I mean, I can't actually imagine what those ways are, but it's none of my concern so to each their own.

I feel sorry for non-gamers. We're in here, getting emotionally invested in clouds of 1s and 0s, while they're out there, having sex with women.

I never got this. That is, the idea that if you're not on the internet or reading a book or engaged in whatever other typically introverted activity, you must be having sex instead. Why not driving a car, or waiting in a queue or any of the other billions upon billions of possible things people do all the time?

 

[Woodsey]

No, because game stories very, very rarely surpass (or match) films or novels that are highly lauded.

Also: still cringing at the Liara comment.

 

[DioWallachia]

The title and opening post is pretty condescending. Those poor non gamers, we need to educate them so their lives can be soooo much better when they are like us. That last sentence? That was what this entire thread has been.

People have different interests. They don't need belittling or 'saving' because they don't share yours.

Sigh.........where is our Judge Frollo when you need him to burn the non-gamers?

 

[Jak23]

A little, I wish they could experience the amazing stories and experiences I have, but some people just don't like gaming(or the suck at it XD), and I respect that. I just wish they would do the same for us...

 

[Guffe]

No I don't
If they don't want to play and can enjoy other stuff then let them.
I also miss out on millions of things that could be fun.

 

[DioWallachia]

No, because game stories very, very rarely surpass films or novels (that are highly lauded).

Also: still cringing at the Liara comment.

Maybe they are highly lauded because they believe its the only way people will actually care about books again. Sort of in the same way that everyone knows that Citizen Kane its the best movie ever even if it flopped at the box office, only by having the critics claiming over and over over the years people actually gave 2 fucks about it once again.