Just so you know that was a baseless attack conjured up by the American Communist party to label Walt Disney as anti-Semitie and destroy his career. Because Walt was vehemently anti-communist and wanted the US to go to war with Nazi Germany while they were still allied with Soviet Russia.StatusNil said:
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I will consider it a possibility. You understand I can't take it as the final word on the subject just because someone says so on the Internet, but it's obviously not wholly implausible.KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
One of the biggest points of evidence, is all the pot shots that Walt took at Nazi Germany before the US got into the war, going back years. Things like Donald Duck in Naziland, which included the song "Der Furtherer's Face". At the time Russia and Germany were still allies and American Communists were driving the anti-war peace movement. They made an immediate about face when Germany declared war on Russia in mid 1941, leaving the rest of the peace movement shocked and confused. Still because Walt Disney was very, very against Nazi Germany so early on, the American Communists tried to silence him by destroying his reputation. Again due to the fact that Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia were allies and thus American Communists saw the Nazis as their allies, and American Communists had something of a love affair with Joseph "Uncle Joe" Stalin. The American Communist party pulled similar stunts on a lot of other pro-war media figures before Germany's invasion of Russia in June of 1941. It's really interesting history actually.StatusNil said:
What are you getting at here? That the Empire isn't fascist because it's fictional, or that it's not fascist because it doesn't meet the historical criteria for fascism?StatusNil said:
And this people, is the sort of behavior we can blame for having a Star Wars movie every year, until we're sick of the franchise and it sucks.erttheking said:
...Kyuubi? It was a joke. Chill. Out.KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
Yes... Also right back at you, because mine was a joke too.erttheking said:
I liked The Force Awakens too, and I don't mind that Star Wars is still going... Still, the whole thing of doing a new movie every year, that's asking for trouble. They are likely going to run the franchise fully into the ground before they decide to stop making movies every year.erttheking said:
Ah. My bad. Sorry, everyone's in a sour mood about everything nowadays and Poe's Law.KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
They were never allied. They had a neutrality pact. Germany, Austria and the Soviets were basically counting down the hours before either of them would be the first to make a move. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was purely about; "Totally won't invade, honest. So how much crude can we buy/sell?"KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
EDIT: If anything, it's a pseudo-theocratic absolute monarchy, which is very much the opposite of Fascism See two posts down for how I was wrong, though I stand by the following. There may be similarities: emphasis on strong central leadership, use of heavy-handed force to maintain order, sexy uniforms, but not everything "bad" is automatically Fascist.StatusNil said:
Le what? It's actively suppressing the major in setting equivalent of religion, its leader was duly elected and legally granted extraordinary powers, and at this point in the timeline the Empire still has a semi-functional Senate. There are literally zero words in your alternative governmental style that are accurate.Dragonlayer said:
Constant warfare, blaming the simultaneously overwhelming and easily beaten alien, encouraged factional infighting in command, literally called their shock troops Stormtroopers...
I thought that as a Sith, a pseudo-religious warrior-wizard sort whose people had established themselves as a superior caste on Korriban by virtue of their almost divine powers, Palpatine was readying an apprentice to take over his role? And that the Senate had been politically neutered, stripped of all powers and reduced to little more then a rubber-stamp assembly that did what the throne told them to do. A spot of the 'ole aggressive expansionism also isn't restricted to Fascism, neither is an emphasis on warfare and military force (the Empire's justification for existing is bringing peace and order to the galaxy after the Clone Wars and corrupt Republic, it doesn't require war to survive) and the relative weakness of their chief opponent means nothing politically: Great Britain carving up Africa was a nigh unstoppable juggernaut in comparison to its tribal foes, but didn't magically become Fascist because of that. Non-Fascist regimes have encouraged various flavours of racism for their own purposes as well (see Tsar Nicky "It was the Jews!" II), and the supreme importance of racial classification is more a National Socialist then Fascist thing (not to suggest the latter was "colour-blind", far from it obviously, but racism alone does not make the blackshirt). Finally, while "popularized" by the SA, Stormtroopers were originally a designation for elite German infantry units trained and equipped for infiltration tactics during WW1: the Imperial Stormtroopers are likewise the Empire's (supposed) military elite, not paramilitary thugs. However! You've got me on the emergency-powers-to-the-chancellor point, because I had honestly completely forgotten that bit from the prequels, and seeing as it pretty much undercuts my entire argument, I concede the point.altnameJag said:
