Enslaved As It Should Have Been
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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Alright, I'm sold. Who do I give me money too?Yahtzee said:
Needless to say, I like having a whole world/universe to explore in a game.
'Inspired by' should probably still command some understanding of the source material.The Arbiter of Cool said:
This is more like saying your game is inspired by Portal because you make a joke about the cake being a lie.
I really like your game suggestion; however, Ninja Theory's adaptation wasn't gray, which yours undoubtedly would be (unless you try selling a new "Orange Robot" interpretation).
That being said, Enslaved is suppose to be a very good game with great acting and writing regardless of how much they stray away from the original tale. Too bad there isn't much content (just an 8-10 hour campaign). Also, where's the advertising for it? I haven't seen a single commercial.
That being said, Enslaved is suppose to be a very good game with great acting and writing regardless of how much they stray away from the original tale. Too bad there isn't much content (just an 8-10 hour campaign). Also, where's the advertising for it? I haven't seen a single commercial.
Yahtzee's opinion is stupid.
He rambles on and on about how the game is different from the original story (then outs himself as a hypocrite by saying he has never read it) and complains about the design of the character designs and personalities.
What he doesn't talk about is that this game is called Enslaved: Odyssey of the West. ODYSSEY.
The point of an odyssey is to take to interesting places, introduce you to interesting settings, draw you in with likable aspects and enrich you. An odyssey is a journey. Ninja Theory did things right in that regard.
He also neglects to comment on the artistic value of the game. The sheer amount of detail that went into the visuals is stunning. Vibrant colors with both rhyme AND reason. The game was beautiful. The game was art.
Yahtzee's idea for an "improvement" for the game sounds entirely contrived on the spot with little to no thought put into it. I should know, I do that kind of shit everyday when I have a few minutes to spare.
Also, the reason Trip wears a baby doll tee is because I can only assume that the Earth she lives in is HOT AS FUCK. Seriously, New York has become a fucking tropical forest. Why do you think Monkey never wears a shirt? Sex-appeal is a factor, yes, but there is a REASON for it.
As for Yahtzee's comment on Monkey's size, I can only say this: THAT IS HOW A REAL MAN LOOKS. Not like us pasty fucks sitting at our keyboards.
He rambles on and on about how the game is different from the original story (then outs himself as a hypocrite by saying he has never read it) and complains about the design of the character designs and personalities.
What he doesn't talk about is that this game is called Enslaved: Odyssey of the West. ODYSSEY.
The point of an odyssey is to take to interesting places, introduce you to interesting settings, draw you in with likable aspects and enrich you. An odyssey is a journey. Ninja Theory did things right in that regard.
He also neglects to comment on the artistic value of the game. The sheer amount of detail that went into the visuals is stunning. Vibrant colors with both rhyme AND reason. The game was beautiful. The game was art.
Yahtzee's idea for an "improvement" for the game sounds entirely contrived on the spot with little to no thought put into it. I should know, I do that kind of shit everyday when I have a few minutes to spare.
Also, the reason Trip wears a baby doll tee is because I can only assume that the Earth she lives in is HOT AS FUCK. Seriously, New York has become a fucking tropical forest. Why do you think Monkey never wears a shirt? Sex-appeal is a factor, yes, but there is a REASON for it.
As for Yahtzee's comment on Monkey's size, I can only say this: THAT IS HOW A REAL MAN LOOKS. Not like us pasty fucks sitting at our keyboards.
How about we just make a Journey to the West game thats based on Journey to the West that's set in ancient China?
Want to dumb it down for the general public? A Buddhist Monk, a Monkey god, a Kappa and a Pig team up to beat the living shit out of demons.
Seriously how does everyone keep forgetting Sandy and Pig? sure they didn't START the journey but they joined up and were important.
There are demons who all want to eat the Buddhist because eating his flesh will give him enlightenment. There's your enemy group, you can do this Action RPG style or you can do it as just an action game where you swap who your using with the press of a button.
Want to dumb it down for the general public? A Buddhist Monk, a Monkey god, a Kappa and a Pig team up to beat the living shit out of demons.
Seriously how does everyone keep forgetting Sandy and Pig? sure they didn't START the journey but they joined up and were important.
There are demons who all want to eat the Buddhist because eating his flesh will give him enlightenment. There's your enemy group, you can do this Action RPG style or you can do it as just an action game where you swap who your using with the press of a button.
This EP is proof that Yahtzee shouldn't just spend his time ripping other people's games a new one; he should be making games himself. No, I don't mean those little retro indie games he's making. He should just concentrate on the story and leave the level design and coding to trained people.
I haven't played the game, but I would like to say that Yatzhee got "Enslaved" all wrong.
"Enslaved" is not an adaptation of "Journey to the West." It was INSPIRED by "Journey to the West." The maker of the game got the idea of someone using a headband to discipline a powerful guy from "Journey to the West," but that's it. It's the same way that George Lucas got the idea of a son going to fight an evil overlord that happens to be his own father from the Old Greek legend of Zeus vs. Kronos. It doesn't mean that "Star Wars" was an adaptation of that legend or that Obi-Wan was an adaptation of Merlin or that the Jedi were an adaptation of the samurai. They were just INSPIRED by these things.
BTW I know that these things were inspirations and not adaptations because I read an article on enslaved that talked about it, and I once owned a Dorling Kindersley (DK) book that goes over all of the mythological inspirations for the things in Star Wars.
"Enslaved" is not an adaptation of "Journey to the West." It was INSPIRED by "Journey to the West." The maker of the game got the idea of someone using a headband to discipline a powerful guy from "Journey to the West," but that's it. It's the same way that George Lucas got the idea of a son going to fight an evil overlord that happens to be his own father from the Old Greek legend of Zeus vs. Kronos. It doesn't mean that "Star Wars" was an adaptation of that legend or that Obi-Wan was an adaptation of Merlin or that the Jedi were an adaptation of the samurai. They were just INSPIRED by these things.
BTW I know that these things were inspirations and not adaptations because I read an article on enslaved that talked about it, and I once owned a Dorling Kindersley (DK) book that goes over all of the mythological inspirations for the things in Star Wars.
I'm with you on the first paragraph. That's a genuinely good idea. The rest... needs some work. It's a good start though, I'll give you that.
It may have been mentioned already, but there is actually a pretty nice softball adaptation of journey to the west called Sayuki for PS1. It's basically a Final Fantasy Tactics-game using the basics of the epic. The characters are softened quite a bit though.
It may have been mentioned already, but there is actually a pretty nice softball adaptation of journey to the west called Sayuki for PS1. It's basically a Final Fantasy Tactics-game using the basics of the epic. The characters are softened quite a bit though.
I just noticed something, some people in here said the following lines more or less:
"Yahtzee's game idea wasn't that good. Perhaps he didn't explain it well enough, or it was short, but I really didn't 'feel' it at all. It sounds like I will enjoy Enslaved: Odyssey to the West more."
It's funny how people who didn't even play the game, are commenting if Yahtzee's idea is better or not...bloody buffoons.
"Yahtzee's game idea wasn't that good. Perhaps he didn't explain it well enough, or it was short, but I really didn't 'feel' it at all. It sounds like I will enjoy Enslaved: Odyssey to the West more."
It's funny how people who didn't even play the game, are commenting if Yahtzee's idea is better or not...bloody buffoons.
I think it's more based on the old TV show Monkey than the original story since both had females as the ones enslaving Monkey.
It was a lot more common in the 80s, most likely because i) the whole decade was on a sci-fi kick thanks to Star Wars, both the movies and Ronald Reagan's crazy lasers in space ideas, and ii) it was easier to make appealing looking robot characters with the crude and boxy graphics at the time. So we had Robotron 2084, Vectorman, Ninja Warriors, the really bad Commodore 64 Transformers game, Alien Storm, some of the Phantasy Star games, and Mega Man.Oyster^^ said:
How does Yahtzee manage to come up with better ideas in a few minutes of thinking for free than "professional" game designers can come up with years of effort and multi-million dollar budgets?
Not even. Yes, Tripitaka was played by a woman in the classic Monkey TV series. No, he was still a man, just an effeminate-looking one. And no, he did not wear a midriff-baring top.SL33TBL1ND said:
Personally, I think Yahtzee's game sounds better than Enslaved, and while I haven't read the original "Journey to the West", I have read a fair bit about Sun Wukong- The Monkey King born out of a stone monkey exposed to the rays of heaven. And personally, my favorite non-close adaptation had to be Gensomaden Saiyuki with all four main characters re-imagined as hot guys and Tripitaka as a "can take care of himself with the Sutra he guards" Buddhist priest known as a Sanzo or Sanzou Priest. He also has a short temper and wields the 500 pound comedy paper fan (His favorite phrase being "Do you want to DIE?"), but I quite shamelessly enjoyed it.
They did. It ended being called Donkey Kong.Mullahgrrl said:
On topic, I like Yahtzee's idea more than Enslaved. Mostly because I like robots, jet-packs and outer space. He hit all of those key areas. Sub areas include puzzles, planetary exploration and JTTW (which I actually have read (somewhat) and do like). He hit those too. Too bad this is the online equivalent to me and my friends hanging around pitching ideas to each other and nothing will ever come of it despite how obviously better it was than the slop being fed to us by the industry.
Nothing much to say other than that...
Ninja Theory sucks...
DmC will probably be utter shite...