Mr. Croshaw, your interpretation of the source material really does make Ninja Theory look like a horde of drooling idiots by comparison. I know you design games independently, but have you ever tried to break into the business of the big-budget productions? I'm sure there would be a few developers willing to give you a shot.
Enslaved As It Should Have Been
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That idea actually sounds pretty good, though I'm not sure I would want Ninja Theory developing it.
It actually sounds like it has a fair bit in common with Mass Effect and it's ilk. Character driven storytelling, traveling a vast space world, gathering a team of other characters as the game goes on...
It actually sounds like it has a fair bit in common with Mass Effect and it's ilk. Character driven storytelling, traveling a vast space world, gathering a team of other characters as the game goes on...
Journey to the west has already been made into a squillion games already, via toriyama's damn near endless dragonball (i'm not sure the monkey ever actually made it west) and its many many many many adaptions. A very loose, sort of scifi reworking it may be, but sounds a whole lot closer than Enslaved.
All the same, I'll throw my coin in the wishing well to say - yes, I'd give that game a punt. It sounds like a promising idea, particularly for something brewed up in a few moments for a magazine-website column. Not sure if it would be "play the shit out of" (though that was my initial sentiment), but it could be if it was any good.
All the same, I'll throw my coin in the wishing well to say - yes, I'd give that game a punt. It sounds like a promising idea, particularly for something brewed up in a few moments for a magazine-website column. Not sure if it would be "play the shit out of" (though that was my initial sentiment), but it could be if it was any good.
I hope Bioware makes a story about this. Anyway, the article was interesting and addressed important points that I myself have been pondering on.
Companies only seem to go after specific well-known titles without any regard to actually go after the source material. Although I think a good explanation was given by Red Letter Media's Star Trek remake review. Due to the vast flooding of media in recent decades getting a profitable foothold is an extremely difficult task.
By using a brand that's more recognisable by people from a time where the few products made were remembered simply beacuse of a not-as expanded industry as today it is likely easier to quickly gain attention, which is critical today as such projects are enormously expensive. One mistake and you risk being crushed by the high-budget competition and increasingly fastidious audience who's mere attention requires tireless marketing which is also an expensive venture.
It's nobody's fault. It's simply put a side-effect from globalization and explosive economic growth to billions of people world-wide.
Companies only seem to go after specific well-known titles without any regard to actually go after the source material. Although I think a good explanation was given by Red Letter Media's Star Trek remake review. Due to the vast flooding of media in recent decades getting a profitable foothold is an extremely difficult task.
By using a brand that's more recognisable by people from a time where the few products made were remembered simply beacuse of a not-as expanded industry as today it is likely easier to quickly gain attention, which is critical today as such projects are enormously expensive. One mistake and you risk being crushed by the high-budget competition and increasingly fastidious audience who's mere attention requires tireless marketing which is also an expensive venture.
It's nobody's fault. It's simply put a side-effect from globalization and explosive economic growth to billions of people world-wide.
Yeah that's sometimes true but monkeys body type matches his fighting style and the way he moves. He looks like a taller (almost as italian) version of my boxing instructor and he's the second faster person i've ever met.InterAirplay said:
Monkeys muscles actually apear functional (he's not Chris redfield) to the point that i'd wager the character designer had an impressive knowledge of anatomy.
Hmmm I'd give yahtzee's Idea a try if he ever made that game. IDK just looking at Journey to the West and hearing the plot points made me say "Fuck all! Better find something else to pass the time till Killzone 3 or Metal Gear Rising comes out"
Alright, I'm sold. Who do I give me money too?Yahtzee said:
Needless to say, I like having a whole world/universe to explore in a game.
'Inspired by' should probably still command some understanding of the source material.The Arbiter of Cool said:
This is more like saying your game is inspired by Portal because you make a joke about the cake being a lie.
I really like your game suggestion; however, Ninja Theory's adaptation wasn't gray, which yours undoubtedly would be (unless you try selling a new "Orange Robot" interpretation).
That being said, Enslaved is suppose to be a very good game with great acting and writing regardless of how much they stray away from the original tale. Too bad there isn't much content (just an 8-10 hour campaign). Also, where's the advertising for it? I haven't seen a single commercial.
That being said, Enslaved is suppose to be a very good game with great acting and writing regardless of how much they stray away from the original tale. Too bad there isn't much content (just an 8-10 hour campaign). Also, where's the advertising for it? I haven't seen a single commercial.
Yahtzee's opinion is stupid.
He rambles on and on about how the game is different from the original story (then outs himself as a hypocrite by saying he has never read it) and complains about the design of the character designs and personalities.
What he doesn't talk about is that this game is called Enslaved: Odyssey of the West. ODYSSEY.
The point of an odyssey is to take to interesting places, introduce you to interesting settings, draw you in with likable aspects and enrich you. An odyssey is a journey. Ninja Theory did things right in that regard.
He also neglects to comment on the artistic value of the game. The sheer amount of detail that went into the visuals is stunning. Vibrant colors with both rhyme AND reason. The game was beautiful. The game was art.
Yahtzee's idea for an "improvement" for the game sounds entirely contrived on the spot with little to no thought put into it. I should know, I do that kind of shit everyday when I have a few minutes to spare.
Also, the reason Trip wears a baby doll tee is because I can only assume that the Earth she lives in is HOT AS FUCK. Seriously, New York has become a fucking tropical forest. Why do you think Monkey never wears a shirt? Sex-appeal is a factor, yes, but there is a REASON for it.
As for Yahtzee's comment on Monkey's size, I can only say this: THAT IS HOW A REAL MAN LOOKS. Not like us pasty fucks sitting at our keyboards.
He rambles on and on about how the game is different from the original story (then outs himself as a hypocrite by saying he has never read it) and complains about the design of the character designs and personalities.
What he doesn't talk about is that this game is called Enslaved: Odyssey of the West. ODYSSEY.
The point of an odyssey is to take to interesting places, introduce you to interesting settings, draw you in with likable aspects and enrich you. An odyssey is a journey. Ninja Theory did things right in that regard.
He also neglects to comment on the artistic value of the game. The sheer amount of detail that went into the visuals is stunning. Vibrant colors with both rhyme AND reason. The game was beautiful. The game was art.
Yahtzee's idea for an "improvement" for the game sounds entirely contrived on the spot with little to no thought put into it. I should know, I do that kind of shit everyday when I have a few minutes to spare.
Also, the reason Trip wears a baby doll tee is because I can only assume that the Earth she lives in is HOT AS FUCK. Seriously, New York has become a fucking tropical forest. Why do you think Monkey never wears a shirt? Sex-appeal is a factor, yes, but there is a REASON for it.
As for Yahtzee's comment on Monkey's size, I can only say this: THAT IS HOW A REAL MAN LOOKS. Not like us pasty fucks sitting at our keyboards.
How about we just make a Journey to the West game thats based on Journey to the West that's set in ancient China?
Want to dumb it down for the general public? A Buddhist Monk, a Monkey god, a Kappa and a Pig team up to beat the living shit out of demons.
Seriously how does everyone keep forgetting Sandy and Pig? sure they didn't START the journey but they joined up and were important.
There are demons who all want to eat the Buddhist because eating his flesh will give him enlightenment. There's your enemy group, you can do this Action RPG style or you can do it as just an action game where you swap who your using with the press of a button.
Want to dumb it down for the general public? A Buddhist Monk, a Monkey god, a Kappa and a Pig team up to beat the living shit out of demons.
Seriously how does everyone keep forgetting Sandy and Pig? sure they didn't START the journey but they joined up and were important.
There are demons who all want to eat the Buddhist because eating his flesh will give him enlightenment. There's your enemy group, you can do this Action RPG style or you can do it as just an action game where you swap who your using with the press of a button.
This EP is proof that Yahtzee shouldn't just spend his time ripping other people's games a new one; he should be making games himself. No, I don't mean those little retro indie games he's making. He should just concentrate on the story and leave the level design and coding to trained people.
I haven't played the game, but I would like to say that Yatzhee got "Enslaved" all wrong.
"Enslaved" is not an adaptation of "Journey to the West." It was INSPIRED by "Journey to the West." The maker of the game got the idea of someone using a headband to discipline a powerful guy from "Journey to the West," but that's it. It's the same way that George Lucas got the idea of a son going to fight an evil overlord that happens to be his own father from the Old Greek legend of Zeus vs. Kronos. It doesn't mean that "Star Wars" was an adaptation of that legend or that Obi-Wan was an adaptation of Merlin or that the Jedi were an adaptation of the samurai. They were just INSPIRED by these things.
BTW I know that these things were inspirations and not adaptations because I read an article on enslaved that talked about it, and I once owned a Dorling Kindersley (DK) book that goes over all of the mythological inspirations for the things in Star Wars.
"Enslaved" is not an adaptation of "Journey to the West." It was INSPIRED by "Journey to the West." The maker of the game got the idea of someone using a headband to discipline a powerful guy from "Journey to the West," but that's it. It's the same way that George Lucas got the idea of a son going to fight an evil overlord that happens to be his own father from the Old Greek legend of Zeus vs. Kronos. It doesn't mean that "Star Wars" was an adaptation of that legend or that Obi-Wan was an adaptation of Merlin or that the Jedi were an adaptation of the samurai. They were just INSPIRED by these things.
BTW I know that these things were inspirations and not adaptations because I read an article on enslaved that talked about it, and I once owned a Dorling Kindersley (DK) book that goes over all of the mythological inspirations for the things in Star Wars.