EA on women in Battlefield V; "If you don't like it, don't buy it"

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

So if I don't buy it because of other issues I have with the game that have nothing to do with gender politics- am I still a raging mysogynist?

Personally, I'd say absolutely not. Hell, I got issues that have nothing to do with gender.

But as a cuck socialist soyboy SJW, I am required to condemn you as a misogynist shitlord. So. There.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Ugh I actually agree with something EA said. I feel dirty now. I need a shower.

Yeah, it's a really icky feeling.

The more I think about this, the more confused I get. I mean, if something in a game from a historical period piqued your interest, wouldn't you then go and find some good books on it and find out what really happened? That's what I did (and also the reason I often get pissed at WW2 games. The B-17 used in the raid in CoD:UO was actually a B-17C, not a B-17F goddammit! Didn't have half the guns it's got in game, and it's in Coastal Command colours, not Bomber Command! FUCK). Or do the kids these days get all their history from video games?

It's not like WWII is the most published about conflict in history, and one video game not doing things absolutely historically accurate is going to erase everything that's been written about WWII, or the billions of pages of source material in archives around the world. Yet the shitfit we are seeing now seems to be based all around that concept. Am I expecting too much of someone who might be interested in the subject nowadays?

Oh, and Hitwoman would totally work. It's not like the femme fatale character hasn't been associated with assassination and murder for the past....eternity.

I don't think it has anything to do with being interested in history. Instead I think it has everything to do with this:

Spoiler: meninists

So if I don't buy it because of other issues I have with the game that have nothing to do with gender politics- am I still a raging mysogynist?

The guy didn't say that! He said if you don't like having women in the game then don't play it.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I swear the Bf 190G-2 that crash lands and the pilot gets out was a tropical model painted in the North African tan scheme, and I was going to use that as another example of how bullshit 'muh accuracy' is...until I watched it again, and realised it was in standard European camouflage (I still maintain that the Churchills are the wrong shade of green though ).

Dunno about the right or wrong shade of green, but as a veteran World of Tanks player I can safely say that one of them was a Churchill Gun Carrier. It'd be the one with no turret and the gun sandwiched between the tracks. The British made 50 of them in total and they never saw action.

And how else are they going to advertise a new feature in their character creator? Just shove it the background where nobody will notice it? There are 2 women in the second trailer, you see them for all of less than a second. I only noticed because I re-watched it looking for a woman. Even if that trailer had been released first, I bet there is someone going 'there's a fucking woman in my WWII game! They've sold out to the SJWs!'

I think the women at the end and the woman who eats it 25 seconds in are the same player. They've both got the hook hand and there was that "spawned on squad" notification right before she brains the guy with the cricket bat.

Which, I mean, acknowledging respawns in their trailer kinda underscores how "realistic" it was supposed to be.

 

[Dalisclock]

The more I think about this, the more confused I get. I mean, if something in a game from a historical period piqued your interest, wouldn't you then go and find some good books on it and find out what really happened? That's what I did (and also the reason I often get pissed at WW2 games. The B-17 used in the raid in CoD:UO was actually a B-17C, not a B-17F goddammit! Didn't have half the guns it's got in game, and it's in Coastal Command colours, not Bomber Command! FUCK). Or do the kids these days get all their history from video games?

You forgot the mission after that which takes place in the Netherlands.....which in the game has some very big hills for a nation mostly at or below sea level.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

That's like 2 handful of women

Put those goal posts back, sparky. You said there were none or just, a couple. I just named entire units (and there are more if you count every partisan setup out there).

The campaign (Or atleast part of it) is about a woman, that's fine because there were probably a few women in (Don't take the no wymen in WW2 literally) the resistance.

there were pretty much no women in WW2

99.999% of all the infantry in WW2 were men

You can't just pick one thing I said and ignore the rest, buddy. These ''Entire units'' is still nothing compared to how many men there were.

 

[Satinavian]

It wouldn't be so damn annoying if it wasn't on RECORD that there were female fighters on the Eastern front.

Yes, EASTERN FRONT.

Personally i would aplaud WWII games with female soviet soldiers. But Brits ? Or Germans ? No. Those different factions represent different cultures with very different attitudes towards women fighting.

The Germans were peobably the worst. They still rejected female volunteers when they were conscripting joung kids and those people that head been deemed unfit for duty during earlier mustering. Horrible views on gender is just another thing about Nazi-ideology that is forgotten way too easy.

So i disliked it when i heard that a female soldier is part of the British army in the trailer. Then i saw the trailer and ... yeah, it is so ridiclous that the women fits very well in. That is not a WWII game, it is at best a game with some WWII asthetics.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I don't think it has anything to do with being interested in history. Instead I think it has everything to do with this:

Spoiler: meninists

Oh I think you are right, I should have addressed that in my first post. I was pointing out that they are couching it in terms of 'muh historical accuracy', which is also more than a little bit bullshit. AAA war games have never been particularly accurate, they quite happily throw history to the wind if it serves either gameplay or the Hollywood style story these things usually have.

I mean, that video Squilookle posted, accuracy forms a basis of his argument (though when he linked authenticity, historical accuracy and Battlefield 1 I had to give out a loud HA). But when I rewatch the first trailer, I don't think the woman gets any more screen time than any other character. The only time it actually focuses on her is the packet shot at the end. Unless someone goes and does a second by second breakdown of the trailer....

He talks about forced diversity, and they should have used tact and subtlety....but there's exactly 1 woman in the trailer amongst how many men? Like I said, I don't think she gets any more screen time than anyone else in the trailer. But I think they think she's being 'forced down their throats' because it's something different, so it stands out more. There's also the effect of memory as well. I swear the Bf 190G-2 that crash lands and the pilot gets out was a tropical model painted in the North African tan scheme, and I was going to use that as another example of how bullshit 'muh accuracy' is...until I watched it again, and realised it was in standard European camouflage (I still maintain that the Churchills are the wrong shade of green though ).

And how else are they going to advertise a new feature in their character creator? Just shove it the background where nobody will notice it? There are 2 women in the second trailer, you see them for all of less than a second. I only noticed because I re-watched it looking for a woman. Even if that trailer had been released first, I bet there is someone going 'there's a fucking woman in my WWII game! They've sold out to the SJWs!'

They point out in the article the OP links to just how BS the historical accuracy argument is. Also I remember Yahtzee's review of Medal of Honour: Airborn where he makes reference to the Nazi's elite stormtroopers that wield miniguns and wear gas masks and also the Nazi's doom fortress that sounded like something more out of a Wolfenstein game. When has historical accuracy ever been a thing in these games? Also, as has been pointed out many times in this thread, there were women on the front lines of WWII. And I haven't watched the trailers, but going by your description, if the were forcing diversity down their throats the women would be all over the trailer and there would be pretty much nothing else. So yeah, I refer back to meninists ie closet 5 year olds worried about cooties.

 

[Satinavian]

whats next? Hitwoman instead of Hitman? or playing as Doom girl instead of DOOM slayer?

come on that wont work.

It would work.

Not only that, i am seriously baffled by those examples. Why shouldn't it work ?

 

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

there were pretty much no women in WW2

99.999% of all the infantry in WW2 were men

You can't just pick one thing I said and ignore the rest, buddy. These ''Entire units'' is still nothing compared to how many men there were.

So let's be clear on this: The official number of women who served in the Red Army was 800,00. Add to that a few hundred thousands that were active as partisans and you've got at least a million Soviet women that went under arms during WW2.
Compare to the Waffen-SS, the guys that appear every-fucking-where in WW2 games, who amounted to 900,000 total throughout the war, of which less then 400,000 served in the Panzer and Panzer-Grenadier Divisions that were high profile (the remaining 500,000 were anti-partisan units and foreign volunteers that often served as second rate forces).

So to put the perspective in: There were more Soviet women who went under arms in the Red Army and Partisan forces then there were Waffen-SS soldiers on all fronts of World War 2. Yet no one would ever consider suggesting that the Waffen-SS be omitted from a game that aims to portray WW2, because they are 'iconic' and 'historical' and stuff. Yes, women weren't often seen in infantry forces (though some got that assignment in the Red Army, it was only the Naval Infantry that didn't accept women), but there was plenty enough of them that served in other frontline roles. So yeah, when people suggest that the Waffen-SS were bit-players and should be omitted on the same grounds that they argue that women were bit-players and should be omitted, then I'll take that argument seriously.

 

[Avnger]

whats next? Hitwoman instead of Hitman? or playing as Doom girl instead of DOOM slayer?

come on that wont work.

It would work.

Not only that, i am seriously baffled by those examples. Why shouldn't it work ?

Because it would make his and a sadly large amount of others' "manly-man rage boners of masculine awesomeness" confused. If a game isn't only about them specifically, how are they supposed to understand it?

Besides, Mama always said them females have cooties.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

there were pretty much no women in WW2

99.999% of all the infantry in WW2 were men

You can't just pick one thing I said and ignore the rest, buddy. These ''Entire units'' is still nothing compared to how many men there were.

So let's be clear on this: The official number of women who served in the Red Army was 800,00. Add to that a few hundred thousands that were active as partisans and you've got at least a million Soviet women that went under arms during WW2.
Compare to the Waffen-SS, the guys that appear every-fucking-where in WW2 games, who amounted to 900,000 total throughout the war, of which less then 400,000 served in the Panzer and Panzer-Grenadier Divisions that were high profile (the remaining 500,000 were anti-partisan units and foreign volunteers that often served as second rate forces).

So to put the perspective in: There were more Soviet women who went under arms in the Red Army and Partisan forces then there were Waffen-SS soldiers on all fronts of World War 2. Yet no one would ever consider suggesting that the Waffen-SS be omitted from a game that aims to portray WW2, because they are 'iconic' and 'historical' and stuff. Yes, women weren't often seen in infantry forces (though some got that assignment in the Red Army, it was only the Naval Infantry that didn't accept women), but there was plenty enough of them that served in other frontline roles. So yeah, when people suggest that the Waffen-SS were bit-players and should be omitted on the same grounds that they argue that women were bit-players and should be omitted, then I'll take that argument seriously.

[link]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Russian_and_Soviet_military[/link]

''"Over 800,000 women served in the Soviet armed forces in World War II, mostly as medics and nurses, which is over 3 percent of total personnel;"

''in small numbers - as machine gunners, tank drivers.''

So not actual infantry, they were stationed medics and nurses and in very small numbers are machine gunners, tank drivers and snipers. Sorry, but women didn't play an even small part in the actual war but a very small part.

And even if Soviet had 800.000 female infantry it still wouldn't make sense to have women running around since they would only cover 3% of the entire Soviet army, much less so in western armies.

 

[Erttheking]

there were pretty much no women in WW2

99.999% of all the infantry in WW2 were men

You can't just pick one thing I said and ignore the rest, buddy. These ''Entire units'' is still nothing compared to how many men there were.

So let's be clear on this: The official number of women who served in the Red Army was 800,00. Add to that a few hundred thousands that were active as partisans and you've got at least a million Soviet women that went under arms during WW2.
Compare to the Waffen-SS, the guys that appear every-fucking-where in WW2 games, who amounted to 900,000 total throughout the war, of which less then 400,000 served in the Panzer and Panzer-Grenadier Divisions that were high profile (the remaining 500,000 were anti-partisan units and foreign volunteers that often served as second rate forces).

So to put the perspective in: There were more Soviet women who went under arms in the Red Army and Partisan forces then there were Waffen-SS soldiers on all fronts of World War 2. Yet no one would ever consider suggesting that the Waffen-SS be omitted from a game that aims to portray WW2, because they are 'iconic' and 'historical' and stuff. Yes, women weren't often seen in infantry forces (though some got that assignment in the Red Army, it was only the Naval Infantry that didn't accept women), but there was plenty enough of them that served in other frontline roles. So yeah, when people suggest that the Waffen-SS were bit-players and should be omitted on the same grounds that they argue that women were bit-players and should be omitted, then I'll take that argument seriously.

[link]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Russian_and_Soviet_military[/link]

''"Over 800,000 women served in the Soviet armed forces in World War II, mostly as medics and nurses, which is over 3 percent of total personnel;"

''in small numbers - as machine gunners, tank drivers.''

So not actual infantry, they were stationed medics and nurses and in very small numbers are machine gunners, tank drivers and snipers. Sorry, but women didn't play an even small part in the actual war but a very small part.

And even if Soviet had 800.000 female infantry it still wouldn't make sense to have women running around since they would only cover 3% of the entire Soviet army, much less so in western armies.

Congratulations on utterly missing the point she was making with the Waffen SS. Not a single word in your reply was actually dedicated to that. I find that telling.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

That is not a WWII game, it is at best a game with some WWII asthetics.

Just like every other spunkgargleweewee game set in WWII.

 

[Satinavian]

That is not a WWII game, it is at best a game with some WWII asthetics.

Just like every other spunkgargleweewee game set in WWII.

There are many WWII that aim for more, Of those that i actually played i would mention Panzer General, Aces over Europe, Silent Hunter, Great Naval Battles 2 : Guadalcanal or the more modern Hearts of Iron series.
Pretty much every single WWII game i know aims for more accuracy than this Battlefield stuff. But i admit that i wasn't paying much attention to WWII games in the last couple of years (or maybe decades).

 

[Erttheking]

That is not a WWII game, it is at best a game with some WWII asthetics.

Just like every other spunkgargleweewee game set in WWII.

There are many WWII that aim for more, Of those that i actually played i would mention Panzer General, Aces over Europe, Silent Hunter, Great Naval Battles 2 : Guadalcanal or the more modern Hearts of Iron series.
Pretty much every single WWII game i know aims for more accuracy than this Battlefield stuff. But i admit that i wasn't paying much attention to WWII games in the last couple of years (or maybe decades).

I'm guessing you missed the qualifier of spunk gargle wee wee, something that mainly refers to shooters. In shooters, this is pretty much the norm.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

That is not a WWII game, it is at best a game with some WWII asthetics.

Just like every other spunkgargleweewee game set in WWII.

There are many WWII that aim for more, Of those that i actually played i would mention Panzer General, Aces over Europe, Silent Hunter, Great Naval Battles 2 : Guadalcanal or the more modern Hearts of Iron series.
Pretty much every single WWII game i know aims for more accuracy than this Battlefield stuff. But i admit that i wasn't paying much attention to WWII games in the last couple of years (or maybe decades).

Did I not specifically specify what Yahtzee calls spunkgargleweewee ie the military shooter?
Also I forgot to mention that I think you got your Fronts mixed up. The WESTERN Front was where the Soviets fought, the EASTERN Front was where the the Brits, Canadians, and eventually the Americans fought.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

there were pretty much no women in WW2

99.999% of all the infantry in WW2 were men

You can't just pick one thing I said and ignore the rest, buddy. These ''Entire units'' is still nothing compared to how many men there were.

So let's be clear on this: The official number of women who served in the Red Army was 800,00. Add to that a few hundred thousands that were active as partisans and you've got at least a million Soviet women that went under arms during WW2.
Compare to the Waffen-SS, the guys that appear every-fucking-where in WW2 games, who amounted to 900,000 total throughout the war, of which less then 400,000 served in the Panzer and Panzer-Grenadier Divisions that were high profile (the remaining 500,000 were anti-partisan units and foreign volunteers that often served as second rate forces).

So to put the perspective in: There were more Soviet women who went under arms in the Red Army and Partisan forces then there were Waffen-SS soldiers on all fronts of World War 2. Yet no one would ever consider suggesting that the Waffen-SS be omitted from a game that aims to portray WW2, because they are 'iconic' and 'historical' and stuff. Yes, women weren't often seen in infantry forces (though some got that assignment in the Red Army, it was only the Naval Infantry that didn't accept women), but there was plenty enough of them that served in other frontline roles. So yeah, when people suggest that the Waffen-SS were bit-players and should be omitted on the same grounds that they argue that women were bit-players and should be omitted, then I'll take that argument seriously.

[link]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Russian_and_Soviet_military[/link]

''"Over 800,000 women served in the Soviet armed forces in World War II, mostly as medics and nurses, which is over 3 percent of total personnel;"

''in small numbers - as machine gunners, tank drivers.''

So not actual infantry, they were stationed medics and nurses and in very small numbers are machine gunners, tank drivers and snipers. Sorry, but women didn't play an even small part in the actual war but a very small part.

And even if Soviet had 800.000 female infantry it still wouldn't make sense to have women running around since they would only cover 3% of the entire Soviet army, much less so in western armies.

Congratulations on utterly missing the point she was making with the Waffen SS. Not a single word in your reply was actually dedicated to that. I find that telling.

It's irrelevant since there wasn't 1 million female combatants in Soviet during WW2. And like I said before even if there were it still doesn't justify having plenty of women in the western armies or even in the Soviet army.

How many female soldiers do you see in Saving Private Ryan? Band of Brothers? Oh, none? I guess they're super inaccurate films then when it comes to gender representation. Remember those WW2 vets that watched SPR and said it was the most realistic depiction of WW2? Remember when they asked where all the women were? No?

Also please tell me what multiplayer game let you play as Waffen SS? In what games do we see plenty of Waffen SS soldiers?