Escape to the Movies: Guardians of the Galaxy - Surprise! This Movie Rocks!
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It was an alright movie (slightly worse than Man of Steel). I feel like it could have been stronger if they had made the raccoon the main character, I just get this strange feeling I've seen the main character in a whole bunch of other movies.
Funny enough that had me and my friends in splinters. Also "pointless opening"? I thought that was a strong introduction to the character. Probably one of the strongest I've seen, right up there with The Joker crashing the meeting in The Dark Knight.Johnny Novgorod said:
So Bob, any chance of a run down of all the Marvel in-jokes and references? I caught a few, but I'm sure many, many more went over my head, and I'd love to read/watch some sort of analysis of them.MovieBob said:
I just watched the film and without being spoilery it reminded me very much of those two Rammstein songs; Stein um Stein and Rosenrot. They've the same melody with different instrumentals, one was developed as a second set of potential vocals for the other.Trishbot said:
This film was that with Thor 2 for me.
EDIT: Also I find it hugely disappointing that this film and that film had villains whose 'master plans' were less well executed and planned than that of Lord Business
a plan thought up, in universe, for fun by a small child
I will admit, this was the first movie to use 3D in a way to make me jump back. On that note, my only issue is how they shot scenes to show off the 3D. I never like that because unless it's a different version from the 2D version it feels pointless :/.
I'll rephrase that - it's not pointless, it's dissonant with the rest of the movie, which is essentially one big joke about how we're not taking any of this seriously.KazeAizen said:
I loved the movie, but a couple things really annoyed me about it.
First, I hope it was just my theater but the audio work was terrible. Unless it's completely silent I could hardly hear a word anybody was saying over everything else most of the time.
Second, Groot, everything about him. He has zero personality and thus zero character development, which is hard to have when the character is limited to saying "I am Groot". Groot is more a team pet than an actual character, but that's not my real issue with him. Mostly though the problem I have is he seems to pull any random superpower out of nowhere to solve whatever problem the heroes are dealing with as long as he's around. He's a walking tree, so growing limbs at will, super strength, regenerative ability, that's all to be expected. Reviving the dead? Make glowing fireflies out of nowhere? Create a shield able to defend against a high velocity impact? Regenerate from a twig? It gets to be a bit much after awhile, and if he appears in the next GoTG movie it's going to be hard to genuinely threaten the protagonists especially Groot with him around. I still like the character despite these but even so, I hope they avoid making him into a walking Deus Ex Machina next time.
First, I hope it was just my theater but the audio work was terrible. Unless it's completely silent I could hardly hear a word anybody was saying over everything else most of the time.
Second, Groot, everything about him. He has zero personality and thus zero character development, which is hard to have when the character is limited to saying "I am Groot". Groot is more a team pet than an actual character, but that's not my real issue with him. Mostly though the problem I have is he seems to pull any random superpower out of nowhere to solve whatever problem the heroes are dealing with as long as he's around. He's a walking tree, so growing limbs at will, super strength, regenerative ability, that's all to be expected. Reviving the dead? Make glowing fireflies out of nowhere? Create a shield able to defend against a high velocity impact? Regenerate from a twig? It gets to be a bit much after awhile, and if he appears in the next GoTG movie it's going to be hard to genuinely threaten the protagonists especially Groot with him around. I still like the character despite these but even so, I hope they avoid making him into a walking Deus Ex Machina next time.
Right...you were thinking about that and I was thinking about something else. I don't know. Thinking about it the scene of him as a kid helped with his character. To deal with the death of his mom he simply puts it behind him and tries to become a badass space outlaw.Johnny Novgorod said:
I actually predicted something like that would happen well in advance...and yeah, it was still kind of a no prize.Johnny Novgorod said:
Though the bit with them containing the McGuffin as a team made up for it.
Groot is basically an idiot savant that is nice and helpful when surrounded by friendlies, but completely and unnecessarily evil whenever himself or Rocket is threatened. He's the heart of the team more than anything. The reason the film doesn't provide much character development for him is because his character was already established more than the others; he has the mindset of a child that's mainly trying to hang with his big brother (Rocket), and as we know, children mainly try to emulate the people they like or their peers, and don't display their own personalities until they get older. He has really useful talents and could be of real use in the universe, but became an outlaw because Rocket is one. I guess you'd consider him having "zero character" because he couldn't explain his own ambitions, but Groot displayed having a mind of his own in a couple of scenes. Groot/Rocket was a more hilarious version of Chewbacca/Han Solo. This movie went out of its way to develop relationships and backstories for other characters, so hopefully Groot's backstory get some focus in the sequel.immortalfrieza said:
I will agree that Groot was overpowered in the flick, but his Deus Ex Machina capabilities didn't annoy me as much as Gandalf consistently saving everyone ass in the Hobbit movies.
I just watched this today and I loved it eventhought I knew little of them beforehand!
My only query I got is the Nova Corp-
My only query I got is the Nova Corp-
I thought they were like the Green Lantern of Marvel as in every members wear the helmet and have the powers that came with it, not just some space enforcer. So if they were to make a Nova film, would the human member (don't know the guy name) would be like a super enforcer with the helment he wear in the comic).
They say they will return and I read somewhere (can't remember) that the third Avengers film is going to have Thanos meaning two groups team up??? Also if Peter does return to Earth, oh boy he got alot of catching up to do with the music!!!
And I as a German have to wait a whole month before i can see it...
well at least hamburg has an awesome OV-Cinema so i can watch in in english.
But still why? Why a month? Why? Why don't i have the money to fly to the usa just for a movie?
Why?
well at least hamburg has an awesome OV-Cinema so i can watch in in english.
But still why? Why a month? Why? Why don't i have the money to fly to the usa just for a movie?
Why?
Best Marvel movie so far, though I probably feel that way because I barely knew the characters beforehand, so I didn't bring any expectations.
Its showing in Denmark. Just take a small drive north and you should be able to watch itTimpossible said:And I as a German have to wait a whole month before i can see it...
well at least hamburg has an awesome OV-Cinema so i can watch in in english.
But still why? Why a month? Why? Why don't i have the money to fly to the usa just for a movie?
Why?
.Though it's still pretty expensive, better wait a month. Movies good but not good enough not to wait a month!
I was looking this up and it might be they are going with rebuilding the Nova Corps post Ronan invasion. Using the "Mind Gem" to create the future corps who are able to wield the Nova Force to the fullest. In the comics Xandar/Nova Corps didn't get the Nova Powers till after meeting Rom the Spaceknight and his group who use powered Suits and wielding cosmic power. So next GOTG good chance we'll see Novas in suit.Mr Ink 5000 said:
Also did anyone else see Adam Warlock's Cocoon in the Collector's Museum?
oh very cool. heres hoping thats the path Marvel choose. i'd hate them to just be space cops, without the powersmrseriousguy said:
Having now gone to see this movie myself, I'm surprised by Bob's love of it.
This was a glossy but ultimately greasy-paper-thin movie. It strongly reminded me of TOS Star Trek (and not just because of all the coloured skin = aliens stuff), especially with the main character letting us know he's the male fantasy 'cool' guy, who has so much sex and so little 'give a shit' that he doesn't bother to remember the names of his partners nor even that they're still on his ship when he goes off to do something dangerous. (Bob writes this off as 'arrested development' but to me, that seems to just be excusing the fact that he still likes it.)
Of course, this could be intentional, designed to point out just how much of an unlikeable asshole he is but there's a difference between charismatic asshole and just asshole. Watching, you start questioning why *any* woman would give him more attention than it takes to pepper spray him. The scene where he boasts/sympathises about pain as he points out all the times he's been stabbed or harmed by a pissed off conquest falls extremely flat as a moment of humour because of, again, the lack of charisma. This isn't a heart-of-gold jerk sharing probably-well-deserved injuries (ignoring the inappropriateness of comparing it to Drax's murdered family), this is a smug gleeful little boy who loves having them because it gives him an excuse to remind everyone about all the sex he's been having and therefore how cool he is.
Again, maybe this is part of his character build to make him unlikeable, but it's spoiled somewhat by Gamora fluttering in his wake like he oozes a Kirkian sexual magnetism when he really, *really* doesn't. (It was so over the top and unexplainable that I actually spent most of the movie expecting it to be a ploy of Gamora's to get him to fall in line. Sadly not.) This same lack of charisma is glaring when he tries to have 'stirring speech' moments and honestly? I don't know if it's the acting or the writing, but he just cannot pull it off. Stiff, uninspiring, peppered with supposed-to-be-funny tangents that just seem awkward; this is a guy who should be playing second fiddle to the real leader, not leader himself by virtue of being Male, White & Human(ish).
Which brings me to Gamora.
WHAT?? This 'daughter of Thanos, genetically modified and broken down and remade to be some badass assassin who has NEVER FAILED Ronan is about as tough as a kitten with attitude (or maybe a joey, considering her propensity for kicking people). Her role in the movie is to be the fragile (thorned) flower who, despite (presumably) having murdered people all over the place, hits her limit when it comes to murdering planets and serves as the emotional, moralising heart of the group, banging on about honour and the right thing to do like she'd have had *sooo* much opportunity to live that way under Thanos. She comes off more as a 'sheltered exotic female' than anything else and that's just bizarre. 'Fragile (thorned) flower' describes her to a T in that all you need to know is 'the right way to handle her' and any danger is negated, leaving only the fragile flower, ripe for the DEflowering.
Groot, Rocket and Drax are all acceptable bit characters and the latter two at least have more developed or well-written personal conflict than either Quill or Gamora. That's about all that can be said for them.
If you took the whole movie as just something that sets up the Infinity glove for the next Avengers... it serves its purpose. As a standalone movie to plant the seeds of new characters, it stubs its toe pretty badly.
Rubbish music, too.
This was a glossy but ultimately greasy-paper-thin movie. It strongly reminded me of TOS Star Trek (and not just because of all the coloured skin = aliens stuff), especially with the main character letting us know he's the male fantasy 'cool' guy, who has so much sex and so little 'give a shit' that he doesn't bother to remember the names of his partners nor even that they're still on his ship when he goes off to do something dangerous. (Bob writes this off as 'arrested development' but to me, that seems to just be excusing the fact that he still likes it.)
Of course, this could be intentional, designed to point out just how much of an unlikeable asshole he is but there's a difference between charismatic asshole and just asshole. Watching, you start questioning why *any* woman would give him more attention than it takes to pepper spray him. The scene where he boasts/sympathises about pain as he points out all the times he's been stabbed or harmed by a pissed off conquest falls extremely flat as a moment of humour because of, again, the lack of charisma. This isn't a heart-of-gold jerk sharing probably-well-deserved injuries (ignoring the inappropriateness of comparing it to Drax's murdered family), this is a smug gleeful little boy who loves having them because it gives him an excuse to remind everyone about all the sex he's been having and therefore how cool he is.
Again, maybe this is part of his character build to make him unlikeable, but it's spoiled somewhat by Gamora fluttering in his wake like he oozes a Kirkian sexual magnetism when he really, *really* doesn't. (It was so over the top and unexplainable that I actually spent most of the movie expecting it to be a ploy of Gamora's to get him to fall in line. Sadly not.) This same lack of charisma is glaring when he tries to have 'stirring speech' moments and honestly? I don't know if it's the acting or the writing, but he just cannot pull it off. Stiff, uninspiring, peppered with supposed-to-be-funny tangents that just seem awkward; this is a guy who should be playing second fiddle to the real leader, not leader himself by virtue of being Male, White & Human(ish).
Which brings me to Gamora.
WHAT?? This 'daughter of Thanos, genetically modified and broken down and remade to be some badass assassin who has NEVER FAILED Ronan is about as tough as a kitten with attitude (or maybe a joey, considering her propensity for kicking people). Her role in the movie is to be the fragile (thorned) flower who, despite (presumably) having murdered people all over the place, hits her limit when it comes to murdering planets and serves as the emotional, moralising heart of the group, banging on about honour and the right thing to do like she'd have had *sooo* much opportunity to live that way under Thanos. She comes off more as a 'sheltered exotic female' than anything else and that's just bizarre. 'Fragile (thorned) flower' describes her to a T in that all you need to know is 'the right way to handle her' and any danger is negated, leaving only the fragile flower, ripe for the DEflowering.
Groot, Rocket and Drax are all acceptable bit characters and the latter two at least have more developed or well-written personal conflict than either Quill or Gamora. That's about all that can be said for them.
If you took the whole movie as just something that sets up the Infinity glove for the next Avengers... it serves its purpose. As a standalone movie to plant the seeds of new characters, it stubs its toe pretty badly.
Rubbish music, too.
Why? He loves anything Marvel puts out, and hates everything Fox and Sony make. That much he's made clear.VondeVon said: