Does Final Fantasy XIV have a shot against World of Warcraft?

Reaperman64

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WoW is one of these genre defining leviathans... i doubt FF14 could bring it completely down neither will any MMO but it will certainly dent new subs for awhile.

and if FF11 is anything to go by its not going to be a huge dent...
 

Jursa

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FFXIV is going to be on the PS3 with the rumor of also being on the 360, it brings no possible damage to WoW since it's going for a completely approach which doesn't include PCs and it's a final fantasy game... They've never been THAT well received by everyone.
 

loremazd

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Towowo2 said:
Get your facts straight no one asks for perfect gear for every level, Just level appropriate gear.
I saw it, all the time, played it for about 6 months.
 

Julius M

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wunderguy said:
Julius M said:
wunderguy said:
The only way a game like this will beat wow is for it to fix the problems with wow.
What do you think the problems with wow are?
some class balencing issues gear from 25-mans, mainly tier, isnt a mega upgrade from 10-mans. Arena gear being better than raiding gear.
Dual spec.
Achievements like superior and epic
Still slow Gm times.
More things in patched need to be added aimed at the lvling people, rather than end game.
Some 40 mans or world bosses would have been nice in lich king.
Those are not inherent problems with wow, those are just superficial problems which WoW can fix itself. It's not like if FF has them everybody is going to switch.
 

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Not unless it's really really good.
Those two franchises are so completely different and the whole jrpg isn't as worldly appealing so I think wow will stay on top.

Just so you know, I don't plan on taking part in either unless they decide to forego monthly charges. The only monthly bill I accept for my gaming is for my rentals.
 

GBM

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The odds that something will surpass WoW by virtue of being 'better' is not likely at this point since the Blizzard offices are appropriately researching and applying the nature of our brains and our compulsions in a scientific manner to the gameplay. It was the result of their psychological research that resulted in their newly mathematically calculated drop rates and progression times and even the 'shininess' of equippable items. A game that does not run this sort of skinner-box experiement on its players so exactingly measured to maintain the button-pecking treat-dropping environment that so readily addicts people? It will lose out to WoW because WoW is the better drug.
Julius M said:
Someone I know pretty much said it perfectly.
I just look at some of these upper-tier players, and I can't help but think "they can't be having any fun"
Compulsive gamblers who are in every real sense of the word addicted to the act of gambling will often curse and swear and grief themselves over the chore of wasting their time and money. It is 'fun' to them, but not in a way which someone who is not within the same pathological mindset would consider 'fun' upon observation.

It is the same thing for most hardXcore players in WoW. It is 'fun' to them. They will play until they collapse from exhaustion and ***** about the entire experience. It's still the experience they most pathologically crave.

The odds that something will surpass WoW by virtue of being 'better' is not likely at this point since the Blizzard offices are appropriately researching and applying the nature of our brains and our compulsions in a scientific manner to the gameplay. It was the result of their psychological research that resulted in their newly mathematically calculated drop rates and progression times and even the 'shininess' of equippable items. A game that does not run this sort of skinner-box experiement on its players so exactingly measured to maintain the button-pecking treat-dropping environment that so readily addicts people? It will lose out to WoW because WoW is the better drug.

Nothing can be as popular as WoW, really, without aping this. Any new franchise that approaches WoW's popularity will do pretty much the same things with our heads, just with different visuals and canon.
Hey do you have a citation for the bit about the skinner-box? Academic preferably, but whatever you've got.
 

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Beltaine said:
was HORRIBLE to play on a PC because of the control scheme.
I loved the control scheme for FFXI. The control scheme had a slight learning curve to it compared to other games, especially other MMORPGs I had played before then, but there was a bit of magic in being able to play a game entirely with your keyboard, no mouse involved.

oliveira8 said:
FFXI had painfully long boss battles(longest boss battle: 24 hours). And it was also very easy to lose everything in FF11.
That boss fight had a duration added to it, 2 hours I believe. The 24 hours that people took initially was on their own part, and something I seriously doubt SE will allow to happen again. lol As far as being able to lose everything easily ... I can agree with that. High level and end-game crafting in particular could be extremely annoying. Finally kill a boss, only to lose its drop to crafting have failed ... yes, irritating.

I enjoyed my time playing FFXI. The endgame needed more polish, and the Dragoon (DRG) class was horribly underpowered when I played, which is apparently something they've addressed since I left, but it was a unique experience.

Since then, WoW greatly killed my desire to play any game in general, especially those of the MMO variety, which others here have posted as well. However, FFXIV would be one I'd consider playing if enough friends were interested, due to the fact I feel Square did a fairly good job with FFXI, for the time that it was released. That, and they have likely gained enough experience with the industry's wants over time to make FFXIV a very good product, even if not a "WoW Killer".
 

Julius M

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GBM said:
Hey do you have a citation for the bit about the skinner-box? Academic preferably, but whatever you've got.
You mean for the developers researching what makes people play more or the part about the mechanics of wow being sort of like a skinner box?

I'll try to find some, I don't know where exactly I got that quote from anymore. (At least where it is located specifically.) I thought it was known that Wow-developers researched these things for the game.
 

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Hrm, no way this will take down WoW as that has a legendary following. That said if they do come up wih a decent PS3 MMO that works well with the controller AND doesn't cost a ton they I will be interested. I fancy getting into an MMO again but want to join a young community as joining games like WoW as a noob at this late stage is just going to depress me.
 

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How ridiculous.... It's an MMO (we assume)... on consoles. Sure, of course it'll do as well as WoW..

And besides, WoW has 11 million subscribers... FF IV would need an attach rate of half the PS3 owners to top that.
 

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Sorry but WoW has 11 million people or something like that. Taking that down is like trying on the Death Star with a stick and some yogurt. Its not going to happen...
oh I dunno, if you use that stick to smear the Death Star's main computer drive with the yogurt that might mess it up good... :p

(I like taking metaphors way too literally XD)
 

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Onmi said:
No chance in hell. Will it be a financial success for Square? Probably. Will I play it? Probably not what with Uni and over $2000 in games I need to play through before I ADVANCE. (Also no Job)
God I couldn't have put it better myself. So many games...

But either way, it's got no chance.
 

Kruxxor

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People play WoW because there is NO other MMORPG that is as good (or as addictive) as it. Star Wars will probably take some WoW members, but remember, not everyone is a Star Wars fan, same goes for Final Fantasy.

With Final Fantasy XIV being PS3 only it will hinder its sales. You MUST be able to solo your way through the game purely because of the fact that there won't be 11 million people playing it and I will imagine it'll start out exactly like FFXI, practically impossible to find a group of people; Let alone a group of competent people.

FFXIV will be able to hold its own, I believe. By the time it comes out the PS3 would (hopefull) have dropped in price making it more affordable. I hope that PS3 will keep to tradition and not make people pay a monthly fee, although I won't hold my breath for that.
 

elitecrewer

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Ghostwise said:
elitecrewer said:
How ridiculous.... It's an MMO (we assume)... on consoles. Sure, of course it'll do as well as WoW..

And besides, WoW has 11 million subscribers... FF IV would need an attach rate of half the PS3 owners to top that.
Well it will be on PC and more than likely 360 as well...so....yeah.
Really? When Sony stated that it would be exclusive to PS3, I took that as meaning that it would only be on PS3. I suppose you can take your own poetic license to the words 'it will be a PS3 exclusive' if you like.
 

Christemo

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FF XIV´s chances against wow is like putting Achilles vs Zeus. especially since its on consoles. it will be nothing but a mosquito sting to WoW.