Same reason Microsoft made Windows 7 after Vista wet the bed. Recognize that the screwup is your fault and move on to make a follow-up that isn't shit. I mean yeah, we're talking a game series vs. the world's most popular operating system, so it's a bit different... but have you seen the install base for The Sims? It's a smaller leap than you'd think.prowll said:
EA: "If The Sims 4 Isn't Successful, There Won't be a Sims 5"
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If you are going to be that angry, sneering, and sanctimonious, then at least do your research properly. It is more like 89 missing features, including some that has been in the series since the Sims 2, heck even since Sims 1 [http://ts4news.com/post/94541924952/89-features-missing-from-the-sims-4].blubseabass said:
Not matter how you slice it, the Sims 4 is one step forward followed by three steps back.
Original post is about how EA would not make any more Sims if enough people stay away from Sims 4.blubseabass said:The whole Sims 4 thing has made me sad to no end. Not because of EA. Ow no. Because of gamers.
I have nothing to do with EA or the development of the Sims, and I've been a great fan of it since the Sims 1. The hate TS4 gets is absolutely insane. I've played it 30 hours just this weekend and I can't wait to go home from work to play it again. I love it, and I especially love the new features.
Now you don't have to like the game. Go ahead and do not like it. You probably didn't like it before you played it to begin with. Fun is in the eye of the beholder. But what I absolutely despise is that Maxis/EA obviously took a gamble with their game, trying to improve the core at the cost of arguably stuff that is not the most important in the Sims, and all they get is hate. That is just unfair. The Sims 4 was born dead. The Sims 3 was the biggest addition a game could make. It could have never succeeded. We are so god damn focused on loss, that we kill ourselves and our industry by demanding everything. Because we gamers always want fucking everything on a fucking silver plate and are such decadent pieces of shit that if 2 or 3 features from a previous iteration don't make it in the new iteration, we spew out or conservative hate all over those who are really trying to move the game forward. Absolutely despicable.
It's NOTHING like the SimCity, where the game just didn't work at launch. It's way more like Civilization 5 vs Civilization 4.
If you don't want to play a new game, go play the old one you conservative decadent pig. Stay away with your pig arms from my developers that are trying to find fantastic new ways to improve my favorite franchises.
Yes, I'm furious.
Blueseabass, apparent fan of series, tells people to stay away from his precious game and not touch it with our filthy pig hands.
What the hell am I reading here? I could go on to the claims about Maxis "bold" move to try new waters with Sims 4 but there is only so much time I am willing to sacrifice to efforts I fully well know to be futile.
OT: I don't Envy mister Gurus job. But the post that prompted the "no sale, no future" comment pretty much nails the bare minimum that should have been in Sims 4:
"SIMS 5
Here's what I'd like in the base game--pretty please?:
1. More than 8 careers, including typical sim careers such as the medical profession and business careers.
2. Please make actual babies, instead of objects that are tied to their bassinets.
3. Please include basic life stages including toddlers.
4. Please include CASt.
5. A complete open world without loading screens - unless you include a load screen to a separate neighborhood.
6. Please include varying heights in all age groups.
7. Please update the graphics to compete with Sims 3, and make it obvious that this is truly a 'Next Generation Game'; it doesn't have to be GTA V graphics, just something slightly better than TS3 and not so darn cartoonish. Please?
8. Please ensure there are minimal routing errors in the open world. If modders can do this, EA game devs should be able to do this. No?
9. Please ensure there is minimal clipping.
10. Please include basics such as swimming pools in the base game.
11. Please charge a reasonable amount for this. $70 is fine, because a base game like this would be worlds better than TS4.
12. Please include a family tree.
13. Please include realistic transportation--not teleporting."
Sad thing is, I first I glanced through it and thought "Ok, i'll include the most obvious necessary ones, I wont post whole 13 point list.", then I go trough the list, and facepalm as I realize they all really need to be included. Says something about Sims 4 as it is. Still, I am hoping the coming DLC will at least on some level fix this, which is also implied in some of Guru's comments.
I admit sneering, sorry. Removed it. But now I have your attention, that list is not even close to accurate: some things were not in the sims 3 at launch, and other "features" like a trashcompactor are there, but not named the same.Blachman201 said:
There are features missing. And I miss some of them. The open world was nice, and I miss it. The color pallet was nice, and I miss them. I miss story progression. I also have my own personal little frustrations.
But the features added! I love them! You don't have to. But were you really playing the sims because of Toddlers/open world/pools? We are so blind for those awesome things added?(which cost time and money) I already had a few friends who were hating on the Sims 4 before launch, watched the misslist, comfirmed 2 or 3, and then went on throwing it away saying it's the spawn of satan itself. After 3 days they were enjoying it just as much as I was, because they calmed down (which ironically, I have to do as well! ;P) played the game cooly and with a fresh mind, and then enjoyed the living shit out of it.
What I really hate is that people prefer the resources to go to mundane stuff like pools or toddlers in favor of the new amazing base they settled. Of course they shouldn't make the Sims 5 if the Sims 4 fails. We're insatiably. You don't have to agree with me, but it makes me angry because so much progress seems to be frustrated to what's for me nothing but petty and loss-minded.
Well, except for the "please buy our game or we will be out of job", this is a fairly standard response from a producer. What did you expect? "We are currently working on Sims 5, and its going to be even awesomer. Don't buy that shit, because it will get obsolete in a few months." Besides, its not like they don't have a calendar planning for future DLC...
Of course they were going to say they haven't started with 5... The one thing worst than being said they are not worried about the future is to say they don't care about the present.
Of course they were going to say they haven't started with 5... The one thing worst than being said they are not worried about the future is to say they don't care about the present.
"We're not working on Sims 5"
Of course not, most got fired and the rest is working on stupid spin-off add-ons for the next 3 years!
Also, what a pathetic attempt to get people to sink their money into this game by scaring them with the future of the franchise "at stake"!
Of course not, most got fired and the rest is working on stupid spin-off add-ons for the next 3 years!
Also, what a pathetic attempt to get people to sink their money into this game by scaring them with the future of the franchise "at stake"!
Because the franchise has already proven it's printing money. 3 times to be more precise. The reasonable business reaction would be to stop, see why only the 4th time it isn't printing money and see if it's because the consumer don't want the franchise or if the 4th installment a lot worse than the previous games.prowll said:
If it's the first reason, the logical reaction would be to stop making the franchise. However if it's the 2nd reason, the logical reaction would be to take the feedback of why it's not selling and combine it with the previous 3 installments to make a 5th one that is as good as the previous games.
The Sims 4 isn't selling well not because gamer don't want the game, it's because EA fucked up and people don't want to eat shit. Make a proper Sims game and it will print money like it did previously. This is holding the game base hostage.
So is this their new marketing pitch? "Buy our game or the franchise gets it?" It's certainly an interesting tactic. They know people are suspicious of Sims 4's quality, so they're trying to get people to buy it anyways by shutting down any notion of "just hoping the next one's better." If you want a better Sims, you're going to have to swallow 4 first.
EA: We never want to be the worst company again
EA: Loves micro transactions
players: hate micro transactions
players: love the sims franchise
EA: releases sequel to popular game with unpopular model designed to exploit peoples loyalty or addiction for profit
EA: threatens their loyal customers...
EA: We never want to be the worst company again
Making progress, aren't they?
EA: Loves micro transactions
players: hate micro transactions
players: love the sims franchise
EA: releases sequel to popular game with unpopular model designed to exploit peoples loyalty or addiction for profit
EA: threatens their loyal customers...
EA: We never want to be the worst company again
Making progress, aren't they?
Company of the year material right there. "If you don't buy our game WE'LL TAKE OUR BALL HOME AND NEVER LET YOU PLAY IT AGAIN!"
Although, truth be told, I'm not all that worried about it. I only played the first Sims on my old Gamecube and I hated it. No great loss there.
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...now if they were to say, by way of an example, "If Sims 4 doesn't sell enough, we'll buy Valve", I would break out into a cold sweat. Because that wouldn't just be despicable, that would be evil.
Although, truth be told, I'm not all that worried about it. I only played the first Sims on my old Gamecube and I hated it. No great loss there.
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...now if they were to say, by way of an example, "If Sims 4 doesn't sell enough, we'll buy Valve", I would break out into a cold sweat. Because that wouldn't just be despicable, that would be evil.
I think what will ultimately decide is after a few expansions, if EA begins to see a degree of Consumer fatigue due to cost vs benefit for Sims. When the game and all of the "stuff" and expansions get too expensive to keep up with for the average person, you'll see a sharp drop off in numbers. Kill the franchise? Nah. Don't make a Sims 5, just keep churning the Sims 4, eventually make the base game "free" on Origin and then continue to rape consumers for content and expansions. That seems like what EA would do as a contingency. Hardcore fans can continue to pay out the nose for gameplay stuff and everyone else will just move on.
Honestly? This is a reasonable position. Why would you make a sequel if you can't make the franchise profitable? EA's fault or our fault, if the franchise doesn't make money they should stop making it. If EA is incapable of making a good Sims game they should stop making Sims games.
This crap again? Fine, screw you too EA. How about instead of threatening your consumers with "Your favorite game won't exist any more if it doesn't perform to our standards. So go out and buy 3 copies or else we won't make our unrealistic sales goals." You sell us the games we want for a reasonable price?
Sure, some people may have fallen for it with Dead Space 3, but you are only hurting yourselves in the long run. Curb your expectations, stop spending yourselves into this situation to begin with, and don't punish us for not buying your crap.
Sure, some people may have fallen for it with Dead Space 3, but you are only hurting yourselves in the long run. Curb your expectations, stop spending yourselves into this situation to begin with, and don't punish us for not buying your crap.
Considering sequels tend to get worse as the franchise goes on, and apparently Sims 4 is pretty craptacular, why should we care if there is no Sims 5?
So you're threatening to kill off one of your most popular series, when the newest instalment has been out barely a week and you no doubt have 3-4 years worth of dlc planned. Maybe jumping the gun a bit there EA, but good luck with that plan. Saying that I'd make a large bet they would end up rebooting the series before the decades is out either way.
these fuckin' people, god
the same script, every time
-buy developer
-force developer to make shitty decisions
-release shitty game
-kill franchise/dev because of shitty game
the same script, every time
-buy developer
-force developer to make shitty decisions
-release shitty game
-kill franchise/dev because of shitty game