Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)

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Mister Mumbler

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So there was another protest at the counting office tonight and none other than that shithead Alex Jones showed up to give a speech. I'm actually starting to get worried here honestly.
 

Dwarvenhobble

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I mean, the complete opposite is true. Nice investigation, though. Cracked the case and everything

But you do you. If you don’t want to find out about what they claim, that’s fine
Again I literally pointed out Jim Sterling has been just bringing up J.K.Rowling being a terf in recent videos. No actual discussion of her viewpoints.

But hey no-one is just saying J.K. Rowling is a Terf right ?


Right


I mean that would be silly


As you say everyone is only ever bringing up her points not just calling her a Terf


I mean it's not like I can keep posting example


after example

https://twitter.com/RustyShackleman/status/1323868761053523968?s=20

after example

https://twitter.com/mjcbarnes/status/1323814119481335808?s=20

and there just being far more than I could ever

https://twitter.com/amluv_/status/1323016973031190533?s=20

realistically

https://twitter.com/nbouscal/status/1321776128210751488?s=20

include here

https://twitter.com/HerMajestyAri/status/1322335909640101889?s=20
 

Dwarvenhobble

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Well, the Trans Exclusionary part is pretty clear cut. I was a bit dubious about the RadFem bit, but she does quote Andrea Dworkin.

Less flippantly. I am a bit dubious about associating transphobia with Radical Feminism. TERFs certainly do exist, but you don't have to be Trans Exclusionary to be a Radical Feminist, nor do you need to be a Radical Feminism to be Trans Exclusionary.
Oddly it's really not clear cut because I'm sure if people had an actual conversation with J.K. Rowling they'd find that she holds fairly nuanced views and would probably consider what is often referred to as "Socially transitioned" people as perfectly fine but have a bit of an issue with people who call themselves I don't know "Secret Gamer Gril" online and claim to be Trans when it's revealed they're actually a Bald guy with a big bushy beard called Brian wanting to use women's bathrooms.
 

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I mean, the complete opposite is true. Nice investigation, though. Cracked the case and everything

But you do you. If you don’t want to find out about what they claim, that’s fine
The citizens of terf island are easily offended
 

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if people had an actual conversation with J.K. Rowling they'd find that she holds fairly nuanced views
have a bit of an issue with people who call themselves I don't know "Secret Gamer Gril" online and claim to be Trans when it's revealed they're actually a Bald guy with a big bushy beard called Brian wanting to use women's bathrooms.
Yes, this is just oozing nuance.
 

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Again I literally pointed out Jim Sterling has been just bringing up J.K.Rowling being a terf in recent videos. No actual discussion of her viewpoints.

But hey no-one is just saying J.K. Rowling is a Terf right ?


Right


I mean that would be silly


As you say everyone is only ever bringing up her points not just calling her a Terf


I mean it's not like I can keep posting example


after example

https://twitter.com/RustyShackleman/status/1323868761053523968?s=20

after example

https://twitter.com/mjcbarnes/status/1323814119481335808?s=20

and there just being far more than I could ever

https://twitter.com/amluv_/status/1323016973031190533?s=20

realistically

https://twitter.com/nbouscal/status/1321776128210751488?s=20

include here

https://twitter.com/HerMajestyAri/status/1322335909640101889?s=20
Is there a definition for the term TERF?

Have people prosecuted why they think Rowling fits this definition of TERF?

Do you have to ligate this case EVERY time you use the word TERF? Because you gonna have to change reality for that to be a thing. Generally, people litigate the case once and continue on with their lives.
 

Dwarvenhobble

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Is there a definition for the term TERF?

Have people prosecuted why they think Rowling fits this definition of TERF?

Do you have to ligate this case EVERY time you use the word TERF? Because you gonna have to change reality for that to be a thing. Generally, people litigate the case once and continue on with their lives.
Yes there is


Have people said why? Not in most cases they just throw the term out their. You could go ask them if you want.

Do I want to have to litigate each case?

No but you will have to do if you wish to argue they don't count to proving my point of people just throwing the term out there rather than talking about what she actually said lol.
 

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4) Refusing to solve something people see as an issue just because the other party supports it doesn't help either it lets them paint one side as for it because they're fighting to block it?

How hard is this?

"Do you think Sharia Law is good?"

"No"

"Care to help make it illegal to be implemented?"

"Yes"

"Right next issue"

Pick your battles and hills to die on, especially in cases where so called "progressives" should see the thing as absolutely a bill in like with most values because Sharia Law certainly isn't in line with "progressive" values as a concept.
If you make an explicitly anti-Muslim law when Muslims do not pose a threat in any way, shape, or form in any version of reality, that is bigoted bullshit. For fuck's sake, Sharia Law means "Law Law". It wasn't even framed as a ban on religious laws, which I'd be fine with. That Bullock was willing to call bullshit for what it was doesn't make him a progressive. He's one of those "reach across the aisle" moderate liberals for fucks sake
 
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