However, they are trying to censor what people are saying and doing. Whether they succeed or not censoring the person is irrelevant. People should stop being moral busybodies who try to control what everyone is saying and doing.Thaluikhain said:
Does Being Politically Incorrect Makes You A Bigot?
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You mean like Christianity? They literally have programs designed for that, called Missionaries. (And most watch-dog groups)KissingSunlight said:
I think the progressive side gets alot of hate for supposedly doing this when really alot of it is response to groups doing it out of hate. The ones telling us who we can and cannot marry, or which bathrooms we can use, and all that.
So, it's censorship when someone criticises someone, but not when you criticise them for criticising them?KissingSunlight said:
I feel like it's context.
South Park and The Simpsons can make anti-PC jokes and it'll fly just fine (to a large majority of the population) but when the now-current president makes rape threats towards and about Megan Kelly or shits on retards, border jumpers or blacks (hopefully YOU get the joke) and says "I'm just telling it like it is" or "that was a 'joke'", it isn't funny because it's too real.
Even as a straight white male who votes more right than left (before this election), there is a certain point I can tolerate people in power putting down people under them. It isn't funny to use rape as a threat or punch line when you're (now) the most powerful person in the United States. It IS funny when The Simpsons or South Park uses it, because the context is fictional and is (usually) handled with more of a charm.
South Park and The Simpsons can make anti-PC jokes and it'll fly just fine (to a large majority of the population) but when the now-current president makes rape threats towards and about Megan Kelly or shits on retards, border jumpers or blacks (hopefully YOU get the joke) and says "I'm just telling it like it is" or "that was a 'joke'", it isn't funny because it's too real.
Even as a straight white male who votes more right than left (before this election), there is a certain point I can tolerate people in power putting down people under them. It isn't funny to use rape as a threat or punch line when you're (now) the most powerful person in the United States. It IS funny when The Simpsons or South Park uses it, because the context is fictional and is (usually) handled with more of a charm.
Apparently you have no knowledge of history if you think a hairstyle that people of ALL races have sported since the dawn of humanity could be culturally appropriated by a specific race.Gaymaster Nacelle said:
It's my way of telling people "Don't be a jerk." The big problem I have with people who think they can dictate to others on political correctness. It's that they believe they have the moral high ground to do whatever they want to enforce their beliefs. "No bad tactics. Just bad targets." So, they act intolerant to everyone they disagree with. It's no longer about tolerance and equality. It's about people dictating their political beliefs to other people, and punishing them if they disagree with them.LifeCharacter said:
So 2 wrongs makes you right, huh?Saelune said:
Hey, I am not in charge of opinion police, do whatever you want.
Which is stupid. Most times being 'politically correct' is simply being pleasant, diplomatic, or open -minded enough to at least not pretend your opinion needs to be spewed out over those with primary evidence or that it's not at all productive to simply dislike peope over what ridiculous emotional, social, or cultural baggage you and your parents persist to make a thing in the world.Silentpony said:
And no, that is not some new fangdangled definition of politically correct. That's how it's always been. That you treat people as people with inalienable rights to their self-construction and existence, and you remind yourself that prejudices that inadvertantly turn individuals of some ethnic, LGBTQ, or religious group into some amorphous statement of humanity ultimately has nothing to do with them ... it has everything to do with you.
... or as Becker puts it;
I suggest you watch it all. Because his statements easily pass for anybody pretends tha PC is some Nazi regime, or that being PC is somehow bigoted. Being PC is solely about reminding yourself not making generalizations on gender, or age, or racial expression. That's all it ever meant. It was about recognising that humans are fallible and unless we seek to modify our behaviour, be better people, then we get nowhere and that we default to genuinely unpleasant people to others .... entitled, lazy, and selfish.
Being 'PC' is like making sure you put your trash in the bin, or you don't play music with all your windows open, or you don't smoke on a friend's couch if they hate the smell of tobacco. Evolving rules of cordial coexistence. Nothing more. You certainly don't pretend you're somehow immune to being called an arsehole if you choose to make other people's lives worse for your personal belief how much couches are designed for smoking on.
So much so the term only gained traction when religious conservatives in the 90s pretending people calling them out as arseholes because of their espoused homophobia and transphobia, and other points of 1st grader reasoning with Biblical insanity, was somehow wrong. Which is why you had people in the 90s turn it on those religious conservative whackos who used it as such. Only witless morons have recycled the term yet again to use it as a complaint about people calling them arseholes, committing the same garbage rhetoric as the stuff you're pumping out right now as they did 30 years ago.
We've not merely come full circle, we've had to stop off at the mechanic for standard servicing and inspection to get our pink slip. Apparently we're so attached to it as a vehicle for 'discourse' that being an arsehole isn't necessarily a refutation of a First Amendment thing, but a social thing, that we're going to be taking this puppy for a spin again.
It's not about PC vs. Anti-PC ... it's about the entitled and the retarded complaining about people who don't share the belief others serve as a floormat for people's egos. And there are legitimate criticisms of this, but none of it I have ever heard from anybody who bandied about 'PC' unironically. It's the same shit I heard when I was growing up from bullies thinking religion is immutable, but my sense of self wasn't. Circular logic and childlike tautologies of thought, and anybody that thinks those that stand up to these reductive reasoning bullies are 'PC police' can kiss my ass, too.
The best way to describe 'being PC'? It's about making sure life doesn't turn into a Youtube comments section. Where discourse and discussion is merely transformed into hateful diatribes and ponderous illiteracy of thought and noise.
Well, defending yourself can go very far, don't you think?Saelune said:
I mean maybe I am remembering it wrong, but didn't you say doing something to some supporters for the country? If that is the case of "defending", I'd like to disagree.
To be politically correct is to to be insincere; it is purely the *appearance* of a position for political gain, not genuine empathy or conviction. Typically a politician will say what is helpful to their ratings, which have little to do with their actual beliefs or intentions. Therefore anti-pc is anti-insincerity, anti-spin, anti-bullshit.
But another definition, which seems to be the 'political correctness' as it is railed against in this era, seems purely against the practice of basic courtesy to those who are very different from us and whose lives we may not understand, and to which a reasonable position is to withhold judgement on those who lives are alien to our own until we can say we are truly informed on their circumstances.
That's just thoughtless arseholes wanting to be thoughtless arseholes and resenting the fact that being a thoughtless arsehole is frowned on in any society striving to be ethical, and so they invent some grand struggle of self-expression in an authoritarian world to make them feel like the heroes they really aren't. Fuck those guys.
All arguments should be considered on their merits and definitions depending on the individual and not reflexively dismissed. Perhaps some genuine concerns get pushed aside and that causes resentment so they blame 'political correctness' for that. Many concerns are due to simple misunderstanding, some may have enduring points and should be part of any informed debate.
So really, it depends on what is being said under the guise of being 'politically incorrect'.
But another definition, which seems to be the 'political correctness' as it is railed against in this era, seems purely against the practice of basic courtesy to those who are very different from us and whose lives we may not understand, and to which a reasonable position is to withhold judgement on those who lives are alien to our own until we can say we are truly informed on their circumstances.
That's just thoughtless arseholes wanting to be thoughtless arseholes and resenting the fact that being a thoughtless arsehole is frowned on in any society striving to be ethical, and so they invent some grand struggle of self-expression in an authoritarian world to make them feel like the heroes they really aren't. Fuck those guys.
All arguments should be considered on their merits and definitions depending on the individual and not reflexively dismissed. Perhaps some genuine concerns get pushed aside and that causes resentment so they blame 'political correctness' for that. Many concerns are due to simple misunderstanding, some may have enduring points and should be part of any informed debate.
So really, it depends on what is being said under the guise of being 'politically incorrect'.
Nope. You can be politically incorrect and not be a bigot. I mean I can say ****** all day, but harbor no ill will towards black people. That's actually possible, despite what some may think.
On the other hand, you can be politically correct and be a bigot.
"All African Americans are inferior to white people."
Textbook bigotry, but painted up in politically correct language.
On the other hand, you can be politically correct and be a bigot.
"All African Americans are inferior to white people."
Textbook bigotry, but painted up in politically correct language.
Don't know. I hardly ever say it unless I'm quoting something. I don't know anyone that really uses the word, of any race. It was merely an example. A person can say ****** and not be racist. One easy example, is using the term in discussing the word. Like we have just now.McMarbles said:
No. It makes you really edgy and cool cos ain't no muthafucka gonna hold you down and the ladies really like that and so do the guys too but in a weirder way. FREEDOM! MY. DAMN. FREEDOM! If somebody says its in bad tastes to soil myself publicly, I say fuck you fascist scum! You don't own me!! Then proceed to evacuate the controversial plumbing. That's me...the majestic myopic manatee! Isn't it marvellous to be free? Ain't malignant by my own decree. But freedoms are a muscle that need to be exercised to excuse unempathetic glee! I'm an adult and you can't take that back off me!!
No in fact a lot of bigots have learned to couch their bigotry in politically correct language. We need to stop looking at the specific words people use and start looking at the message they're spreading. This idea that bigots need to stand up and shout "death to faggots" before they can be definitively concluded to be a bigot is the reason so many people refuse to accept that Mike Pence is a homophobic POS who will do everything in his power to hurt the LGBT community.
To paraphrase poorly an example of Patton Oswalt's if you've got one guy saying "Well I believe marriage is about creating a traditional family unit so the government should step in to prevent homosexuals damaging such an important institution. I also feel it's best that same sex couples be prevented from expressing their love publicly in case it encourages children to turn to deviant lifestyles." And another going "Who gives a shit if two faggots want to suck each others dicks or cum in each others asses. It doesn't affect me if two queers or two dykes want to get married or if a tranny wants to use a particular bathroom." The first guy is a bigot, the second is at worst a little ignorant but still on your side, even if he's being politically incorrect. Unfortunately we live in a world where firing Jeremy Clarkson for straight up punching a producer in the face and calling him a lazy Irish wanker is PC gone mad.
To paraphrase poorly an example of Patton Oswalt's if you've got one guy saying "Well I believe marriage is about creating a traditional family unit so the government should step in to prevent homosexuals damaging such an important institution. I also feel it's best that same sex couples be prevented from expressing their love publicly in case it encourages children to turn to deviant lifestyles." And another going "Who gives a shit if two faggots want to suck each others dicks or cum in each others asses. It doesn't affect me if two queers or two dykes want to get married or if a tranny wants to use a particular bathroom." The first guy is a bigot, the second is at worst a little ignorant but still on your side, even if he's being politically incorrect. Unfortunately we live in a world where firing Jeremy Clarkson for straight up punching a producer in the face and calling him a lazy Irish wanker is PC gone mad.
