Don't hate on FortressCraft just on principle. Please.

[Veylon]

FortressCraft is very different than Minecraft. It has a mob system in which groups of enemies follow you around, a more "survivalist" and "simulator" approach where you HAVE to build a fortress (hence the name "fortresscraft") in order to defend yourself from the mobs and build up the resources within, and especially the fact that you can recruit NPCs to help you, that Minecraft does not. I very much enjoyed innovations such as a more streamlined user interface and simpler gameplay that's more user-friendly, as well as the addition of the use of your own customized avatar (which is your xbox avatar).

satisfied?

A few nitpicks aside, yeah. This is all I needed. Thank you.

 

[webby]

Since you're about the fifth person to flip the fuck out about that comment, I should probably mention that a) I was making fun of that guy's completely biased and illogical argument -notice how I just copied what he wrote and changed a few things? and b) you people are so goddamn easy. It's pathetic. Someone even mentions FortressCraft and you come flying out of the shrubbery like crazy people.

It is your butthurt that feeds me, gentlemen. It is your rabid fanboyism that gives me power. Your intense and illogical hatred of something that even Notch himself welcomes. This is why you are card-carrying members of the Notch Defense Force, and this alone. Now give me your stength, that I may achieve GODHOOD!

CAPTAIN SCHADENFREUDE, AWAAAAAY!

Way to pick one line from what I said and assume I'm a fanboy of a game I have no intention of ever playing.

 

[rokkolpo]

My laptop can't take Minecraft...DO WANT!

 

[TheAmazingHobo]

I don´t think people should hate this game on principle. From what I read about it, there at least APPEAR to be some genuinly interesting ideas, even if the base is, yes I think using this term is warranted in this context, rather copy-and-pasted from MineCraft.
However, should any of those innovations ever make it into MineCraft, I really hope the developer of this game has the good sense to not whine about it.

Additionally, I think much anger could have been averted, if the dev of this game had shown more humility and respect for his obvious inspiration.

Since you're about the fifth person to flip the fuck out about that comment, I should probably mention that a) I was making fun of that guy's completely biased and illogical argument -notice how I just copied what he wrote and changed a few things? and b) you people are so goddamn easy. It's pathetic. Someone even mentions FortressCraft and you come flying out of the shrubbery like crazy people.

It is your butthurt that feeds me, gentlemen. It is your rabid fanboyism that gives me power. Your intense and illogical hatred of something that even Notch himself welcomes. This is why you are card-carrying members of the Notch Defense Force, and this alone. Now give me your stength, that I may achieve GODHOOD!

CAPTAIN SCHADENFREUDE, AWAAAAAY!

I´m sure it can be very frustrating for you to argue with people who may actually be opposed to this game on pure principle, but
1) I do not believe you are helping to improve the discussion in any way with such a post and
2) to be blunt, to an outside observer, this post makes you look at least as least as ignorant and childish as the "Notch Defense Force" you seem to loathe so much.

 

[Ickorus]

Graphics look pretty crappy to me and it is ripping off Minecraft a lot no matter what way you look at it or try to defend it but I don't give a crap, maybe it'll get Notch to fire off the updates faster.

 

[MrGalactus]

I don't hate on the game, but I do not like that dude at all. He has a minecraft server called F@G that he charges $20 for entry. He also goes on other people's games and whines and trolls like an immature 12 year old. He's a money grubber and a douchebag.

Are there really people out there with Xbox 360s that don't own a computer that can run Minecraft?

Me as soon as I place some anything it freezes. Especially TNT. My computer hates TNT.

 

[C.S.Strowbridge]

I don't hate on the game, but I do not like that dude at all. He has a minecraft server called F@G that he charges $20 for entry. He also goes on other people's games and whines and trolls like an immature 12 year old. He's a money grubber and a douchebag.

Who is doing this? The developer of Fortresscraft?

Are there really people out there with Xbox 360s that don't own a computer that can run Minecraft?

Me as soon as I place some anything it freezes. Especially TNT. My computer hates TNT.

Is there something wrong with your computer? I can literally walk two blocks a pick up a brand new computer for $500 that plays Minecraft. (It doesn't come with a monitor.) If you are willing to go used, you could get one for $300.

 

[Adam28]

Although it is disappointing that Minecraft isn't coming to consoles, I am glad Notch is making a Minecraft for iOS.

 

[RowdyRodimus]

I don't hate on the game, but I do not like that dude at all. He has a minecraft server called F@G that he charges $20 for entry. He also goes on other people's games and whines and trolls like an immature 12 year old. He's a money grubber and a douchebag.

Who is doing this? The developer of Fortresscraft?

Are there really people out there with Xbox 360s that don't own a computer that can run Minecraft?

Me as soon as I place some anything it freezes. Especially TNT. My computer hates TNT.

Is there something wrong with your computer? I can literally walk two blocks a pick up a brand new computer for $500 that plays Minecraft. (It doesn't come with a monitor.) If you are willing to go used, you could get one for $300.

Or pay $3 for FortressCraft on the 360. $300-$500 might not be much to you, but to some people spending that kind of money isn't a solution, especially to play a $20 game. If someone is playing FortressCraft on their 360 it's not going to keep you from playing Minecraft on your PC.

It's like gay marriage, there are so many people against it but what does it hurt your marriage to your wife (assuming you are a guy) if there is a gay couple married down the block? (And this is coming from a Right Wing Conservative Republican, BTW)

Notch has made MILLIONS already off of Minecraft. He has made more than enough to fund updates and will continue getting more customers. The people that buy FortressCraft are purchasing it on a platform that is completely different than what Minecraft is on. Let's say someone buys FortressCraft and likes it so much they want to play a version on their laptop at school or work, what will they do? They'll buy MC. If a person has MC and likes it enough but would rather have it on their big screen TV, they can buy FC on the 360. It's one of the reason competition is good, especially when they are competitors on differing systems. That's not even figuring in what others have said about FC kind of forcing Notch's hand and making MC better to compete with FC and FC having to become better to compete with MC.

If Ford introduces a high end luxury car that retails for $10,000 and people flock to it, Chevy will design a similar car with added features and retail it at $9,500 and people will go to that. Then Ford will do the same thing again to make their car the better value and so on. It's what drives the marketplace and it does nothing but help the consumer.

I think FC is just what was needed to make MC what it had the potential to be instead of just a program to make golden dong statues.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Apollo959]

Personally, I don't feel that Minecraft getting inspired by Dwarf Fortress, Dungeon Keeper, and Infiniminer is really as bad as the "inspiration" that FortressCraft got from Minecraft. For one, Infiniminer is open source, so that negates part of one of your points, Mr. Video. That is also the only part that, in my opinion, really is the essence of Minecraft. Infiniminer is all about the mining aspect, almost like Dig Dug in the way that you just want to dig. Minecraft is much more than that. The whole open world aspect of it is enough on its own to make this point clear. Yes, the core points of Minecraft are the build/destroy aspects, but this is not exclusive to Infiniminer. Any sand game has these parts, hell, LEGO did it way before any of these.

My second point is the fact that nobody seems to do their research. Now, I haven't read the rest of the comments, but just looking at the first pages I can assume how it goes. Nobody wants to bring up any new points. Well, here's one: Dwarf Fortress looks and plays NOTHING like Minecraft. One, its top-down, and to an extent it looks text based. The inspiration from this for Minecraft is most likely the open world environment, where the world changes every time you play.

Finally, Dungeon Keeper. Yes, it involves monsters, and loot, and such. But, like Infiniminer, it doesn't have any overworld elements. Its the overworld of Minecraft that people fall in love with, like seeing your first waterfall or cliff. And please don't tell me that the idea of dungeon enemies is original. It really isn't.

The last thing that people miss is the age of some of these inspired games. Yes, Dwarf Fortress is still being updated, but both Infiniminer and Dungeon Keeper are gone. Nobody plays these games anymore, and that's what makes it more acceptable to take concepts from them. Minecraft is still around in a large number, and its not even out of Beta. The anger doesn't really come from the concepts they share, although that is a large part of it. The anger comes from the fact that Minecraft isn't even out entirely yet; and that this looks to be just someone trying to piggyback onto the viral fame that Minecraft that has created.



Also, I'm not against FortressCraft's existence, I think competition is good. But i do think it should have brought more to the table.

 

[Shycte]

Mad, mad everywhere.

The Notch Defense Force needs to get over themself. If this matters so much to them, it's just sad.

What is even more sad are people using the term "Notch defense force" to describe fans of the game. Only haters/trolls, and haters/trolls only would use such a stupid fucking term. Just stop it.

Not that Minecraft fanboys aren't also annoying, but this really isn't any different then using terms like "Sony defense force" to describe "Playstation fagboys", its just stupid and immature and nobody above the age of 12 should it use it.

Uhh..... Okay?... I really fail to see what you are getting worked up about? The Notch Defense force thing? I could have said MineCraft fanboys. But does it matter? Really?

 

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Is there something wrong with your computer? I can literally walk two blocks a pick up a brand new computer for $500 that plays Minecraft. (It doesn't come with a monitor.) If you are willing to go used, you could get one for $300.

Or pay $3 for FortressCraft on the 360. $300-$500 might not be much to you, but to some people spending that kind of money isn't a solution, especially to play a $20 game. If someone is playing FortressCraft on their 360 it's not going to keep you from playing Minecraft on your PC.

Wow. That was an off target rant.

I'm simply saying that hardware is not an issue for Minecraft.
I can't imagine someone who could afford an XBox 360, which is only for games, not also having a computer powerful enough to play Minecraft. You don't need a $2000 machine to play it.

As for Minecraft vs. FortressCraft, can someone please tell me what's so good about FortressCraft? That's a serious question. I'm not a hater, I just want to know what makes it a more appealing choice.

 

[MrGalactus]

I don't hate on the game, but I do not like that dude at all. He has a minecraft server called F@G that he charges $20 for entry. He also goes on other people's games and whines and trolls like an immature 12 year old. He's a money grubber and a douchebag.

Who is doing this? The developer of Fortresscraft?

Are there really people out there with Xbox 360s that don't own a computer that can run Minecraft?

Me as soon as I place some anything it freezes. Especially TNT. My computer hates TNT.

Is there something wrong with your computer? I can literally walk two blocks a pick up a brand new computer for $500 that plays Minecraft. (It doesn't come with a monitor.) If you are willing to go used, you could get one for $300.

Yeah, DJ Arkis or Farkis or Harkis or something like that.
$300 is a TON of money! My current one worked for a bit, but then decided it didn't work. It's cool, I prefer playing on my 360 anyway. Nice big screen and a proper controller. Notch spoke about making a Minecraft port for Xbox anyway, so I'll wait for that. FortressCraft looks fine, but I'd hate to give money to that damn guy.

 

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Is there something wrong with your computer? I can literally walk two blocks a pick up a brand new computer for $500 that plays Minecraft. (It doesn't come with a monitor.) If you are willing to go used, you could get one for $300.

Yeah, DJ Arkis or Farkis or Harkis or something like that.
$300 is a TON of money! My current one worked for a bit, but then decided it didn't work. It's cool, I prefer playing on my 360 anyway. Nice big screen and a proper controller. Notch spoke about making a Minecraft port for Xbox anyway, so I'll wait for that. FortressCraft looks fine, but I'd hate to give money to that damn guy.

When you mention proper controller, you lost me. I prefer using the keyboard and mouse, because you can have more complex games. When the FortressCraft guy talks about a simplified interface, it makes me think it will be a neutered version of the final Minecraft, only with HD graphics.

 

[TerranReaper]

Ill cut the guy some slack on the whole adding content because of the sudden amount of success Minecraft got, but yeah he needs to start putting some more effort into in. Especially with the modding community backing him the way it does.

But that doesn't change that Fortress craft is trying to get in on his idea. There is nothing better there in the game. There is nothing new. It is just Minecraft for the X-box. It is not it's own game. Had they been adding features and whatnot then sure they would be making their own thing, but they are not.

Well, that's the thing though, we don't know what this new game is going to have and what it offers. The developer(s) said they intend to bring more variety in the form of building fortresses and something about defending them, but that is very little to go with. At the expense of sounding like a hypocrite, people are assuming it's going to be the exact same game with the exact same content off of one trailer and some words spread around. The graphics are shown to be better, although whether you think that is a good or bad thing is subjective.

What I find hilarious, and this is very telling of how the Escapist acts as a community, is that the same developer of FortressCraft made a post on the Minecraft forums. For what he's developing, that's fairly ballsy but despite that, they acted more civilized towards the matter than we did, and I even remember them criticizing us on how poorly we acted towards this.

Edit: here's the link http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=163285&sid=4301c448a45bbcfc064f188b04ba46db

 

[MrGalactus]

Is there something wrong with your computer? I can literally walk two blocks a pick up a brand new computer for $500 that plays Minecraft. (It doesn't come with a monitor.) If you are willing to go used, you could get one for $300.

Yeah, DJ Arkis or Farkis or Harkis or something like that.
$300 is a TON of money! My current one worked for a bit, but then decided it didn't work. It's cool, I prefer playing on my 360 anyway. Nice big screen and a proper controller. Notch spoke about making a Minecraft port for Xbox anyway, so I'll wait for that. FortressCraft looks fine, but I'd hate to give money to that damn guy.

When you mention proper controller, you lost me. I prefer using the keyboard and mouse, because you can have more complex games. When the FortressCraft guy talks about a simplified interface, it makes me think it will be a neutered version of the final Minecraft, only with HD graphics.

Oh, well the controller thing is just a matter of opinion. I assume ther'll just be a lot more scrolling through things with a controller when it comes to Minecraft. I don't like the HD graphics, though. I much prefer the retro blockiness of Minecraft.

 

[thenoblitt]

there is a difference from being inspired by and ripping off and it completely ripped it off everything in the trailer is like everything in minecraft it doesnt have any different aesthetics or any thing more innovative its literally the same damn thing

 

[Neonit]

there are exclusives for xbox, there are exclusives for playstation. why in satans glorious name is having exclusives for pc wrong? i have no problems with there being one more game available on the market.... but i think its kinda cheap to just make practically the same game, but on a different console and claim it your own. i wonder how would the discussion look like if someone would make a rip-off of an xbox exclusive title.....

but to be honest, the only people who have ANY right to complain about this situation are the parties involved (developers etc.) , not the fanboys. so yeah, those kinds of crusades you can observe here, and on other sites are pretty much pointless...


ps muahahah bow before might pc elitist! i shall crush any resistance with my superior hardware! hehehe.... pc elitist.... what has became of our world.......

 

[TerranReaper]

there are exclusives for xbox, there are exclusives for playstation. why in satans glorious name is having exclusives for pc wrong? i have no problems with there being one more game available on the market.... but i think its kinda cheap to just make practically the same game, but on a different console and claim it your own. i wonder how would the discussion look like if someone would make a rip-off of an xbox exclusive title.....

but to be honest, the only people who have ANY right to complain about this situation are the parties involved (developers etc.) , not the fanboys. so yeah, those kinds of crusades you can observe here, and on other sites are pretty much pointless...


ps muahahah bow before might pc elitist! i shall crush any resistance with my superior hardware! hehehe.... pc elitist.... what has became of our world.......

Well, Notch doesn't look like he will port Minecraft to consoles anytime soon, and Minecraft isn't exactly as low specs as you would make it out to be. Surely, more people experiencing this new and developing genre isn't a bad thing?

 

[Kakashi on crack]

It's funny how people claim clones like this don't progress the industry at all, but the fact that competition between developers saying "I can do better" has led to certain genres becoming better as a result instead of it stagnating. I'm hoping Fortresscraft succeeds to some degree, so Notch will realize he needs to get off his lazy ass and start actually putting out content that isn't just reskinned blocks and taking mods from the community into his updates. Although I might as well not say anything, considering reasoning and logic are missing from the Notch Defense Force.

http://notch.tumblr.com/

Cause you know, he's totally on his lazy ass not doing anything /sarcasm, and if you've read half the posts here I think reasoning and Logic are rather high.

I'm not trying to snap at you Terran, but I've seen carbon copies of this post so many times that when I came accross your post I got sick and tired of it.

As for the monopoly thing totally unrelated to the above quote, look at EVERY FUCKING INVENTION IN MODERN HISTORY! Pardon the language, but Electricity was monopolized, radio was monopolized, telephones were monopolized, apple monopolizes just about every phone they come out with.

Monopoly is a good and bad thing. It gives someone the ability to get their project rolling, allows for it to be perfected/cleaned up, and allows one cash in on their -idea- before other companies break them down and take em out of the market. There is a DIFFERENCE between a small-scale getting started copyrights monopoly (the reason for half of our inventions today) and a large-scale business monopoly (such as microsoft back in the days.) A good example of this is the subway. If it wasn't for people stealing the idea, we would have had clean, efficient subways back when they were initially invented way back in, last I checked, the 1800s >.>



Edit: Initially FortressCraft will only be available on XBLIG, however we are looking at PC distribution methods. If we can get distribution sorted for FortessCraft on the PC it will probably be more along the lines of "pay $X and you get all updates ever". Unfortunately Sony doesn't provide indie games support like Microsoft does, so it's incredibly unlikely that FortressCraft will see a PSN release

This statement is a loosing point. While I thought it was a clone, and personally didn't like it, there was nothign in the business aspect to piss me off. By having plans to transfer it to PC they really mean "get it popular on the Xbox and then transfer to PC so we get more of an audience than we would of"