Sorry if this was mentioned. I tried to read through the first page but gave up. Another reason to ask for her nude is to test the skills of an artist to draw a nude but still have her hiding areas typically censored in a reasonable way. When you draw nude and have to abide censorship you have to keep more of the picture in mind so that all things fit together smoothly. A quick example would be is Harley sitting in the tub just covering her breasts with her arm across her chest? If so, why? Is she being modest for the fourth wall's sake? Is she filming herself for someone?
Draw Harley Quinn Naked, Killing Herself, To Win DC Artist Contest
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This seems quite tasteless and stupid to make a contest based off of drawing a character committing suicide.
That is all I got to say. Arguments involving sexism's on this site just seem like a waste of time to me. Also it's just the same arguments repeated over and over again so you seen one sexism thread you seen them all.
That is all I got to say. Arguments involving sexism's on this site just seem like a waste of time to me. Also it's just the same arguments repeated over and over again so you seen one sexism thread you seen them all.
I remember some time ago there was a user on the escapist called Boudica who got banned. I am guessing Boudica often was in involved in feminism/sexism like topics. I could try to check if I am right but I don't care enough to do so.Maiev Shadowsong said:
edit- you can look for your self if what I assmed was right if you care
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/Boudica
I believe Boudica asked to be banned actually.Reincarnatedwolfgod said:
OT- Apparently the whole thing is supposed to be Harley breaking the fourth wall and joking about all the crazy things DC is going to make her do. I think they should have mentioned that in their page about the contest.
Conservation of detail. It's mentioned because it's important. The first 3 panels are all ridiculous examples of Harley trying to off herself - all within character. The last one is a realistic portrayal of suicide - something that [i/]isn't[/i] in character for Harley. It's supposed to show that this isn't another macabre joke by Harley; it's serious. That means all the details have to be realistic. By not mentioning she's naked artists familiar with Harley would draw her with her suit or some ridiculous costume on, thus turning the serious example of suicide into another joke.Maiev Shadowsong said:
Also, it's possible to depict nudity without making it sexualized. It's called <a HREF=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanDisservice>"Fan Disservice".
To be fair, they specify they want a "suit made of raw chicken," which could much more easily lead to a "chicken bikini" sort of costume than if they had simply said "chicken suit." And besides, if comedy were what they were after, they could have simply said "chicken suit."Maiev Shadowsong said:
OT: I'm going to have to agree with the consensus: While it may be within Harley's character to do something like this, to have an art contest based on these activities is in very poor taste no matter how you look at it. Also, the specific mention of her being "naked" in the bath is very unnecessary, which whether they intended it or not SEVERELY changes the message they are sending about what they're after.
You know, back when I was first learning about making comics, the books I read stated that any and all symbolism and full context related to what is happening needs to be given to the artist since the artist cannot read your friggin? mind. Unless you trust the artist to tell the story and it doesn?t matter how they do so in the particular context, YOU. INCLUDE. EVERYTHING.
So leaving out that little ?she?s breaking the 4th wall/satire? bits don?t really help if the contest-makers don?t know that.
Furthermore, I encourage people to NOT enter into this for a simple reason: it?s not a foot in the door to DC Comics. DC is not interested in a new artist. Why? Because if they were, they would have asked for a sample of a page that showed superheroes fighting, different uses of light, being able to tell a story without dialogue, and different moods in the panels. Because THAT is what you need for an artist.
Not someone who can draw Harley Quinn naked in a bathtub purportedly breaking the 4th wall.
At best what will happen to the winner of this contest is doing inking work, additional pencils, storyboarding, and maybe promotional artwork. This is not going to actually lead to a career making comics. Because DC is not interested in getting people into a career making comics. They are interested in publicity.
And they really, REALLY suck at that, if these last few days have shown anything.
Yeah, her humor can run pretty dark. Apparently there was some context to this where Harley is breaking the 4th wall to complain about the writers even sexualizing her when she is committing suicide, but they don't bother to mention it. If there is context that explains it, why leave it out and make yourself look like a bunch of creepers?Skeleon said:
When I first heard they where holding a contest to draw a page in the new Harley comics I thought to myself that this could be a start of something positive. Now that Ive actually read a bit more about the whole thing Im sighing in disbelief and shaking my head in shame over the decline of my favorite Comic Book company.
Aside from the Chicken Bikini, I fail to see any parallel between what they're asking and Loony Tunes.
Even with the contect added later, this still seems pretty low.
This still seems like a crappy thing to ask for.
Considering it's Harley complaining about the writers, isn't it kinda insulting to previous writers? <.<
Not that I entirely agree with things they've done.
Harley was a pretty perfect character when she wore the outfit she's pretty much named after. Lately she's wearing little more than a bodice, shorts, and shoes kinda taking away from her name's origins.
It kinda bothers me, but I can get used to her latest look.
Honestly, the 4th pannel gets pretty dark, gritty, realistic, and kinda creepy. They specefically ask for her to be naked.
For all the people throwing around the "Well she's insane! Of course she's killing herself!" being naked in the tub killing one's self is a pretty -sane- way to go about it.
Maybe with the new context, it can be more obvious she's trying to protest the way she's being utilized? I doubt it.
Frankly I'd be surprised if DC didn't get any porn over the 4th pannel. Heck, I'd be surprsed if all 4 pannels weren't pornographic sooner or later.
This still seems like a crappy thing to ask for.
Considering it's Harley complaining about the writers, isn't it kinda insulting to previous writers? <.<
Not that I entirely agree with things they've done.
Harley was a pretty perfect character when she wore the outfit she's pretty much named after. Lately she's wearing little more than a bodice, shorts, and shoes kinda taking away from her name's origins.
It kinda bothers me, but I can get used to her latest look.
Honestly, the 4th pannel gets pretty dark, gritty, realistic, and kinda creepy. They specefically ask for her to be naked.
For all the people throwing around the "Well she's insane! Of course she's killing herself!" being naked in the tub killing one's self is a pretty -sane- way to go about it.
Maybe with the new context, it can be more obvious she's trying to protest the way she's being utilized? I doubt it.
Frankly I'd be surprised if DC didn't get any porn over the 4th pannel. Heck, I'd be surprsed if all 4 pannels weren't pornographic sooner or later.
I like nudity. I like sexualized nudity. I like Harley Quinn. I like it when Harley Quinn does sick and messed up things. So my question is, where can I see entries? I don't get the outrage or why people are deciding to be offended. In this run of Batman, the Joker has his face sliced off and held in place with string. Speaking of which, I wouldn't mind if this contest were about drawing a nude Joker or any other disturbing Bat character. Hey, how about Bruno with the swastikas on her boobs from what many consider the greatest comic book of all time?
I just think people are freaking out because A. anti suicide campaigns are a popular cause recently and B. it's hip to decry any female character's sexualization to start a debate about feminism. The latter seems a bit sexist to me.
But yes, suicide is horrible, women should be treated equally and not be sexualized all the time. I just don't see why this particular contest is offensive to people's sensibilities. It's not even in the main continuity of the story. It's just an art contest. I'm guessing the people who are offended probably don't even read the comics they're disgusted with.
I just think people are freaking out because A. anti suicide campaigns are a popular cause recently and B. it's hip to decry any female character's sexualization to start a debate about feminism. The latter seems a bit sexist to me.
But yes, suicide is horrible, women should be treated equally and not be sexualized all the time. I just don't see why this particular contest is offensive to people's sensibilities. It's not even in the main continuity of the story. It's just an art contest. I'm guessing the people who are offended probably don't even read the comics they're disgusted with.
I like Harley Quinn I like how dark and tragic her story is....I don't like it when DC abuses a character like her for publicity. DC has shown time and time again that it doesn't give a shit about it's characters in any regards expect for who gets money from marketing them. And that's what this is, publicity and I am so glad it is exploding in their faces. Maybe if they mentioned the fourth wall thing earlier people wouldn't have been so upset you could draw her looking at the reader 'Yeah this fuckwit is into this shit.' But they didn't they didn't mention it until after the shitstorm was in full swing. This is a continuation of the blatant misogyny shown by DC.
DC...women read comics a lot of them do. keep this up...and they won't be reading YOUR comics. That's half a market your alienating at least. And more of the other half who find this kind of shit...disturbing and wrong. I am not here to start an arguement so I won't be saying anything is fact, it's just that I personally find this...wrong. I personally find it to be them trying to sexualize or make light of Suicide. You can say that 'harley is crazy' all you want but does that really make it better? Does sexualizing the suicide of a mentally unstable person make any of this more palatable? I don't think it does.
DC...women read comics a lot of them do. keep this up...and they won't be reading YOUR comics. That's half a market your alienating at least. And more of the other half who find this kind of shit...disturbing and wrong. I am not here to start an arguement so I won't be saying anything is fact, it's just that I personally find this...wrong. I personally find it to be them trying to sexualize or make light of Suicide. You can say that 'harley is crazy' all you want but does that really make it better? Does sexualizing the suicide of a mentally unstable person make any of this more palatable? I don't think it does.
Erm, the "4th wall breaking" was said from the start. The media sites that decided to report on it conveniently forgot to say that part. And no, they are anot alienating anyone but the people who love to be offended at everything. Other people will not give a shit and just continue to read the comics instead of trying really hard to see things that arent there and being offended about it.Seanfall said:
And no, they are not sexualizing suicide. People that are in bathtubs, are usually naked. Do you know that?
Trying so hard to be offended at something and not even looking at the context of the story.... /sigh
Yes. This. All of this post.Sgt. Sykes said:
Though I don't think naked suicide is super often, bathtub suicides are (probably) naked 100% of the time.
And the chose a bathtub suicide because, the way they envisioned it, it involves a lot of detail and a very specific tone. Two things they need to test someone on before they let them do the art for one of their comics.
They obviously said "naked" specifically in the prompt so that contestants knew exactly what to draw. They never said "let us see Harley's nipples." I assume any good artist would know that the water would do the censoring for them. No need to have her in her underwear (because c'mon, who does that?).
In short: if it were Bruce Wayne instead of Harley Quinn, nobody would give this much of a shit.
I'll be honest, it sounds more like a Looney Tones/Adams Family sketch than a serious depiction of someone pushed to the edge. You know, considering it's Harley and all.
Not worth getting mad over anyway, the whole thing is obviously a PR ploy to stir up the hornets nest and get a bunch of free press. No such thing as bad press and all that. If this offends you, just don't buy DC comics. Don't get mad about it and post it everywhere, you're giving the people you're mad at what they want.
Not worth getting mad over anyway, the whole thing is obviously a PR ploy to stir up the hornets nest and get a bunch of free press. No such thing as bad press and all that. If this offends you, just don't buy DC comics. Don't get mad about it and post it everywhere, you're giving the people you're mad at what they want.
The 4th wall breaking was mentioned on Twitter first as far as I know. it was not reported with the first script. Yes people get offended at stuff. Stuff that is offensive and meant to incense and anger. And those people who don't give a shit? Good for them, but I and many others aren't any of them. This things are there subtext matters. Yes I know people are naked there's not need to try to insult my intelligence. But they didn't need to draw attention to that point in the script, and you know what...SHE DOESN'T NEED TO BE KILLING HERSELF! I wouldn't have a problem with this if the Joker for instance had the rope that would be fine why? Cause the jokers fucked like that.BernardoOne said:
Yes I am looking at the context and Yes I am offended and no I didn't have to try. Stop assuming that...I don't know why i'm even making this post. As everything i've said is just going to be disregarded in favor of straw man arguments. And what story? the reporting of this event? The event itself? The event is to draw An attractive woman in various dangerous or suicidal situations. The first three I don't mind their almost comical it's the final one that gets me.
