Agree with MovieBob, this is definetely one of the best movies of the year, and it's(in my opinion) one of the best sci-fi movies ever.
Escape to the Movies: Inception
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Just saw this movie. It is fucking epic. The final shot makes the whole movie screw with your mind a little but it is awesome.
Go see this movie!
Go see this movie!
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What does he mean there is no message? The whole message behind the movie is questioning whether or not what we believe is real is actually a dream. If this reality is in fact just something I dreamt up and decided to plop you all into. That was the message.
OH MY GOD I just saw Inception and CAN I TELL YOU ABOUT INCEPTION? WAAAAAAAAHHHH IT WAS ALL WORTH IT god I don't care how bad the last airbender was or how the kids are all right looks cliched and boring despite being the first real non porn movie/pretentious art film about lesbians and prince of persia was all white people I FORGIVE THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF BAD FILM and how repo men was disappointing and I forgive avatar and hell I forgive twilight and thats fucking unprecedented and oh did I mention INCEPTION MAKES ALL OF THAT OKAY and THIS IS WHY I WATCH MOVIES, GODDAMMIT.
...ITS LIKE IF repo men knocked up the matrix BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN BOTH OF THEM and maybe it was raised by the fountain BECAUSE SHIT, THIS IS ART DIRECTION THAT KNOWS WHAT ITS DOING and LEONARDO DICAPRIO DOESN'T ANNOY ME which has to be somewhere on the scale of sonic being in a good game and not making the game any less good and you know how if that happened you'd be all like wtf? BUT YOU'RE NOT BECAUSE YOU FORGOT IT WAS SONIC HALFWAY THROUGH BECAUSE ITS SO DAMN GOOD and GOD this is WHY I WATCH MOVIES.
...And did I mention that IT'S SCIENCE FICTION with an really interesting premis THAT MANAGES NOT TO TRIP OVER CHARACTERS OR ACTION OR PACING and it works on SO MANY LEVELS like it would be a really good action movie if it was just an action movie and the action is awesome i practically chewed through my shirtsleeve BUT THIS IS NOT JUST AN ACTION MOVIE its also so much more because ITS A DRAMA about love and family and what makes us ourselves and ITS ALSO CEREBRAL (a mindfuck) is the technical term BECAUSE EVERY SECOND you're questioning EVERYTHING but not in a bad way like man who fell to earth or the fountain or lets be honest a scanner darkly and momento IN A GOOD WAY where you can follow it even if you're not really following it so you don't miss anything or break immersion BUT YOU WALK OUT OF THE THEATRE GOING WTF? and in the end ITS YOUR CHOICE and there are so many choices A WHOLE SLEW OF CHOICES like I bet you could make a whole psychological profiling system based SOLELY UPON HOW SOMEONE REACTS TO INCEPTION because every single person who sees it takes away something different AND OH, DID I MENTION THAT IT'S REALLY, REALLY GOOD? I MEAN, LIKE, GOOD. LIKE, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY just... GREAT.
I think this may be a result of the three caffeinated drinks I had within the last four hours or the fact that I sat on a bus or in a cramped room from morning 'til night every day this week and I'll probably regret sending this but I THOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW.
...ITS LIKE IF repo men knocked up the matrix BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN BOTH OF THEM and maybe it was raised by the fountain BECAUSE SHIT, THIS IS ART DIRECTION THAT KNOWS WHAT ITS DOING and LEONARDO DICAPRIO DOESN'T ANNOY ME which has to be somewhere on the scale of sonic being in a good game and not making the game any less good and you know how if that happened you'd be all like wtf? BUT YOU'RE NOT BECAUSE YOU FORGOT IT WAS SONIC HALFWAY THROUGH BECAUSE ITS SO DAMN GOOD and GOD this is WHY I WATCH MOVIES.
...And did I mention that IT'S SCIENCE FICTION with an really interesting premis THAT MANAGES NOT TO TRIP OVER CHARACTERS OR ACTION OR PACING and it works on SO MANY LEVELS like it would be a really good action movie if it was just an action movie and the action is awesome i practically chewed through my shirtsleeve BUT THIS IS NOT JUST AN ACTION MOVIE its also so much more because ITS A DRAMA about love and family and what makes us ourselves and ITS ALSO CEREBRAL (a mindfuck) is the technical term BECAUSE EVERY SECOND you're questioning EVERYTHING but not in a bad way like man who fell to earth or the fountain or lets be honest a scanner darkly and momento IN A GOOD WAY where you can follow it even if you're not really following it so you don't miss anything or break immersion BUT YOU WALK OUT OF THE THEATRE GOING WTF? and in the end ITS YOUR CHOICE and there are so many choices A WHOLE SLEW OF CHOICES like I bet you could make a whole psychological profiling system based SOLELY UPON HOW SOMEONE REACTS TO INCEPTION because every single person who sees it takes away something different AND OH, DID I MENTION THAT IT'S REALLY, REALLY GOOD? I MEAN, LIKE, GOOD. LIKE, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY just... GREAT.
I think this may be a result of the three caffeinated drinks I had within the last four hours or the fact that I sat on a bus or in a cramped room from morning 'til night every day this week and I'll probably regret sending this but I THOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW.
I was a little agitated at the fact that the movie was much MUCH simpler than what people made it out to be... and predictable. Don't get me wrong, it was a GREAT movie and wouldn't mind paying to see it again... but it would've been better without all the false hype.
Hayday said:
I agree entirely with the 'gist' of your message. That is, though possibly not in specifically the way you described it, the movie definitely -did- have messages. Nothing about the movie seemed 'cold' to me at all. There was a lot of emotion, character chemistry, etc. Now I just have to take a nice long nap, because I'm exhausted after having researching the ending for over 3 hours...
And in case anyone else was curious, what I concluded was:
1. Either Cobb was in reality
2. Cobb was still dreaming (limbo)
3. The movie was a symbol: the audience was 'dreaming', and the director/screenwriter/etc. were the team of saboteurs
And in case anyone else was curious, what I concluded was:
1. Either Cobb was in reality
2. Cobb was still dreaming (limbo)
3. The movie was a symbol: the audience was 'dreaming', and the director/screenwriter/etc. were the team of saboteurs
I just saw the movie, and must say that the hype was well-deserved, to say the least. It had a great story and kept me in anticipation as soon as the main plot kicked in.
Honestly, I didn't think it was particularly confusing, but I can see how it could get that way, as it's very complex and has a lot going on at once. Intricate as it was, it's easily one of the greatest movies I've ever seen.
Honestly, I didn't think it was particularly confusing, but I can see how it could get that way, as it's very complex and has a lot going on at once. Intricate as it was, it's easily one of the greatest movies I've ever seen.
I agree that the movie is good, and I didn't really have any trouble following it. I'm not sure about Moviebob's assessment of Nolan's reason vs. emotion idea. Full disclosure: I have not seen all his movies, I've seen three of the ones cited as well as Inception (obviously). I may be missing important stuff from the other movies.
So, in the ones I have seen, denial, careless or irrational decision-making, and uncontrolled emotion are indeed enemies. But that's not the same as emotional depth. After this come spoilers for Batman Begins, Dark Knight, Memento AND Inception, so ah, be warned. Also, it's very long.
I wouldn't normally comment at such length on a movie, but I really do think reading the issue as emotion vs. reason oversimplifies it. Professional demeanor in the movies of Nolan's I've seen appears to be about discipline, responsibility and courage. And you can't be disciplined with no emotions to control. You can't be responsible without people you care enough about to be responsible to. You can't be brave without being afraid.
So, in the ones I have seen, denial, careless or irrational decision-making, and uncontrolled emotion are indeed enemies. But that's not the same as emotional depth. After this come spoilers for Batman Begins, Dark Knight, Memento AND Inception, so ah, be warned. Also, it's very long.
I think there may be an issue here differentiating between being disciplined and being cold. Besides, this theoretical hypermasculine ideal of cold reason is damaged a little by the tellingly named Ariadne (Greek mythology, look it up), a wide-eyed young woman who constantly challenges Cobb to open up and examine his emotional wounds rather than denying them. Being traumatized by his wife's death and his own guilt is not the problem. Denial and secrecy are the problem. And finally making that step is a hugely emotional moment that does not deserve to be called "rigid professionalism". In the newer Batman movies, Ra's Al Ghul is calm, cold, all business. Lucius Fox has a sense of humour, shows anger and sorrow and shows warmth toward those close to him. What separates Batman from the Joker is not that joker has more emotional depth. Batman has a city to care for, motivated by his own trauma, that forces him to maintain discipline. Without that, he wouldn't even BE Batman. In Memento, Leonard's refusal to accept his guilt (much like Cobb's) is what keeps him on his path of destruction. He sets up his murders quite professionally, but that doesn't prevent him from continuing to live in denial.
Characters who can accept and cope with their emotions (Lucius, Batman's Girlfriend du Jour, Ariadne, Arthur) consistently show the way for those who have blocked off important feelings and parts of themselves. In Memento there is no one to do this, Leonard's informant is trying to help him without making him face his emotions and it backfires. On the other side, unfettered emotion and reckless actions (the Joker, Two-Face's revenge, Moll as Cobb's lingering guilt, Leonard's undying rage) are often the symptoms of the "blocked" character's fatal flaw (fear, denial, despair), which if unchecked will consume them.
Characters who can accept and cope with their emotions (Lucius, Batman's Girlfriend du Jour, Ariadne, Arthur) consistently show the way for those who have blocked off important feelings and parts of themselves. In Memento there is no one to do this, Leonard's informant is trying to help him without making him face his emotions and it backfires. On the other side, unfettered emotion and reckless actions (the Joker, Two-Face's revenge, Moll as Cobb's lingering guilt, Leonard's undying rage) are often the symptoms of the "blocked" character's fatal flaw (fear, denial, despair), which if unchecked will consume them.
^^This, QFT.saintchristopher said:
Also, if you are reading this and haven't seen the movie, go watch it, right now. Watched it? Good. Now GO WATCH IT AGAIN, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT, AND THIS FILM IS DESERVING OF AT LEAST 5 VIEWINGS BY EVERY HUMAN ON EARTH, YOU MAGGOTS!!
Srsly, best movie of the year. My brain hurts to even contemplate just how great this movie was.
antipunt said:
There is definitely more to this movie. There are just so many levels in which you can see this movie; just as a scifi heist, as Mal being right by the whole movie being a dream, just to name the two i was wafering between when i left the theater. And you can practically go with what you like and it would still make sense. But when leaving the theater i personally couldn't shake the feeling of being a little bit dissatisfied but that's probably part of the charm.
And make no mistake it was a very very interesting movie, been researching allot about it afterwards.
liked the theory made in comment 231 by some Agarwel on this webpage:
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html
It argues the last time he wakes up in the movie in the plane he is just a guy waking up on a plane on his way home to his kids and everything which happened before in the movie was all just a really weird dream he had on the flight. And all the other persons are just random passengers charing his flight. Don't know if it all adds up but it sounded pretty nice.
And make no mistake it was a very very interesting movie, been researching allot about it afterwards.
liked the theory made in comment 231 by some Agarwel on this webpage:
http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html
It argues the last time he wakes up in the movie in the plane he is just a guy waking up on a plane on his way home to his kids and everything which happened before in the movie was all just a really weird dream he had on the flight. And all the other persons are just random passengers charing his flight. Don't know if it all adds up but it sounded pretty nice.
Fantastic movie...am I the only one who noticed...
Every time he spun the top in "reality", he never had a chance to see if it never stopped spinning. The few times he tried it, he either dropped it or picked it up before it could stop. Only at the end, do we see him spin it in "reality".
i LOVED inception.
my only problem with it was that i predicted going in that either the whole movie was a dream or it was going to end with someone getting stuck in a dream. stories about dreams/dreaming are sort of cliche like that.
maddog015 said:
That's the point. The point of the "totems" is for only the dreamers to know how long it spins, how heavy it is, etc., the "reality marks". That's why the movie cuts off at the end and makes a (admittedly cliche, but extremely appropriate imo) "it's a dream... or is it?!", with the thing starting to swoon to the sides lightly like it's going to stop, but still keeps spinning strong before it's cut off. I found it funny, in my theatre, all the people just went "awww" at that point, wanting to know what actually happened 
Anyway, am one of those people who outright refused to get any information before seeing it and I can truly recommend doing that. I only watched MovieBob now, I know he usually warns people about spoilers, but I still literally didn't want to know anything, didn't want to have any idea of anything about the movie, as it seemed to be the "as intended by the director" state and after watching several of Nolan's movies, I trusted him enough to not even so much as look into the "is it good" check.
On the movie, I found it amazing. What was particularly interesting was seeing him pull it off in only 2.5 hours. After about 30 minutes of the movie or so, I was thinking "hmmm, awesome concept/idea, but they aren't doing much with it yet... are we gonna get an actual movie that makes the most of this before he 'runs out of time?'", wondering if the idea would be better off done in a book where he wouldn't be limited by the audience's attention span. Then came the rest of the movie and the wonderful thing was, it wasn't rushed, the pacing kept right on being steady without any marks of "hey, we made the first part too long, crap, take out some of the scenes so we can fit it in".
I was really glad that he managed it and I felt like no stone was left unturned in the potential area. He closed off all the loose ends that needed to be closed off, finished the movie well and still left that little part to keep the audience wanting for more without doing the usual "here's my premise for a sequel" crap that was unnecessary at that point.
I was really glad that he managed it and I felt like no stone was left unturned in the potential area. He closed off all the loose ends that needed to be closed off, finished the movie well and still left that little part to keep the audience wanting for more without doing the usual "here's my premise for a sequel" crap that was unnecessary at that point.
Actually, to go off topic for a sec, Blood: The Last Vampire was not a condensed movie version of the TV anime; it's sort of the other way around. Blood came out around 2000, and then inspired or spawned Blood+, which came out about 5 years later. Also, some sources say that Blood+ isn't really a retelling of the original plot, it's an alternate universe.Twinmill5000 said:
Something that's been nagging me since someone I know who didn't like the movie brought it up:
Or maybe I'm not remembering things right.
I think they may have broken the rule of the "kick". As I remember, in the first layer of the dream, the chemist is driving the van and drives it over a bridge to institute a kick to bring the dreamers in the second layer of the dream out. But it doesn't work (as the characters say to each other that they missed it), so the van enters free fall. But it's alright, because the impact of the van hitting the water will institute a second back-up kick.
But hadn't they said earlier in the movie that it's not the impact that is the kick, it's the free fall itself? That feeling that you're falling? They had this whole humourous scene explaining the concept where they had Arthur sitting in a chair sleeping, and they would knock it over to wake him up. But each time they did that, he didn't wake up when the chair hit the ground; he jerked awake as soon as he felt he was falling and attempted to right himself, before the impact.
So shouldn't that whole time of the van falling from the bridge been the trigger to wake everyone in the second dream up? Arthur would have gone first, but since the movie shows that if the environment "above" the dream layer you're is being affected, it will have affects in your layer (water flooding the dream area), then the second layer is also in free fall (where we get to see Arthur do cool mid-air kung fu stuff). And that should have woken the dreamers in the third layer up as well.
But hadn't they said earlier in the movie that it's not the impact that is the kick, it's the free fall itself? That feeling that you're falling? They had this whole humourous scene explaining the concept where they had Arthur sitting in a chair sleeping, and they would knock it over to wake him up. But each time they did that, he didn't wake up when the chair hit the ground; he jerked awake as soon as he felt he was falling and attempted to right himself, before the impact.
So shouldn't that whole time of the van falling from the bridge been the trigger to wake everyone in the second dream up? Arthur would have gone first, but since the movie shows that if the environment "above" the dream layer you're is being affected, it will have affects in your layer (water flooding the dream area), then the second layer is also in free fall (where we get to see Arthur do cool mid-air kung fu stuff). And that should have woken the dreamers in the third layer up as well.
Or maybe I'm not remembering things right.