8-Bit_Jack said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
So I finished Season 4, and just watched Episode 1 of Season 5.
I'm not one for the "They changed it, so it sucks" argument but Jesus fucking Christ. So much change, it's like they rebooted the entire series. New Doctor, new tarted up companion, new TARDIS, new sonic fucking screw driver? Did everything from the first 4 seasons have to be kicked to the curb?
Yes
Maybe I didn't mind the transition from the 9th to the 10th, because when 9 goes he leaves at relative peace with what's he's accomplished. He's in a coma when he comes back and his regeneration is treated as such a big deal, and he comes back and it's a natural arch for the character. He went from being angsty and rage-filled back to being lighthearted and filled with compassion. It felt like the character grew in that short amount of time, but still maintaining some elements of 9 ("No second chances, I'm that kind of a man.")
Ah, the moment of promise before all hope was dashed
But when 10 dies.... It's ssssoooooooooooooo fucking heartbreaking. He reacts so human, he doesn't want to die!
And it's disgusting. That wasn't the Doctor crying, that was that awful shitheel Davies, crying that he was losing his show. The End of Time was stupid in concept, and then the ending made it downright reprehensible. He made the Doctor a coward. "I don't wanna go!" Bullshit. He's not fucking going anywhere. He's taking a god damned powernap and waking up with a different fashion sense. The ONLY reason he's so scared and weeping like a little baby is because that's what poor little Russel was doing. He brought the show BACK, that made it HIS, how dare they take it away from him! And then he actively tried to KILL the show. Just so no one else could helm it. He just wanted to take his ball and go home. FUCK that ending
His reaction to Donna's father being trapped in the box is so beautifully tragic, we see his frustration. We see him say his goodbyes. Then he dies.[/quote] he sees an old man who'll be dead in a few years anyway trapped in a glass box that, apart from the set being stupidly designed (look at the gaps in the door, how is that sealed?) the doctor should have been able to open EASILY. It's also a stupid design in the first place, having the "one door's always locked" thing. And, since we see it EMPTY, well, damn, i guess there IS a way to open the door with no one in it. Then, the doctor dies. From radiation. The same radiation he just ATE in his first season. the whole thing is stupid.
Then BAM! Regeneration. "Still not ginger", number 11 moves on with his fucking life with out so much a glance at his past or any of the deep feelings he's had in the past couple of hours.
The first valid complaint. The fact that he does pop up immediately does go against previous depictions of the regeneration. But I don't care, because Matt Smith is so much better than Eccleston or Tenant.
Someone tell me, does it stay like this? Does 11 just exist in his own little bubble world from here on out?
By god, yes it does. Matt Smith brought a return to what Dr Who SHOULD be, not Russel T. Davies and his personal mary sue fanfiction. They acknowledge the old stuff existed, and that's it. It's in the past. There are new adventures to explore. Granted, it's not perfect. Moffat has some problems in the beginning, and the overarching plot can be a titch silly. He wants loves River like Davies loved Rose, and she keeps DOING things, but at least she isn't shoved down our throats.
Moffat saved Dr. Who. Matt Smith is much, much better as the Doctor, Amy and Rory are excellent companions (and Amy's romantic fascination with the Doctor is better, since it stems from childhood, and not from her being a slutty *****. Amy's also called out when she does wrong, unlike Rose), the awful episodes are rare, and the excellent ones are more common.
Just keep watching, get used to Smith, and realize the truth in these statements.
Also, try checking out old Who, to see WHY series fans such as my self have such seething hatred for Davies' treatment of the show.[/quote]
How the hell is Rose in any shape was a slut? Because she leaves Mickey for The Doctor? Oh boo fucking hoo, Mickey was a wimp at the start of the series and walks out of the Tardis box in 4 a fucking man. Christ sake, Captain Jack is the whore of the series if there ever was one. Christ, Pond herself was working as a fucking kiss-a-gram, not the same thing but still.
Yeah they acknowledge the old stuff... Like Flesh and Stone I just watched, they acknowledge it by saying the shit got retconned out of existence. So greeeaaat, I wonder what other stories from the first four I'll find out never actually happened. Gee if the events of Journey's have been re-written thanks to Pond's Crack, did Rose even get her happy ending? Did any of the characters? Or was it all just washed away?
I will get around to watching the orignal episodes, but I want to wait until I'm caught up with the current series and I can watch those while I wait for the new ones to come out. I care very very little for what Doctor Who is "suppose to be", I watched this show on a whim and I enjoyed the fuck out of it. Motherfuck any of the background writers noise, the Doctor is a fucking coward because he didn't want to regenerate? No, sticking with the fucking character he made it pretty clear he liked his current incarnation and didn't want to change. The Regeneration clearly is like a death because one doctor exits and new one enters, same memories but a different man!
And people have brought up, well the Doctor has face certain death before.... well over the course of these four seasons I watched, yeah he did, but not really. Doc's like Batman, even if he's entering a losing scenario you can be damn sure he's still planning, still looking for an exit to win. End of Time, stupid as the premise was (Yeah, I'll give that. Master suddenly has super powers? Time Lords.... Just the time lords), he assumed he was entering a FIXED POINT, that no matter what his fate could not be unwritten... And he agonized over this as well, because he didn't even know what death they meant! For all he knew he could of very well died and not regenerate at all, wouldn't that suck! Mind you, he just the previous episode before tried to undo an event and it backfired horribly on him (The mars episode)
And again, what happens? He wins and he is soooooo fucking relieved. That rooting tooting son of a *****, he found a way to cheat death again!
knock knock knock knock
Nope. He still has to die, and it turns out it wasn't a fixed point at all. He could of walked away, and no one give me that crap that "if he walked away he wouldn't of been The Doctor", yeah to us! The audience, maybe, he would of been a coward but in his comfy little universe there? Nope. Still the Doctor. So now he's realizing this situation, his death, the death he's AGONIZED over for episode after episode, expecting to be forcibly exited in a blaze of glory by some great enemy or some great sacrifice to save the world.
No. He finds out he dies, by choice, to save Wilf.
The character, ignore the writing bullshit because I never gave a damn, The Character 10 is a fucking coward for visibly showing his frustration? He mother fucking made the heroic sacrifice, didn't he? One that under any other normal circumstance he would of just did, but only reacted because he'd been agonizing over it?
And as for the "I don't want to go." Maybe you're right. 9/10 weren't a real Doctor, because those Doctor's just like 10's dying words were freaking human... And I certainly like that a hell of a lot better then 11's quirkyness thus far, I sure as hell can't see this son of ***** feeling gloriously happy that everybody lives. Fucker would just gloat feeling all awesome for saving the world.