Don't hate on FortressCraft just on principle. Please.

[Dielan9999]

Well now there's something that I can actually play. And since I can use a controller with it I'll probably like it a hell of a lot more than any version of it on the PC. Even if I could run it in the first place.

If you use windows you can play with a 360 controler

And It'll run on almost any machine new or old. Plus in the coming updates it will be optimized further so that it will run even better.

 

[RottingAwesome]

Of course MineCraft isn't on consoles, it's not even finished yet...

as Yahtzee so eloquently put it in his Darksiders review

"You may have heard in the grown-up reviews this aspect of Darksiders borrows rather heavily from that one Zelda game... I don't think that's the case though; I think saying "Darksiders borrows heavily" implies they did some actual work of their own. A better phrase would be "completely rips off with about as much shame and emotion as the fucking Borg collective". I appreciate that taking elements from a good game that worked well, and playing around with them in new scenarios isn't a bad way to design games, but when youhttp://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.267488-Dont-hate-on-FortressCraft-just-on-principle-Please have a boomerang that can hit multiple targets, a grappling hook that pulls you on to climb-able walls, and a puzzle dungeon themed around reflecting a beam of light with movable mirrors, we've moved from simple "homage" to the territory of respraying a stolen car and reselling it to the owner."

It seems to be the same thing with FortressCraft here.
In the case of Infiniminer and MineCraft, development on Infiniminer stopped after a month of its release, Notch began development of MineCraft shortly after.

FortressCraft, however, is releasing a competing game (essentially the same thing as its competitor no less) on a competing platform in an attempt to cash in on the MineCraft craze.

While it might not be against the law to do this, it's pretty slimy and earns no respect from me. Maybe MineCraft would have gone to consoles eventually when it came out of Beta seeing as how other developers (e.g. Valve) have had troubles delivering huge content updates over services such as XBLA

 

[Azaraxzealot]

Because Minecraft wasn't just an Infiniminer clone.

Exactly... it took the central idea of other games and re worked them into new and interesting ways, which isn't a bad way to design games... taking concepts that have worked well before and playing with them to improve the game as a whole... but from everything I've heard for Fortresscraft, it just took Minecraft, gave it better graphics and and away they went... and saying that Fortresscraft was inspired by Minecraft implies that they did some actual work of their own which doesn't seem to be the case... it's more akin top stealing someones car and selling it back to them for 1/3 the price with a new paint job...

Did they do anyhing wrong? only from an artistic standpoint...
Should they be sued? of course not that's stupid...<.<

i'm pretty sure the guy had to program everything himself and didn't just "copy, paste" minecraft's assets. AND he's adding some new features and improving upon the graphics as well as giving it a bit of a story.

i don't think we should be so quick to judge, i'm sure it's hard enough to copy the wheel from scratch without re-inventing it.

 

[Samechiel]

Actually yes... yes it can... if everyone started buying Fortresscraft instead of Minecraft Notch could potentially run out of funding and the project would remain unfinished... plus even if the money doesn't effect it's development then the popularity could potentially ruin the community by lowering the amount of people playing...<.<

Free Market.

You know what that means? It means if you don't put out a superior product, then your competitors will CRUSH YOU.

FORTRESSCRAFT IS A GOOD THING. FortressCraft means that if Notch doesn't get off his ass and improve Minecraft, then he loses money. FortressCraft means that he has to keep adding content and fixing bugs and making the game better. FortressCraft means that everyone who purchased Minecraft will be getting MORE UPDATES, MORE FREQUENTLY.

Competition is what makes a good product, not monopoly.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

they don't like it? go play minecraft and stop complaining about a game you'll never play and will most likely have no impact on your gaming experience.

I think they are more annoyed with the fact that so many people are copying to big idea to make money for themselves without them having to come up with something original to do.

 

[Dielan9999]

Actually yes... yes it can... if everyone started buying Fortresscraft instead of Minecraft Notch could potentially run out of funding and the project would remain unfinished... plus even if the money doesn't effect it's development then the popularity could potentially ruin the community by lowering the amount of people playing...<.<

Free Market.

You know what that means? It means if you don't put out a superior product, then your competitors will CRUSH YOU.

FORTRESSCRAFT IS A GOOD THING. FortressCraft means that if Notch doesn't get off his ass and improve Minecraft, then he loses money. FortressCraft means that he has to keep adding content and fixing bugs and making the game better. FortressCraft means that everyone who purchased Minecraft will be getting MORE UPDATES, MORE FREQUENTLY.

Competition is what makes a good product, not monopoly.

Best post i've read all day.

 

[Azaraxzealot]

they don't like it? go play minecraft and stop complaining about a game you'll never play and will most likely have no impact on your gaming experience.

I think they are more annoyed with the fact that so many people are copying to big idea to make money for themselves without them having to come up with something original to do.

isn't there any game you REALLY liked but it was missing some things in it that you wanted? well, this guy developing FortressCraft isn't content to sit and wait for all the updates to be made that he wants to see, he just makes the game all over and adds the updates himself.

now you have to admit, that's pretty admirable. he's not trying to compete, he's just making the game he wants to play that isn't made yet

 

[legend forge]

I already own Minecraft and will probably get this as it means I can play with friends easier then with MC as is. The way I see it Notch may have popularized a new genre or hybrid genre. A new version was bound to come along, and anyone who wants Minecraft is going to get Minecraft.

They will probobly have enough differences for there to be a benefit to owning both for different reasons (FC for multiplayer MC for single for example).

 

[Veylon]

FortressCraft has its own systems and world and characters and enemies that have nothing to do with Minecraft so it is not a rip-off.

By all means, tell us all about these. I would love any and all details you can provide. All you, or any FC defender needs to say to shut the detractors up is to issue a statement like this:

FortressCraft is very different than Minecraft. It has ______, ______, and especially ______, that Minecraft does not. I very much enjoyed innovations such as _________ and __________, which have revolutionized the genre.

Fill in those blanks. That is the challenge.

 

[seditary]

If Dragon Age is not a rip-off of Dungeons and Dragons, if Medal of Honor is not a rip-off of Call of Duty, if Duke Nukem is not a rip-off of Wolfenstein, then FortressCraft is not a rip-off of Minecraft.

This was just lol.

Dragon Age has its own systems and world and characters and enemies that have nothing to do with D&D so is not a rip-off. Medal of Honor came out before Call of Duty so it is not a rip-off. Duke Nukem has different world, characters, weapons and enemies from Wolfenstein so it is not a rip-off. FortressCraft is the same as Minecraft except for a few extra bits in it?

FortressCraft has its own systems and world and characters and enemies that have nothing to do with Minecraft so it is not a rip-off.

obviously this guy didn't "copy, paste" minecraft and made his own stuff.

Duke Nukem 3d looks strikingly similar to wolfenstein and doom (to the point where you may almost mistake them for each other sometimes) but that's not a rip off to you.

FortressCraft just is strikingly similar to MineCraft. yeah it was a bad move to have a similar name, but obviously this guy worked hard on his game and it will be distinct in its own way

So I see you're going with the willful denial route.

How adorable.

 

[Samechiel]

Notch Defense Force:

Minecraft is very different than Infiniminer. It has ______, ______, and especially ______, that Infiniminer does not. I very much enjoyed innovations such as _________ and __________, which have revolutionized the genre.

Herpy derpy derpity doo.

FortressCraft is happening, folks. No matter how much you scream and shit your pants in defiance, it is happening.

Accept it, and be spared. Deny it, and be trampled underfoot.

 

[creonto]

say im bitching and whining all you want but frankly i hate this game i hate the idea of this game and here is why: it is an exact copy of minecraft. just with uglier "HD" graphics. and before you start talking about all the other clones. i hate them too. if this game were a block based building game based anywhere else but on a grassy hillside i would have a much smaller issue with it but it is like calling the painterly pack for minecraft a new game I.E. STUPID!!!!
There, i said it, hate away.

 

[Moosh50]

I do.

 

[Azaraxzealot]

FortressCraft has its own systems and world and characters and enemies that have nothing to do with Minecraft so it is not a rip-off.

By all means, tell us all about these. I would love any and all details you can provide. All you, or any FC defender needs to say to shut the detractors up is to issue a statement like this:

Fill in those blanks. That is the challenge.

FortressCraft is very different than Minecraft. It has a mob system in which groups of enemies follow you around, a more "survivalist" and "simulator" approach where you HAVE to build a fortress (hence the name "fortresscraft") in order to defend yourself from the mobs and build up the resources within, and especially the fact that you can recruit NPCs to help you, that Minecraft does not. I very much enjoyed innovations such as a more streamlined user interface and simpler gameplay that's more user-friendly, as well as the addition of the use of your own customized avatar (which is your xbox avatar).

satisfied?

 

[Kakashi on crack]

minecraft is not a genre.

You sir, just lost your whole arguement towards me when you said this.

If Minecraft was a sort of genre, then I would care less that fortresscraft was being created. I watched a portion of the video, and lost interest when the guy became condescending. As you are with this post.

Minecraft ISN'T a genre though, it's a game that someone quit their job to create and such. Maybe, if the game wasn't a carbon copy with a few different details, and had a name that WASN'T reminiscent of Minecraft, then sure, but what they are doing is basically taking someone elses game, slapping a similar label to confuse people on it, and calling it their own. I'm not saying its a huge deal, as likely the people who will buy fortresscraft don't play games on a PC, but that doesn't make it any better, even if it only effects, lets say 100 sales.

Legally, whatever, but personally, I feel fortresscraft is more or less stealing, and is the start of a soon-to-come strip mining of the game's whole basis. This will lead to Notch's possibly million-dollar-money-maker becoming a simple game that won't be worth keeping updated. Its been done a million times in the past and is bound to happen again if people DON'T retaliate. If you want to play fortresscraft, fine, but don't complain when in a few years there's about 5, 6 different versions by different companies of the same game.

The difference between minecraft and its predecesor that it was based on, is that minecraft is NOT the same game. It uses a basic concept, and expands in a whole new direction.

Right, rage-fest is over now.


EDIT: Besides, Notch was planning to release it on consol after the complete version was made. The reason he didn't start beforehand was because of the scripting not being compatible.

 

[Samechiel]

While I could care less about FortressCraft, you have proven his point if this is the only way you can respond.

It was crude and ultimately unproductive, I will admit, but in my defense he didn't really have a point. At this stage in development, the FC/Minecraft to Minecraft/Infiniminer parallel is virtually identical.

 

[Valiance]

I guess the guy in this video doesn't realize that Minecraft is being made for the Apple iOS and Android OS.

Whoops.

Oh, and by the way:

Infiniminer: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/images/1/13/Infiniminer.png

And this guy seems to believe that the only people who ever posted a stupid comment on a video are PC gamers on his video talking about "FortressCraft ripping off Minecraft."

 

[Smooth Operator]

watch this video

now, this guy is being very reasonable. people who are getting mad at projector games for releasing a minecraftian game on consoles shouldn't be so pissed.

Reasonable? he makes the whole damn thing into a Console vs PC war, talk about missing the point... by a mile.

 

[the clockmaker]

Notch Defense Force:

Minecraft is very different than Infiniminer. It has ______, ______, and especially ______, that Infiniminer does not. I very much enjoyed innovations such as _________ and __________, which have revolutionized the genre.

Herpy derpy derpity doo.

FortressCraft is happening, folks. No matter how much you scream and shit your pants in defiance, it is happening.

Accept it, and be spared. Deny it, and be trampled underfoot.

I seriously don't care about either game, I don't have either and don't really intend to get either, being too much of a luddite to buy things online, but mate, did minecraft kill your parents or something? I ask this because you sound more like one of the beider-meinhoff gang than a fan of an unrealeased game.

I'm hoping that you are trolling, because to someone who, I say again, couldn't give two shits about either game (although it does look like a rip off to me) this thread looks like this.
-OP
-'I don't really like this, it is too blatant a copy'
-'I understand that, but it will open up a new audiance'
-'I understand that, but it will keep minecraft on its toes'
-'No matter how much you shit your pants, this is happening'

Do you see how one post there is not like the others, because its kind of worrying.

Also, 'be spared' 'trampled underfoot', please tell me that you are mucking about, or that you made fortress craft, or that you have this thread mixed up with one about overblown political speeches you heard once, anything that tells me that you aren't taking this that seriously.

 

[senataur]

I have a few issues with this video, lets run through them quickly:

1) He seems to imply that if you play a console you wont be a PC gamer. I own a 360 and still game on my PC because different systems work better for different things. RTSs etc are just better on a PC whilst I prefer consoles for more precise platforming type games. The "one or the other" type statement bothers me somewhat.

2) He passes off all dissenters as "PC elitists" which is just ridiculous and a spurious generalisation.

3) He claims to call "a spade a spade" but this game really is a bit of a rip off. I won't argue that it is probably a sound business investment but it is still blatantly a rip off.

4) More obscure, he repeats points far too often and tries to defend his standpoint at every turn. I got sick of hearing him apologise to "regular" PC gamers and explain that he was only bashing the "elitists" first time. Second time it was just painful.

5) He plays the tough guy "bring on the hate then elitists" but has taken down the ability to rate the video. Not fully sure why that bothers me but it does.

I should probably add that I don't play Minecraft, the idea never really appealed to me. I'm not really creative enough for that kind of game and generally lack the time for something so lacking in structure. I can see how it could be fun but it's just not for me.

^what this guy said.

It's an almost direct rip off in concept with some graphical 'improvements'. Improvements that clash drastically with existing retro quaint blocky theme of minecraft and imo look awful.

I'm not sure how international copyright laws play out and I kind of get the idea that Notch wouldnt be the kind to sue but if Minecraft had been developed by a studio owned by EA, Activision or any other larger company then this mob would be swimming in cease and desist notices.

Did anyone every play Crossbows and Catapaults as a kid. It was a plastics blocks game where you could build a little fortress and then took turns hurling projectiles with the aforementioned weapons and see who could build the best fort and who could knock the other down. When I saw the name of this I was hoping someone had ported that idea to a Minecraft game. Alas not, it's a cheesy blatant rip off trying to muscle in on Notch's success.

And while I'm at it. The reason PC gamers get shirty at their games being ported to consoles is because the input scheme's and even the games themselves are often dumbed down in order to be easily ported to both platforms.

O, and nice avatar btw webby