Duke Nukem Forever and 'Rape'

[veloper]

Didn't Jim describe him as a "Fan of tastelessness" and then go onto support a school-shooter game? Seems inconsistant to me jim, infact it seems like you go with the opinion that will troll the most people and grab the most attention.

"I'm a lover of tasteless humor and offensive content, and as such, I've found it incredibly difficult to condemn this game as so many gamers have willfully done. In fact, it's my worry that anybody who does condemn this game is a hypocrite, because ultimately, what is School Shooter if not something that does what most games do, without the weak moral justification?"

I don't have to point out much of a hack he is. He does it for me.

Yeah he did say that here in extra consideration on the Escapist and he also said something along these lines over at Destructoid.

That's a 180 degree turn there. What happened to you Jim?

 

[Annoying Turd]

its just a game, and everybody needs to lighten up.

case closed

 

[Versuvius]

Jim sterling. Funny but most of what he says can be equated to blubblublublublublblublubl. Alien parasite rape is just one of the things Sci Fi in general enjoys be it Xenomorphs to the chimera infection thing which is basically genetic hijacking. Though i do think Jim was trying to get this response. If he was, you got trolled hard, because i do not think he really believes that anyone who enjoys DNF is a psychopath. Though i think Anyone who enjoys it is a Halotard with low standards...maybe i will get my own thread for saying that

Why thank you captcha, good luck to you too.

 

[LordLundar]

There's the biggest issue with DNF. The "jokes" and one liners are not there for satire as they were in DN3D (I don't recall duke making a one liner when he killed the bound women in that game, let alone every time as in DNF), they were one of two things:

1. A slam at pop culture that was out of date 3 years ago. (see the halo reference and Leeroy Jenkins)
2. Set up for shock value. (the bulk of the hive really)

DN3D's jokes were tasteless granted, but they were there to to garner a laugh not a chin drop and they pulled it off well even today (though people not born then might not get the jokes). DNF on the other hand has duke spouting lines that illicit more of a "what a sick FREAK!" than "satire of atypical chauvinistic pig" response. The latter would have garnered a better response at least.

So yeah, tasteless I expect. Situations like Duke treating the women as eye candy like in the start or in the strip club I expect. One liners spouted every time he had to put a woman out of their misery? That's just plain disgusting.

 

[redspud]

Alright 2 things-
#1-Its a Duke Nukem game it's going to be offensive. Also did anyone really expect anything different from this kind of game especially since they did it before?

#2-You guys are way to easily offended. Since I find it funny though here is something really offensive. Click me if you dare [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtrJTn6hd8c]

 

[LordLundar]

Gaming culture isn't going to collapse into an anarchic wasteland full of rapists and murders. you're sound like fox fucking news.

Cite your source before making an accusation like that if you want to even be remotely taken seriously.

It's a game, not only that, it's a game that intentionally takes things as far as it thinks it can to illicit a reaction from you.

There's a not so fine line between tasteless and disgusting and while DN3D toed that line, DNF pole vaulted it. So yeah, it got a reaction, just one that wants people associated with the game to never make a piece of crap like this again.

It's puerile teen humour and so what if someone likes it?

It's not puerile teen humor, it's I.Q. at roughly room temp humour at best and I don't have a problem if someone enjoys it (though I won't think terribly highly of them) but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to demand better.

If you find it offensive, shut the hell up and don't play it.

I don't. And by the same token, if you don't like people criticizing a game you like, shut up and don't respond to threads.

I'm sick of whiny irks moaning about this kind of stuff. Some people need to grow up and discover the difference between real life, and an over the top game that intentionally tries to piss you off.

There is a considerable difference between criticizing a game and having a disassociation with reality. And honestly, I can't imagine any developer looking to make a game that's designed to intentionally piss of it's target demographic. It's bad business.

 

[Zaik]

He's still trolling you guys and he isn't even making videos here anymore.

That's pretty bad.

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

Well...they are being raped by the aliens
But its not new. The series had it in Duke Nukem 3D, and the Alien series had alien rape in a similar way with similar results.

Except, y'know, the rape wasn't used as a setup for a ~joke~.

 

[DonMartin]

I think I recall reading a review of the demo that Jim did, in which he said it was fun an enjoyable. He sometimes, to me, seems like the kind of guy who changes opinion to make it a bit more controversial. When the demo came out, he thought he'd defend it and say that it's fun, and that's what videogames are about, that the artsy fartsy crowd have ridiculous standards. (in a similar way we saw in the Call of Duty video he made) Now, he's turned on those who liked it or thought they'd like it, and his opinion is that it's not fun, simply vulgar and boring. Those who like it now are immature, or it's simply not a good game at all. I think he said the mechanics are dated, or something similar. The same mechanics were in the demo, right?

I realize the demo part was the most polished part of the entire game, or so Ive heard, but this is the impression Ive gotten of Jim. Sorry if Ive got him all wrong. The man's entitled to his opinion, but he could rethink the way he's presenting it. Saying new things or being original, stating opinions that are uncommon is great, by all means, but then marketing yourself with that? "Has a tendence to make the internet angry at him"? That's not being thoughtprovoking, that's just being a dick. No offense, though.

 

[Sudenak]

Meh.

More proof that DNF was just a tasteless, awful, piece of shit game imho. The people wildly defending it as hilarious are the sort of people DNF was made for. They can keep it. Point being that all other video games have found ways to make humor without directly involving a rape joke.

And while I defend the right of a game to do whatever the fuck it wants (a la free speech), I don't like it one bit.

Hell, this game should buddy up with EA on throwing gamers back into that "immature, piece of shit punks" spotlight that we've been trying to break out of. It's very hard for me, as a girl gamer, to stand up and defend the industry as growing into a beautiful and artistic thing when shit like this is thrown out there.

I mean, if you like it, fine. But don't pretend for a single second that it isn't appallingly tasteless. Even for the Duke.

>_> It's not even funny, either.

 

[Chiasm]

I'm sick of whiny irks moaning about this kind of stuff. Some people need to grow up and discover the difference between real life, and an over the top game that intentionally tries to piss you off.

There has to be some kind of line; not for moral correctness but just for being tactful or at the very least make the joke on subjects funny.

This scene in Duke is like making a first person game about abusing children; where you get to molest and hit your kids all while making bad one liners.

Just because you can make something dosn't mean you should.

 

[Ragsnstitches]

Just because you don't find it funny, does not mean it isn't funny. Humour is subjective.

And if it isn't funny, does that make it automatically offensive?

What's deemed offensive or derogatory is also subjective. But in context of something like Duke Nukem or Sexual abuse, I'd say people taking offence from what's on show is they key reason why people can't see the joke... funny or not.

Not exactly sure where you stand in this, but the point of my post was to counter the notion that humour can't be derived from serious and weighty topics like rape. Not to imply that offensiveness is proportional to the lack of lulz.

 

[Prince Regent]

Hell if anyone was raped t'was the Duke.

..in Peru.

 

[psivamp]

And it seems to be a lot worse in this game.

Couldn't you save the girls in Duke Nukem 3D?

 

[Lieju]

And it seems to be a lot worse in this game.

Couldn't you save the girls in Duke Nukem 3D?

I honestly can't remember, it's been like 10 years since I played it...

I admit, DNF has made me want to find DN3D and play it again. I recently picked up Doom again, and it was just as fun as I remembered.