DoA Dev Says Jiggle Physics Are Part of Japanese Culture
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Exactly so please tell me why they have to bounce around.D Moness said:
I know that they didn't write the script but they had to have had input into it. So tbh I think I will believe that this bunch of sexists had something to do with one of the oldest female video characters brought low.
Then you're wrong. The last playable character I was attracted to? I'm not even sure a character like that exists for me.Moonlight Butterfly said:
Moonlight Butterfly said:
???what??? that proves nothing.
And yeah actually I still dont have an answer for ya luv? qubert? lmao
um lets break it down then
men and women being used as fighters that are also sexy. that is sexualization. only a prude would have a problem with this.
men fighting while the girl is only there to be saved. objectification.
THe women are FIGHTERS as well as the MEN and neither have a particularly good backstory or characterization so try again.
I may need to quit these threads its bad when you argue on behalf of games instead of playing them.
edit: read that wrong. um lightning from ffxiii and chloe from uncharted 2.
Has team ninja ever made a good female character? All of their "jiggle girls" from DoA have no depth beyond justification for wearing their outfits and I think we all remember that time they tried to make that game starring a bounty hunter in space.
If they didn't have their shamelessly clad women they might actually be forced into making a decent character instead.
If they didn't have their shamelessly clad women they might actually be forced into making a decent character instead.
At the first i have no answer.Moonlight Butterfly said:
as to the second. Seeing as the studio that did the fmv's only got to work together with team ninja to see if the artwork was the same a year after the project started. Yoshio Sakamoto even told the VA's (Samus VA) to sound the way she sounds. I think you are overestimating the influence team ninja had on the story. Seeing the story was mostly told with the fmv's and not the gameplay moments.
From what I've read, it's solely anger over making women attractive in fiction without balance of throwing in worn down middle aged plump housewives, which I don't think would be effective in a fighting game.Dexter111 said:
And that's really all it is, they're sexually attractive characters and that's a bad thing. This anger over attractiveness has had a lot of different names and phrases trying to explain it over the years, but recently it's condensed into: "It makes gamers (men) expect women to be booth babes 24/7 and treat them as sex objects in the real world".
You know, because we're so dumb, we get our views on gender and social cues from fighting games with pretty, large breasted women in them. Like how video games make gamers into murderers.
Can't see what all the fuss is about. He surely understands Japanese culture a lot better than I do.
>implying people can't have personal opinions
In fact I've seen dem huge tittaies in Japanese pron actresses. That means that there's at least a significant amount of people demanding that content.
I look at my culture and say "Yeah, no wonder other people think we're fucked up". There must be Japanese people that think "Boy, we probably shouldn't practice suicide as a national sport".
However, I admit that I have no basis to criticize how other cultures work. I think that the choices are:
- Allow Japanese culture to evolve on it's own
- Replace everything with American culture.
I say "Let the Japanese enjoy their videogame tittaies". It's not a question of tradition, cultures change very rapidly.
>implying there aren't people who actually have themBoudica said:
>implying people can't have personal opinions
In fact I've seen dem huge tittaies in Japanese pron actresses. That means that there's at least a significant amount of people demanding that content.
The problem is, we are nobody to say that other cultures are horrible.Boudica said:
I look at my culture and say "Yeah, no wonder other people think we're fucked up". There must be Japanese people that think "Boy, we probably shouldn't practice suicide as a national sport".
However, I admit that I have no basis to criticize how other cultures work. I think that the choices are:
- Allow Japanese culture to evolve on it's own
- Replace everything with American culture.
I say "Let the Japanese enjoy their videogame tittaies". It's not a question of tradition, cultures change very rapidly.
I did some... huh... "research" in JAV and there are Japanese models with gigantic breasts.Rigs83 said:
To be fair, that is completely beside her point which was that "video games never sexualize men". There is plenty of sexism against both genders in various media, but games really don't do that, not that I remember any past or recent cases apart from the one I mentioned earlier.Nurb said:
Couple things.
1) Cultural sensibilities can be bad. Hell, I am American, and you know what? The idea of, "American Exceptionalism", taken to the extreme it is in my country, is a, "Part of my culture", and appeals to, "American sensibilities". It is still fucked up. I don't want to pretend like I'm an expert of Japanese culture, but from where im sitting, one of the problems that seems to be common over there is entrenched sexism. If you want to defend your sensibilities, fine, but, "It's our culture" isn't an argument, its a cop out.
2) On the other and, the problem with sexualized characters in games is not when girls are sexualized. Its when ALL girls are sexualized because that's just what you do. An industry where most female characters are like Alyx Vance and Jade, action reporter could easily have a DOA come along peddling shameless psuedo-porn and it would be no problem whatsoever. And of all the companies I feel could fill the niche of supplying the world of video games with an acceptable amount of Psuedo-porn, Team Ninja seems like the most reasonable choice. Now they need to admit that what they are doing is making psuedo-porn but hey, deep inside, we already know, and wheres the harm? As long as other developers that want to make games that don't use sex appeal as a crutch changing their approach to character design, you are golden. In fact, you will be better off, because you will no longer have competition that you feel you need to constantly one-up.
3) Speaking of shameless sex appeal, Team Ninja, take a little advice; Your idea of attractive is getting seriously screwed up. You are moving right past idealized appearance, firmly into self-parody, and are on the fast track to silent hill levels of disturbing. Breasts on some of your characters are no longer very large and luscious breasts, they are grotesque bags of gelatinous flesh where breasts should be, and it is not attractive to anyone outside of 13 year old boys with no taste except a vague idea the bigger is supposed to be better. Chill out on the breast obsession a little, and they will become much more enjoyable.
1) Cultural sensibilities can be bad. Hell, I am American, and you know what? The idea of, "American Exceptionalism", taken to the extreme it is in my country, is a, "Part of my culture", and appeals to, "American sensibilities". It is still fucked up. I don't want to pretend like I'm an expert of Japanese culture, but from where im sitting, one of the problems that seems to be common over there is entrenched sexism. If you want to defend your sensibilities, fine, but, "It's our culture" isn't an argument, its a cop out.
2) On the other and, the problem with sexualized characters in games is not when girls are sexualized. Its when ALL girls are sexualized because that's just what you do. An industry where most female characters are like Alyx Vance and Jade, action reporter could easily have a DOA come along peddling shameless psuedo-porn and it would be no problem whatsoever. And of all the companies I feel could fill the niche of supplying the world of video games with an acceptable amount of Psuedo-porn, Team Ninja seems like the most reasonable choice. Now they need to admit that what they are doing is making psuedo-porn but hey, deep inside, we already know, and wheres the harm? As long as other developers that want to make games that don't use sex appeal as a crutch changing their approach to character design, you are golden. In fact, you will be better off, because you will no longer have competition that you feel you need to constantly one-up.
3) Speaking of shameless sex appeal, Team Ninja, take a little advice; Your idea of attractive is getting seriously screwed up. You are moving right past idealized appearance, firmly into self-parody, and are on the fast track to silent hill levels of disturbing. Breasts on some of your characters are no longer very large and luscious breasts, they are grotesque bags of gelatinous flesh where breasts should be, and it is not attractive to anyone outside of 13 year old boys with no taste except a vague idea the bigger is supposed to be better. Chill out on the breast obsession a little, and they will become much more enjoyable.
Just have to quote this because it's something I found myself thinking as well pretty much all day since I first read this article. There are so many cultures in the world and it's a rather myopic view to ever view your own culture as right or, more pointedly, another culture as wrong. That doesn't mean you have to agree with it, and it doesn't mean you can't believe one culture does something "better" than another does, but believing it's out and out wrong is a rather dangerous step.ElPatron said:
In this day and age we can partake of media from almots anywhere in the world. Everyone and every culture has a voice. It seems poor form, to say the least, to expect the view points of every culture and every individual to mirror your own especially when, by and large, that culture seems to be doing fine on it's own.