Do You Hate People Who Disagrees With You?
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I don't hate them, I pity those poor, wrong people.
Really, I am sometimes flabbergasted by some people's opinions but I wouldn't say I hate those people. Some of the stupider opinions may get on my nerves but I try never to personally attack someone because of their opinions.
You know how you can't discuss religion or politics around the family dinner table in a lot of families, especially if the extended family is there, because people get real huffy about it? Well that is what it is like on the Internet for EVERYTHING. What color of iPhone to get, getting an iPhone at all versus an Android phone or god forbid a Windows phone. Consoles versus PC, consoles versus other consoles, this TV show versus that TV show.
Its getting so you have to take up drinking to get through your average forum thread. Just like Thanksgiving!
Really, I am sometimes flabbergasted by some people's opinions but I wouldn't say I hate those people. Some of the stupider opinions may get on my nerves but I try never to personally attack someone because of their opinions.
You know how you can't discuss religion or politics around the family dinner table in a lot of families, especially if the extended family is there, because people get real huffy about it? Well that is what it is like on the Internet for EVERYTHING. What color of iPhone to get, getting an iPhone at all versus an Android phone or god forbid a Windows phone. Consoles versus PC, consoles versus other consoles, this TV show versus that TV show.
Its getting so you have to take up drinking to get through your average forum thread. Just like Thanksgiving!
Depends. It's certainly not okay as a general policy. But in particular cases... let's just say that if they disagree on particular things, that may reflect very badly on their character. Which in turn might make me hate them. So it's not so much the disagreeing part, it's what they do agree or disagree with that may lead me to hate them.
I try to be more open minded than most. I'll even go so far as to hear out the opinions and beliefs of racists and sexists or other typically reviled viewpoints rather than simply outright dismiss them based on some flawed belief that by doing so, I'm somehow proving my being a morale individual. Simply saying something is wrong isn't good enough for me. I need to see the arguments for both sides and I am not afraid to concede that sometimes those whom I don't agree with do have the occasional good point to bring up. Dismissing those points does nothing to change minds. If you do not address those points, you only concede them in the minds of your opposition.
It is why I despise PC thinking. It is just a blanket dismissal of other viewpoints without addressing them. As though by a show of sheer contempt, your going to shame those who do not think the same into falling in line. It is cowardly, manipulative, and unworthy of a supposedly morale position. If there is a moral argument to be made, then make it. Don't just say its wrong. An eye roll is not a rebuttal any more than quoting the bible to people that do not draw faith from it is. I have more respect for devil's advocates than I do people that regurgitate PC dismissal's.
In closing I do not generally hate those that disagree with me, as long as they have some reason behind it. I respect that. I only get annoyed when it's obvious they themselves have never really given the topic any critical thought, yet feel the need to input some script they didn't write into the conversation. If your a racial supremacist, then you should have entertained the idea that maybe your race is inferior. If your a sexist, you should consider that maybe your gender is 2nd rate. If your religious, consider the consequences of being wrong and wasting so much of your life or burning in hell for all eternity. If someone has entertained the possibility of being wrong and yet still believes in what they stand for, I may not agree, but ill respect that. If your going to regurgitate what your expected to say, then go back to the kiddie table so the adults can talk.
It is why I despise PC thinking. It is just a blanket dismissal of other viewpoints without addressing them. As though by a show of sheer contempt, your going to shame those who do not think the same into falling in line. It is cowardly, manipulative, and unworthy of a supposedly morale position. If there is a moral argument to be made, then make it. Don't just say its wrong. An eye roll is not a rebuttal any more than quoting the bible to people that do not draw faith from it is. I have more respect for devil's advocates than I do people that regurgitate PC dismissal's.
In closing I do not generally hate those that disagree with me, as long as they have some reason behind it. I respect that. I only get annoyed when it's obvious they themselves have never really given the topic any critical thought, yet feel the need to input some script they didn't write into the conversation. If your a racial supremacist, then you should have entertained the idea that maybe your race is inferior. If your a sexist, you should consider that maybe your gender is 2nd rate. If your religious, consider the consequences of being wrong and wasting so much of your life or burning in hell for all eternity. If someone has entertained the possibility of being wrong and yet still believes in what they stand for, I may not agree, but ill respect that. If your going to regurgitate what your expected to say, then go back to the kiddie table so the adults can talk.
Only if they're being a dick about it...
Especially when people don't know how to play the "is this an opinion?" game we all played in reading and grammar class. Even then though, "hate" is a bit strong. More like "I wish this person wasn't annoying". Otherwise I don't care so long as the discussion is tame and I can discuss the merits of thing A vs thing B
Especially when people don't know how to play the "is this an opinion?" game we all played in reading and grammar class. Even then though, "hate" is a bit strong. More like "I wish this person wasn't annoying". Otherwise I don't care so long as the discussion is tame and I can discuss the merits of thing A vs thing B
I like your post. I thought it should be re-posted.Aramis Night said:
I am getting disturbed by all the posts saying, "It's alright to hate another person when say they hate a group of people." It's really ironic when someone is prejudice against bigots. What worse is that attitude is what causing conversations about sexism and racism to break down into petty name-calling.
No, I would never hate someone because they disagreed with me. Even on serious issues, it is never a good thing to hate someone on the opposite side as you. There are no positives outcomes from hate, it just breeds more negativity which the world already has more then enough of.
I also think people throw the world hate around far to easily and without fully appreciating it's meaning. A lot of people have no problem being hateful, on the internet especially, in a discussion. It's even worse when people hate another person or their viewpoint when it's over a trivial subject.
Also for the op's quote about hating someone for what they say no who they are, I disagree with whomever made that statement. People are made up of what the believe and they express that in an argument. So to hate someone for disagreeing with you is not hating them for what they do/say, you are in fact hating another person. I know some people say they only hate people who are being morons, or trolling. In my opinion those people are either not saying 'hate' in they way the word is meant, or worse, they really do hate those people, which sadly makes them the same sort of people as they are hating.
So no, hate is bad, very bad. There are certainly viewpoints I strongly dislike, but I would not say I hate anyone who prescribes to them. After all, if I hate someone who disagrees with me, then how can I expect them not to hate me? And if both sides hate each other then is no chance for them to ever agree or reach a compromise.
I also think people throw the world hate around far to easily and without fully appreciating it's meaning. A lot of people have no problem being hateful, on the internet especially, in a discussion. It's even worse when people hate another person or their viewpoint when it's over a trivial subject.
Also for the op's quote about hating someone for what they say no who they are, I disagree with whomever made that statement. People are made up of what the believe and they express that in an argument. So to hate someone for disagreeing with you is not hating them for what they do/say, you are in fact hating another person. I know some people say they only hate people who are being morons, or trolling. In my opinion those people are either not saying 'hate' in they way the word is meant, or worse, they really do hate those people, which sadly makes them the same sort of people as they are hating.
So no, hate is bad, very bad. There are certainly viewpoints I strongly dislike, but I would not say I hate anyone who prescribes to them. After all, if I hate someone who disagrees with me, then how can I expect them not to hate me? And if both sides hate each other then is no chance for them to ever agree or reach a compromise.
Thank you for the Bump. I have also noticed the same pattern here as well as other forum's of how a lot of controversial topics break down. Just for the sake of an example, its very similar to the way most Christian's tend to view anyone reading the satanic bible. If your seen reading it, it's already assumed that your a Satanist, even when all your doing is investigating Satanism for yourself. It makes as much sense as believing that reading the bible makes you a Christian automatically which most Christians acknowledge isn't the end all be all of Christianity. It's absurd but so many people have such a line of thinking and they never really question it.KissingSunlight said:
(Not trying to pick on Christians at all here, just was the best example I could think of atm.)
Hate is a pretty strong word. No, I hate a person just because they disagree with you. I only start really "hating" someone once that person has done something to me and mine - just feeling-wise. Obviously I can despise someone, but unless I haven't seen their face and they haven't done something directly to me or someone I hold dear, I never have that pure, unadulterated HATE.
Only when they have no back up. I once wrote that the PS4 is simple and non offensive because Sony was in debt and they cant risk a fail. The person insulted me and said Sony were rich etc. An i gave them links that proved that Sony was still in debt and they were silent. Even now Sony is saying if PS4 fails they will quit (hopefully) just the hard ware business.
Sometimes i comment and dont have all the facts. Thats fine, if a person treats me respectfully and tells me what the facts are without insulting me. Im fine with that, if im wrong then i dont mind learning from some that knows what they are talking about.
Sometimes i comment and dont have all the facts. Thats fine, if a person treats me respectfully and tells me what the facts are without insulting me. Im fine with that, if im wrong then i dont mind learning from some that knows what they are talking about.
I think you're mis-understanding something. Disliking people for disagreeing with you is very different from disliking people for the opinions they hold. That's the missing step. People disliking others for their opinions is common place. Atheism, Christianism, Jewdaism, pro-life, pro-choice . . . the list goes on. Disliking someone for disagreeing with you is generally frowned upon, yet disliking or even attacking people for holding "indefensible" opinions is not only common-place, it's often lauded by a community.KissingSunlight said:
It really is case by case. Some disagreements, well, most, nearly all aren't worth it. Generally, they stay neutral with me, strangers that disagree.
I'd rather have something more solid to hate someone for. More what they present than them disagreeing. If someone's nothing but butt to me, I'll see'em as an ass.
Of course if the disagreeing person is hateful, spiteful, belligerent, oppressive, intolerant, or some such, I can certainly feel disgust, loathing, no desire to talk with them further, dissapointment, annoyance, and such negative, but temporary feelings.
Lets not forget willfully ignorant, blind, and/or stupid to foster such genative perspectives of a person.
People who are intolerant, bigoted, and such, I try to tolerate them, but they certainly can't ask me to. Rspecially if they're sexist, or racist, or anto LGBT. PoVs like those will dredge up negativity, obviously. I certainly won't like these people.
This makes gender issues in games something of a sticky situation sometimes. Even with the often reasonable people of the Escapist.
I'd rather have something more solid to hate someone for. More what they present than them disagreeing. If someone's nothing but butt to me, I'll see'em as an ass.
Of course if the disagreeing person is hateful, spiteful, belligerent, oppressive, intolerant, or some such, I can certainly feel disgust, loathing, no desire to talk with them further, dissapointment, annoyance, and such negative, but temporary feelings.
Lets not forget willfully ignorant, blind, and/or stupid to foster such genative perspectives of a person.
People who are intolerant, bigoted, and such, I try to tolerate them, but they certainly can't ask me to. Rspecially if they're sexist, or racist, or anto LGBT. PoVs like those will dredge up negativity, obviously. I certainly won't like these people.
This makes gender issues in games something of a sticky situation sometimes. Even with the often reasonable people of the Escapist.
Yes. I hate them. Those ignoramuses that have the sheer unmitigated gall to disagree with me.
How dare they.
Of course I hate those other fuckers too, those toadying sycophants that agree with me.
The creepy lickarses.
Everyone else is ok.
How dare they.
Of course I hate those other fuckers too, those toadying sycophants that agree with me.
The creepy lickarses.
Everyone else is ok.
I didn't read the thread, so someone (I hope) has said this already, but this is non-sensical reasoning. First they distinguish between persons and actions, then somehow hating the action entails hating the person? No sense...KissingSunlight said:
Agreed, though it's nearly as much a problem offline as online.
Of course not. The correct response here is 'I may or may not 'hate' others (more like 'be frustrated with' others) who disagree with me, but it is not *because* they disagree with me that I 'hate' them. That would just be completely self-indulgent to a degree that only the most spoiled children (or ruthless tyrants) might be capable of, and even that is questionable.
I think the biggest problem you might have,KissingSunlight said:
this the notion hatred is inherently a bad thing.
We go to movies to hate characters,
we watch tv for the same reason,
books, more of the same.
You shouldn't close yourself up to one opinion. What if you simply put like having a rival? I can hate and respect someone.
those are my favorite kind.