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Given you were supplied articles saying Trump was using (other) music without permission, I'm inclined to say you're not being very constructive about it. That you go on to argue that using someone's music without permission isn't illegal up until the moment a judge officially says so rather reinforces the sense of not having a substantive point.
If Joe wins, I really hope libcucks will be as harsh with him as they are against Donald. Where were they when Obama was deporting everyone and he was doing drone strikes?
One could hope that he'd not be as bad as Trump and thus not deserve the same amount of harshness, but otherwise yeah.
I do seem to recall some leftwing members of the forum pointing out concerns and complaints with Biden in the past, though.
I never saw main stream news yelling at Obama for doing Republican like stuff. That's one of the reasons why no one trusts the news and leftys.
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After Trumps disastrous 60 Minutes Interview, You have to love that Trump had his press Secretary hand Lesley Stahl a huge pile of nothing and called it a healthcare plan, that after they went through said it contained everything except a healthcare plan. Executive orders are just guidelines and are not laws, Only congress can make laws. Executive orders are not enforceable at all and are useless to actual providers.
People also need to understand they are asking the wrong question here. People keep asking " will preexisting conditions be covered" but that allows for the same catch 22 that existed before the Affordable Care act. Insurers WOULD cover preexisting conditions, they just charge so much to do so that the people who are sick cannot afford to pay for them, so they are still without coverage. The most important part of the ACA was the " Obamacare Subsidies" that the GOP want gone more than anything else, and those subsidies are the ONLY thing that allows for those with preexisting conditions to have AFFORDABLE healthcare. Without the subsidies, insurers can charge and WERE charging $3,000, $5,000+ a month for their insurance premiums to cover sick patients making it so those who were the most in need for care could not afford it. A lapse in coverage for the most vulnerable is a life threatening situation that has to be avoided or they will die. If you remove their only access to AFFORDABLE medication and treatment, they are not able to wait, days, weeks or months for something better to kick in and have to be covered from day one of any changes made to prevent deaths.
The question that should be asked here is " If you remove the Obamacare subsidies that are keeping premiums, deductibles and copays affordable for those with preexisting conditions, how will you guarantee that those with preexisting conditions will still be able to afford their health insurance and still be able to receive the regular care they need from their current primary care physicians without any lapse in coverage?"
I keep seeing them ask questions that give the GOP an out to screw people over. They have to start asking the right questions here to keep that from happening. The " high risk pools" they have in some GOP plans do not do that either. THOSE are actually the " death lottery" as they pick who lives and who dies and they do not even receive regular care as they are now. It is horrific tbh. Makes you feel like you are waiting to be picked for the hunger games and people still have to try and maneuver to stay alive because even if you are picked by the high risk pools to live, you still have to figure out most of how you access regular care on your own trying to beg borrow and plead for free care, charity care and begging for funding, The High risk pools just covers a specific surgery or treatment here and there, but not actual regular healthcare. It is nightmarish tbh. It makes both providers and patients fearful of if they will live from one day to the next.
People also need to understand they are asking the wrong question here. People keep asking " will preexisting conditions be covered" but that allows for the same catch 22 that existed before the Affordable Care act. Insurers WOULD cover preexisting conditions, they just charge so much to do so that the people who are sick cannot afford to pay for them, so they are still without coverage. The most important part of the ACA was the " Obamacare Subsidies" that the GOP want gone more than anything else, and those subsidies are the ONLY thing that allows for those with preexisting conditions to have AFFORDABLE healthcare. Without the subsidies, insurers can charge and WERE charging $3,000, $5,000+ a month for their insurance premiums to cover sick patients making it so those who were the most in need for care could not afford it. A lapse in coverage for the most vulnerable is a life threatening situation that has to be avoided or they will die. If you remove their only access to AFFORDABLE medication and treatment, they are not able to wait, days, weeks or months for something better to kick in and have to be covered from day one of any changes made to prevent deaths.
The question that should be asked here is " If you remove the Obamacare subsidies that are keeping premiums, deductibles and copays affordable for those with preexisting conditions, how will you guarantee that those with preexisting conditions will still be able to afford their health insurance and still be able to receive the regular care they need from their current primary care physicians without any lapse in coverage?"
I keep seeing them ask questions that give the GOP an out to screw people over. They have to start asking the right questions here to keep that from happening. The " high risk pools" they have in some GOP plans do not do that either. THOSE are actually the " death lottery" as they pick who lives and who dies and they do not even receive regular care as they are now. It is horrific tbh. Makes you feel like you are waiting to be picked for the hunger games and people still have to try and maneuver to stay alive because even if you are picked by the high risk pools to live, you still have to figure out most of how you access regular care on your own trying to beg borrow and plead for free care, charity care and begging for funding, The High risk pools just covers a specific surgery or treatment here and there, but not actual regular healthcare. It is nightmarish tbh. It makes both providers and patients fearful of if they will live from one day to the next.
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So like how exactly did Joe get the nomination? He sorta disappeared in the first 2 months and didn't say much about his policies. And then all of the sudden, he was outdoing most of the other candidates. Where was the youth vote to balance out the boomer vote? He just yells that he won since he wasn't a commie and a socialist like the other democrats. But even then, voters should have realized his senile mind.
He won because the youth vote didn't show up and the Boomers ALWAYS do. Boomers are ALSO the anti socialist/ anti commies, so he is right there. Boomers are used to old brains so he gets a pass on that from them as well. Boomers are what are needed for him to flip the districts needed to win as well.
Mike Pence probably has the virus, but they told him to keep campaigning in order to not show weakness.
Yeah, but the youth would do anything for Bernie. It didn't feel like he got that much hype as in 2016.
I think that is highly likely considering Trump's plan here. Mark Meadows keeps getting in trouble for telling the truth, but he is not wrong when he says their plan is to do nothing about COVID-19 and just let the people die tbh.
They SAID they would do anything for Bernie, then they slept through the primaries. That was the problem. If they had actually shown up for the primaries and not blown it off, Bernie likely could have had it. Sadly, they were all talk and no action as usual. He didn't get the hype because some of his base abandoned him after 2016 when he told them to vote for Hillary and they instead voted for Trump or sat out screwing everyone over. You also had more people to spilt the support this time. Some of Bernie's support went to Yang, Warren and Buttigieg, though Buttigieg didn't deserve it because his policies and plans sucked.
Yeah, I had to learn how bad Obama was from Vice and Vox. VOX for Christ sake. (Post 2012 was a weird place. )Because a bunch of MSM was sucking his dick and Fox made crap up Instead of pointing out the actual bad stuff he did
There was also questionable shit pulled by The Democrats right before Super Tuesday (specifically every non-Progressive democrat dropping out of the race just before Super Tuesday even when many of them were still well within contention) that basically narrowed the Liberal vote to Joe Biden where the Leftists vote got split between Sanders and Warren.
Nothing the Democrats did there was illegal in this but there's a reason so many Leftists are pissed off and feel that the only way to break away from Centrists like Biden who won't do shit to actually fix our problems (just throw Band-Aids on them like Obamacare) is to let The Democratic party burn. Joe Biden soared because the DNC rallied around him as "The Guy" and gave Centrist voters only one choice instead of letting Democracy do it's thing and let people actually get to choose between the candidates who they wanted.
I don't think "nothing will fundamentally change" is a platform that will satisfy progressives, mmyes.
Coming back to pre-Trump politics doesn't seem like an option, if people on the Left most critical about Biden are serious.
While i don't think "pushing Biden left" can be achieved through parliamentary means, keeping the pressure on, and treating his administration similarly harsh as Trump's might take some effect.
Anything except vote apparently...
The youth vote though really didn't even show up at all though. The numbers were just not there. Warren's voters went to Biden rather than to Bernie:
Biden, not Sanders, gains in popularity after Warren drops out: Reuters/Ipsos poll
Elizabeth Warren's departure from the Democratic presidential race appears to have benefited front-runner Joe Biden more than Bernie Sanders, her liberal ally on many issues, according to a Reuters/Ipsos national opinion poll released on Monday.
www.reuters.com
The goal with actually making the changes necessary to the Affordable care act to make it work better for people is to be the next step necessary to be able to shift more to the public option later. Once we have more actually USIING the public option, it makes the case to just turn it into M4A later. We do not yet have that foundation set is the problem here. The MOST vital part of this is to not only make sure we keep the existing Obamacare subsidies in place, but we instead EXPAND them so that we CAN shift people to a more tax payer funded system. If The ACA gets repealed, it will be even more difficult for us to shift to a M4A system at all. Much of our congress still will not vote for it, and with the now super conservative supreme court, any attempt to do so will be likely easily be struck down by the court. If they remove the existing Obamacare subsidies without already having a tax payer option in place, people will die. Likely myself and multiple of my family members included due to the costs of the costs of medication and insurance without those subsidies in place. There simply are no other existing options and people like myself that are depending on those medications to stay alive every single day cannot go without them for any amount of time.
I think it is actually really easy to push Biden left. He will let Congress do it's thing. If the progressives can get it passed through congress, Biden will sign it. He is not going to oppose it if democrats manage to pass it. The BIGGEST difference between Biden and Trump, is that Biden doesn't feel the need to " meddle". He is pretty easy going. He isn't going to go out of his way to overly influence congress like Trump has. Instead, he is going to let democrats sort it out and he agree to whatever they agree to in the end. Biden isn't an "obstacle" in the way that McConnell, Trump, or the Blue Dogs are. Progressive's obstacles are in congress, rather than the white house if Biden wins.
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