Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)

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SilentPony

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Knowing that the military being in control of elections isn't even legally possible, I wonder why so many people we so invested in arguing it with me...
Well because you're wrong and you deserve to be called out for it. Its like flat eathers - people know they're full of shit, but we still call them out for it.
 

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No they can't. Federal law prohibits deploying armed federal agents to polling places. And the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, prohibits the Army, Air Force, and, by regulation, the Navy and Marine Corps from enforcing domestic laws inside the United States.
Hmmm, not the coast guard (which nobody remembers), or Trump's new space force? Until he leaves office he's allowed to have his Space Marine forces running around?
 

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Fun meta game: leave this site for a few hours, come back, and guess how many pages have been added to this thread since you were last on.
 

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Fun meta game: leave this site for a few hours, come back, and guess how many pages have been added to this thread since you were last on.
It's about an average of 2 1/2 every 12 hours.
 

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Because, and these are the reasons given by the guy I talked to:

- They would not lie for their higher-ups. If they see something wrong, they are trained to say something about it. There is no equivalent concept of "the blue wall of silence" and covering for the mistakes of others.
The military, from what I understand, inculcates in its recruits a rigid and unquestioning deference to authority. Carrying out orders without questioning, suppressing one's own sense of morality. It's not the kind of working culture I would expect to lead to ultimate trustworthiness or responsibility. And, aside from this, take a look at the long (long) list of crimes committed by US servicemen on duty; so many times we see other servicemen either joining in, ignoring it, or jovially dismissing it. And the crimes keep happening. It is absolutely not a working culture I would trust with warfare, let alone domestic electoral politics. It needs root-and-stem reform.

- Intentionally committing fraud would mean you're getting punished, military style. Justice will be swift instead of these "no standing, case dismissed on technicality, we don't have authority to do anything" courts.
So without following established legal processes?

Yes. Because that, in their mind is "the enemy". We are not.
Kind of like how cops turning their guns on other cops and soldiers intentionally turning their guns on other soldiers is not a very pressing concern, because they aren't the enemy.
Numerous crimes have been committed by the US military against foreign civilians as well. Obviously, the consideration of who is actually the "enemy" gets blurred quite readily.

So why should we trust random Alice, Bob, and Charlie to run our elections? What makes them more trustworthy? What do you know about them? Nothing, right?
Well, they're not actually "random"-- they've had background checks and training. But, yeah, I know very little about them.

That's completely unavoidable. At least I know they haven't been trained in a brutal institution with a long criminal history, and at least I know they're not ultimately under the command of one of the two candidates in the election.
 

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That's completely unavoidable. At least I know they haven't been trained in a brutal institution with a long criminal history, and at least I know they're not ultimately under the command of one of the two candidates in the election.
Also, maybe its got way more to the fact that we shouldn't doxx people who work for the government? Because that seems like a terrible thing. See USB guy who gets death threats just for doing his job

Also, also it certainly would make rigging the election easier
 

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Numerous crimes have been committed by the US military against foreign civilians as well. Obviously, the consideration of who is actually the "enemy" gets blurred quite readily.
Was the US military involved in torturing US civilians caught overseas and not-actually-charged with terrorism? Or was that only foreign civilians (including US allies) and TLAs? Think so, but can't remember for sure.
 

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I had 10 pages on this thread one day in Nov
well, that was around the time the election results were coming in.

Anyway, guys January 5 and 6 are the home stretch of the election. we will see the winners of Georgia and Biden's presidential Position will be secure. well be a hell of a watch
 

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Knowing that the military being in control of elections isn't even legally possible, I wonder why so many people we so invested in arguing it with me...
"You're not so different, you and I..."
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Because the implication of arguing that the military should run the election is that the laws are changed so that they can, just like if anyone were to argue there should be single payer socialised healthcare it would require the laws of the land to be changed.

If the Constitution stated the military could not run the election, that would be a different matter because changing the Constitution is sufficiently difficult as to be considered not reasonably feasible without the direst need.
 

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My read of that was that he also knew its impossible/illegal for the Military to take over the election, and he thought he and I were arguing for the sake of it. Meaning he thinks we're both trolls. But I was arguing the principle of the matter, and I guess he was just trolling? If he was arguing the principle of it, he wouldn't have cared about the legality of it, like I didn't. I knew it was illegal, but I thought the conversation was over implementation/appropriateness of the military taking over. I guess he really is just here to troll.
 

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So without following established legal processes?
It would follow military legal processes. Established, yes. Different, also yes.

My read of that was that he also knew its impossible/illegal for the Military to take over the election, and he thought he and I were arguing for the sake of it. Meaning he thinks we're both trolls.
The definition of "troll" seemed to have changed, since I was a kid, from "intentionally trying to annoy others" to "one who argues for the sake of it".


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He is, and I and many others have pointed it out dozens of pages ago. He's not worth engaging honestly; just insult him as he deserves and move on.
One of the few times I have took him off of ignore, he said he does this for fun. Another time, he says he has no stakes in this but will argue for something like it was his life on the line.

Why look at that and go "But THESE facts and logic will get through to him!!"?
 

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It would follow military legal processes. Established, yes. Different, also yes.



The definition of "troll" seemed to have changed, since I was a kid, from "intentionally trying to annoy others" to "one who argues for the sake of it".


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You do realize 50% of the US population lives in like 20-25 counties, right?

Also, I "love" the implicit sexism in the table. Fits perfectly with you.
 

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Also, I love the implicit sexism in the table
Because of "Side of Beef"? That's has nothing to do with Hillary being female. It refers to the time that she was unstable on her feet and had to be tossed into the back of her vehicle like a side of beef


 
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