Epic: 360 Has Yet To Reach Its Limits

[bad rider]

One- Theres always going to be a better looking game. Some day even crysis will be surpassed.
Two - ... Epic are a bright as the characters in their games.

Difference is that it won't be surpassed on an NESI said what now?

But then when they'll do that and you'll say, yeah but they can't push it any futher prove it to me. And then they will and then you'll be like, then they will, then you'll be like then they will........

I never said they can't push any further, I'm just saying to prove it to us. It's useless to tell us "Oh, we can still push the 360 further!" if you don't have the evidence to prove it. I absolutely despise anyone who says "Graphics aren't going to get much better" or "There's no point in these crazy ass hardware powers" or something similar.

All I'm saying is if the 360 can be pushed further, do it, don't bother telling us because all we'll hear is some fanboy going around yelling "WE'RE DAH BEST WE CAN DO EVEN MOAR!" instead of showing the money.

You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk? And more importantly, walk and talk? And more more importantly, walk and chew bubble gum?

My point is you can't prove it! It happens without warning. When you use a different engines you can start pushing towards more power like when epic started using the new unreal engine. Shouting you can't prove it is ridiculous, because you can't. If we could bring out the ultimate software for something then we would have, but as we can see through semi constant improvements and researches there is always more to push.

Right. So you also can't say its possible without having said new engine in place that actually allows them to use the 360 better, cause otherwise we have to assume it doesn't exist. Unless we see the more effective juicer, we have to assume that an apple has no more juice in it.

But what if the afforementioned juicer isn't being used properly and has a ultra super mode that requires pushiing a big red button that they overlooked? (abusing the analogy? Yes, yes I am)

 

[bad rider]

One- Theres always going to be a better looking game. Some day even crysis will be surpassed.
Two - ... Epic are a bright as the characters in their games.

Difference is that it won't be surpassed on an NESI said what now?

But then when they'll do that and you'll say, yeah but they can't push it any futher prove it to me. And then they will and then you'll be like, then they will, then you'll be like then they will........

I never said they can't push any further, I'm just saying to prove it to us. It's useless to tell us "Oh, we can still push the 360 further!" if you don't have the evidence to prove it. I absolutely despise anyone who says "Graphics aren't going to get much better" or "There's no point in these crazy ass hardware powers" or something similar.

All I'm saying is if the 360 can be pushed further, do it, don't bother telling us because all we'll hear is some fanboy going around yelling "WE'RE DAH BEST WE CAN DO EVEN MOAR!" instead of showing the money.

You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk? And more importantly, walk and talk? And more more importantly, walk and chew bubble gum?

My point is you can't prove it! It happens without warning. When you use a different engines you can start pushing towards more power like when epic started using the new unreal engine. Shouting you can't prove it is ridiculous, because you can't. If we could bring out the ultimate software for something then we would have, but as we can see through semi constant improvements and researches there is always more to push.

Right. So you also can't say its possible without having said new engine in place that actually allows them to use the 360 better, cause otherwise we have to assume it doesn't exist. Unless we see the more effective juicer, we have to assume that an apple has no more juice in it.

But what if the afforementioned juicer isn't being used properly and has a ultra super mode that requires pushiing a big red button that they overlooked? (abusing the analogy? Yes, yes I am)

Actually, you're not. How would we know it was the least efficient way? Especially when said apple actually comes with directions, having been genetically engineered to be juiced most effectively with that machine.

Well it all comes down to speculation a little bit of luck and pinch of belief to think there is a better button for juicing it, or for removing the pulp or even for peeling it beforehand, and with the juicers most company's use being reletivly new is it hard to imagine they have overlooked said button?

 

[Woe Is You]

Oh, and Killzone 2 looks as good as Crysis.

You're really into hyperbole today, aren't you?

 

[bad rider]

One- Theres always going to be a better looking game. Some day even crysis will be surpassed.
Two - ... Epic are a bright as the characters in their games.

Difference is that it won't be surpassed on an NESI said what now?

But then when they'll do that and you'll say, yeah but they can't push it any futher prove it to me. And then they will and then you'll be like, then they will, then you'll be like then they will........

I never said they can't push any further, I'm just saying to prove it to us. It's useless to tell us "Oh, we can still push the 360 further!" if you don't have the evidence to prove it. I absolutely despise anyone who says "Graphics aren't going to get much better" or "There's no point in these crazy ass hardware powers" or something similar.

All I'm saying is if the 360 can be pushed further, do it, don't bother telling us because all we'll hear is some fanboy going around yelling "WE'RE DAH BEST WE CAN DO EVEN MOAR!" instead of showing the money.

You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk? And more importantly, walk and talk? And more more importantly, walk and chew bubble gum?

My point is you can't prove it! It happens without warning. When you use a different engines you can start pushing towards more power like when epic started using the new unreal engine. Shouting you can't prove it is ridiculous, because you can't. If we could bring out the ultimate software for something then we would have, but as we can see through semi constant improvements and researches there is always more to push.

Right. So you also can't say its possible without having said new engine in place that actually allows them to use the 360 better, cause otherwise we have to assume it doesn't exist. Unless we see the more effective juicer, we have to assume that an apple has no more juice in it.

But what if the afforementioned juicer isn't being used properly and has a ultra super mode that requires pushiing a big red button that they overlooked? (abusing the analogy? Yes, yes I am)

Actually, you're not. How would we know it was the least efficient way? Especially when said apple actually comes with directions, having been genetically engineered to be juiced most effectively with that machine.

Well it all comes down to speculation a little bit of luck and pinch of belief to think there is a better button for juicing it, or for removing the pulp or even for peeling it beforehand, and with the juicers most company's use being reletivly new is it hard to imagine they have overlooked said button?

Not really, since the apple was made specifically to give a meager amount of juice best by the machines they had at the time - a newer machine would just be overkill, or even not juice some parts. Thats as opposed to the watermelon someone else is selling that, while harder to juice, has far far more juice inside it.

Ah yes you would be right, but the apple's keep being tweeked to be better used by the juicer due online grocery services allowing for more produce from that type of apple. Also I find watermelons easier to juice, but the market isn't into watermelons at the time despite them tasting nice, however lets not get sidetracked from the original discussion. (irony in the sidetrack part made me chuckle)

 

[Woe Is You]

Look, then talk.

Remembering your past posts, Killzone 2 has gone from comparable to Crysis to almost as good looking to as good looking.

I guess the next logical step is calling it better looking. Go on, you can do it!

 

[bad rider]

One- Theres always going to be a better looking game. Some day even crysis will be surpassed.
Two - ... Epic are a bright as the characters in their games.

Difference is that it won't be surpassed on an NESI said what now?

But then when they'll do that and you'll say, yeah but they can't push it any futher prove it to me. And then they will and then you'll be like, then they will, then you'll be like then they will........

I never said they can't push any further, I'm just saying to prove it to us. It's useless to tell us "Oh, we can still push the 360 further!" if you don't have the evidence to prove it. I absolutely despise anyone who says "Graphics aren't going to get much better" or "There's no point in these crazy ass hardware powers" or something similar.

All I'm saying is if the 360 can be pushed further, do it, don't bother telling us because all we'll hear is some fanboy going around yelling "WE'RE DAH BEST WE CAN DO EVEN MOAR!" instead of showing the money.

You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk? And more importantly, walk and talk? And more more importantly, walk and chew bubble gum?

My point is you can't prove it! It happens without warning. When you use a different engines you can start pushing towards more power like when epic started using the new unreal engine. Shouting you can't prove it is ridiculous, because you can't. If we could bring out the ultimate software for something then we would have, but as we can see through semi constant improvements and researches there is always more to push.

Right. So you also can't say its possible without having said new engine in place that actually allows them to use the 360 better, cause otherwise we have to assume it doesn't exist. Unless we see the more effective juicer, we have to assume that an apple has no more juice in it.

But what if the afforementioned juicer isn't being used properly and has a ultra super mode that requires pushiing a big red button that they overlooked? (abusing the analogy? Yes, yes I am)

Actually, you're not. How would we know it was the least efficient way? Especially when said apple actually comes with directions, having been genetically engineered to be juiced most effectively with that machine.

Well it all comes down to speculation a little bit of luck and pinch of belief to think there is a better button for juicing it, or for removing the pulp or even for peeling it beforehand, and with the juicers most company's use being reletivly new is it hard to imagine they have overlooked said button?

Not really, since the apple was made specifically to give a meager amount of juice best by the machines they had at the time - a newer machine would just be overkill, or even not juice some parts. Thats as opposed to the watermelon someone else is selling that, while harder to juice, has far far more juice inside it.

Ah yes you would be right, but the apple's keep being tweeked to be better used by the juicer due online grocery services allowing for more produce from that type of apple. Also I find watermelons easier to juice, but the market isn't into watermelons at the time despite them tasting nice, however lets not get sidetracked from the original discussion. (irony in the sidetrack part made me chuckle)

But thats just the thing - the online grocery services aren't going to change the fruit or the core, just the way it can be prepared.

While it's true we can't change the apple into a pear, we can make it so more of it is being utilized than before and with the fruits being relatively new there are still more preperations that can be made. However It is likely they will have to change their fruit at some point to another that produces more juice, for now they can still/should focus on getting more juice out of the apple. Wether there is more juice to be had depends on said red button. (Ahhhh the fruit analogy it burns)

 

[bad rider]

One- Theres always going to be a better looking game. Some day even crysis will be surpassed.
Two - ... Epic are a bright as the characters in their games.

Difference is that it won't be surpassed on an NESI said what now?

But then when they'll do that and you'll say, yeah but they can't push it any futher prove it to me. And then they will and then you'll be like, then they will, then you'll be like then they will........

I never said they can't push any further, I'm just saying to prove it to us. It's useless to tell us "Oh, we can still push the 360 further!" if you don't have the evidence to prove it. I absolutely despise anyone who says "Graphics aren't going to get much better" or "There's no point in these crazy ass hardware powers" or something similar.

All I'm saying is if the 360 can be pushed further, do it, don't bother telling us because all we'll hear is some fanboy going around yelling "WE'RE DAH BEST WE CAN DO EVEN MOAR!" instead of showing the money.

You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk? And more importantly, walk and talk? And more more importantly, walk and chew bubble gum?

My point is you can't prove it! It happens without warning. When you use a different engines you can start pushing towards more power like when epic started using the new unreal engine. Shouting you can't prove it is ridiculous, because you can't. If we could bring out the ultimate software for something then we would have, but as we can see through semi constant improvements and researches there is always more to push.

Right. So you also can't say its possible without having said new engine in place that actually allows them to use the 360 better, cause otherwise we have to assume it doesn't exist. Unless we see the more effective juicer, we have to assume that an apple has no more juice in it.

But what if the afforementioned juicer isn't being used properly and has a ultra super mode that requires pushiing a big red button that they overlooked? (abusing the analogy? Yes, yes I am)

Actually, you're not. How would we know it was the least efficient way? Especially when said apple actually comes with directions, having been genetically engineered to be juiced most effectively with that machine.

Well it all comes down to speculation a little bit of luck and pinch of belief to think there is a better button for juicing it, or for removing the pulp or even for peeling it beforehand, and with the juicers most company's use being reletivly new is it hard to imagine they have overlooked said button?

Not really, since the apple was made specifically to give a meager amount of juice best by the machines they had at the time - a newer machine would just be overkill, or even not juice some parts. Thats as opposed to the watermelon someone else is selling that, while harder to juice, has far far more juice inside it.

Ah yes you would be right, but the apple's keep being tweeked to be better used by the juicer due online grocery services allowing for more produce from that type of apple. Also I find watermelons easier to juice, but the market isn't into watermelons at the time despite them tasting nice, however lets not get sidetracked from the original discussion. (irony in the sidetrack part made me chuckle)

But thats just the thing - the online grocery services aren't going to change the fruit or the core, just the way it can be prepared.

While it's true we can't change the apple into a pear, we can make it so more of it is being utilized than before and with the fruits being relatively new there are still more preperations that can be made. However It is likely they will have to change their fruit at some point to another that produces more juice, for now they can still/should focus on getting more juice out of the apple. Wether there is more juice to be had depends on said red button. (Ahhhh the fruit analogy it burns)

And with no red button in sight, we must assume that no red button exists. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to drnk some watermelon juice.

I'm not sure it seems like they find a red button every few months. Enjoy the watermelon, I'll stick with the apple.

P.S greatest fruit analogy ever.

 

[scotth266]

"Sir, we're already running at 100% gray capacity!"
"PUSH IT FURTHER."
"Sir!"
"DO IT! WE CAN GO FURTHER. MORE GRAY. MORE BROWN. MORE MUZZLE FLASH!"
"You're a madman!"

"A madman I say!"
"JENKINS! What you fail to understand is: in this world, WE'RE ALL MAD!"

It's an interesting claim. If it bears fruit will be a matter for future threads.

SNIPPITY SNIP

*Grabs a mallet*

Seriously. If you're going to stir up trouble, at least make it worth my time rebutting you by spellchecking yourself. Besides, your argument is invalid: Killzone 2 embraces the same graphical coda as Gears. MORE DIRT AND METAL! NOW! It just looks prettier.

I keep hearing the same tired old arguments that the PS3 will be capable of so much more, but only a rare few games for the thing take advantage of its true power, so 360 games wind up looking just as good as most of the PS3 library. THIS IS DISSAPPOINTING. Get more games out with Killzone 2 graphical-level goodness(without the dirt and metal everywhere), and I might change my mind.

To be honest, this is all corporate penis contesting. Someone from Sony, I recall, said words to this effect about the PS3 too. And an Xbox developer is following suit.

And neither of them even recognize that Graphical Quality != Game Quality. As well as fanboys on both sides.

Glad to see someone else noticed that. Graphics != Good Games, as we all can well attest. Hell, one of the best games on the PS3, LittleBigPlanet, hardly pushes the limits of the system graphically
This is why the PS3 fanboys get me up in a gander. They need to realize that the mechanics of a game should come before the graphical goodness. The companies are just willy-waggling in an attempt to stir up interest.

To sum it up: nobody here is a dev for a company that makes 360 games, thus we have NO IDEA how much further the thing can be pushed. Same goes for the PS3. Thus, the only things that will be able to prove what devs say about their system's limits will be the games that they make for them. In any case, it looks to be a bright future for all console owners, as competition brings forth awesomeness.

 

[Doug]

"Sir, we're already running at 100% gray capacity!"
"PUSH IT FURTHER."
"Sir!"
"DO IT! WE CAN GO FURTHER. MORE GRAY. MORE BROWN. MORE MUZZLE FLASH!"
"You're a madman!"

"A madman I say!"
"JENKINS! What you fail to understand is: in this world, WE'RE ALL MAD!"

It's an interesting claim. If it bears fruit will be a matter for future threads.

SNIPPITY SNIP

*Grabs a mallet*

Seriously. If you're going to stir up trouble, at least make it worth my time rebutting you by spellchecking yourself. Besides, your argument is invalid: Killzone 2 embraces the same graphical coda as Gears. MORE DIRT AND METAL! NOW! It just looks prettier.

I keep hearing the same tired old arguments that the PS3 will be capable of so much more, but only a rare few games for the thing take advantage of its true power, so 360 games wind up looking just as good as most of the PS3 library. THIS IS DISSAPPOINTING. Get more games out with Killzone 2 graphical-level goodness(without the dirt and metal everywhere), and I might change my mind.

To be honest, this is all corporate penis contesting. Someone from Sony, I recall, said words to this effect about the PS3 too. And an Xbox developer is following suit.

And neither of them even recognize that Graphical Quality != Game Quality. As well as fanboys on both sides.

Glad to see someone else noticed that. Graphics != Good Games, as we all can well attest. Hell, one of the best games on the PS3, LittleBigPlanet, hardly pushes the limits of the system graphically
This is why the PS3 fanboys get me up in a gander. They need to realize that the mechanics of a game should come before the graphical goodness. The companies are just willy-waggling in an attempt to stir up interest.

To sum it up: nobody here is a dev for a company that makes 360 games, thus we have NO IDEA how much further the thing can be pushed. Same goes for the PS3. Thus, the only things that will be able to prove what devs say about their system's limits will be the games that they make for them. In any case, it looks to be a bright future for all console owners, as competition brings forth awesomeness.

QFT - I would reduce it, but I think it all bares repeating.

Killzone 2 - FPS, what does it improve on beyond graphics? And yeah, you can make that argument about every FPS, but if people are going to harp on about it, I want to know. As for the plot, space nazi's vs space marines.

Gears of War - FPS, only adds an interesting but not that great a cover system. As for the plot, underground dirty space nazi's vs ground based space marines (with homoerotic undertones).

Anywho, it seems to me that they are purely based on improving graphics each, in an ultimate attempt to wield the biggest graphical penis in there little shuffle as the Wii increasingly becomes Nintendo's mint.

Deus Ex had ok graphics, but was one of the few games that could really grip me, even when I bought it years after release. It had scope, it had scale, it had alot of flexibly - hell, you could kill nearly anyone you meet, and the game will respond to it.

Anachronox, poor graphics, even for its day, and yet its hilarous and fun, even though its probably classed as a JRPG in terms of gameplay. And the plot:

Spoiler

a hard boiled detective in space who ends up fighting inter dimensional creatures trying to implode the universe to kill off there ancient enemy from the universe after ours.

 

[D_987]

i like epic games so i trust to push limits. anyway, gears of war was pretty shiny when it can out for the time. now its average. im sorry im wording this horribly...

I wouldn't trust anything EPIC games said, I'm a huge Gears of War fan, and I recall all those empty promises before Gears 2's release (no host advantage, significantly less glitches, tactical gameplay).

To be honest I recall them claiming that Gears 2 was pushing the 360 to its limits, but there are better looking games on the 360 already, so that was probably a lie too.

 

[D_987]

Gears of War - FPS

Hmm?

 

[Doug]

Gears of War - FPS

Hmm?

*coughs and pencils over-Third person shooter with the ability to go first person*

 

[Doug]

i like epic games so i trust to push limits. anyway, gears of war was pretty shiny when it can out for the time. now its average. im sorry im wording this horribly...

I wouldn't trust anything EPIC games said, I'm a huge Gears of War fan, and I recall all those empty promises before Gears 2's release (no host advantage, significantly less glitches, tactical gameplay).

To be honest I recall them claiming that Gears 2 was pushing the 360 to its limits, but there are better looking games on the 360 already, so that was probably a lie too.

To be honest, Cliff B (thats the run who runs Epic, right?) seems like abit of a pompous dickhead. Then again, he bashed the PC as a gaming platform, so maybe thats why

 

[D_987]

i like epic games so i trust to push limits. anyway, gears of war was pretty shiny when it can out for the time. now its average. im sorry im wording this horribly...

I wouldn't trust anything EPIC games said, I'm a huge Gears of War fan, and I recall all those empty promises before Gears 2's release (no host advantage, significantly less glitches, tactical gameplay).

To be honest I recall them claiming that Gears 2 was pushing the 360 to its limits, but there are better looking games on the 360 already, so that was probably a lie too.

The fact that they're multiplatform games says a lot.

About the 1st party developers yes, but not the hardware itself.