Escape to the Movies: Inception
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Just watched this today, I loved this film.
Last 2 "big" conversations
Man+Woman
Man+Old Man
and the "pulling hair out" shot
Really drove home to me the blurry line of ideology between Atheism, Buddhism, and good old-fashioned "life after death"isms.
Is life a dream? Will we one day wake up having forgotten our life?
Personally I don't think so, but I can clearly see the other perspectives, and how very little separates them. A simple leap of faith apart.
Last 2 "big" conversations
Man+Woman
Man+Old Man
and the "pulling hair out" shot
Really drove home to me the blurry line of ideology between Atheism, Buddhism, and good old-fashioned "life after death"isms.
Is life a dream? Will we one day wake up having forgotten our life?
Personally I don't think so, but I can clearly see the other perspectives, and how very little separates them. A simple leap of faith apart.
Firia said:zHellas said:I don't get why them growing old together in their dream world is anything but absolutely romantic.Why would that be a hair pulling scenario?
Nope the pulling hair part is definitely the end with the kids and the top, for two reasons.
1. The top never actually falls
2. The kids are the same age as they were shown in the dreams and they are wearing the same clothes as they were in the dreams
1. The top never actually falls
2. The kids are the same age as they were shown in the dreams and they are wearing the same clothes as they were in the dreams
Lex Darko said:
Oh shiii.....
I wanted to believe he got back to the real world, so I kind of ignored the top, seeing as it wobbles... but now that you mentioned the kids....
And also, while I'm at it, I sort of expected the "grandpa" Miles come and knock the top over at the very end.
I wanted to believe he got back to the real world, so I kind of ignored the top, seeing as it wobbles... but now that you mentioned the kids....
And also, while I'm at it, I sort of expected the "grandpa" Miles come and knock the top over at the very end.
Lex Darko said:Firia said:zHellas said:I don't get why them growing old together in their dream world is anything but absolutely romantic.Nope the pulling hair part is definitely the end with the kids and the top, for two reasons.
1. The top never actually falls
2. The kids are the same age as they were shown in the dreams and they are wearing the same clothes as they were in the dreams
Yeah, there was definately something unsettling about that scene. Something wasn't adding up. But it was a beautifully happy ending. :3 Made my heart warm.
sarahvait said:
Well, I don't believe it's free-fall that is the "kick". In the beginning, to get him out of the dream they kick him into a tub; it wasn't the fall that woke him, but the impact with the water.
I think the free-fall thing was only about the chemist's special sedative, which he said left inner-ear function unimpeded, so that the loss of balance and the fall would snap them out of their sleep; hence them testing it on Arthur. I'm not entirely sure that sedative was used on them within the dreams (though, I thought it was implied with all the time multiplication they were doing), or if it would work the same, considering it wasn't "real". The "real" team, the one that for sure took the special sedative, was still slumbering perfectly fine in their first-class seats on the airplane when the van was in free-fall.
I'm not sure if Cobb could have just gone back with Ariadne and then plopped Saito over onto the floor of the plane. I'm not sure if there's something about limbo where you have to wake yourself (and be stuck in limbo otherwise, or go crazy when returning) or if it's just quicker to try and extract him himself, considering every second at the top could be measured in possibly months or years or decades in limbo. Or if they just wanted an interesting way to cut back to the beginning scene.
It's also possibly notable that the first kick into the tub happened within a dream. Maybe it's impossible to kick someone in dreams with just a fall, even if they were still susceptible to it?
I think the free-fall thing was only about the chemist's special sedative, which he said left inner-ear function unimpeded, so that the loss of balance and the fall would snap them out of their sleep; hence them testing it on Arthur. I'm not entirely sure that sedative was used on them within the dreams (though, I thought it was implied with all the time multiplication they were doing), or if it would work the same, considering it wasn't "real". The "real" team, the one that for sure took the special sedative, was still slumbering perfectly fine in their first-class seats on the airplane when the van was in free-fall.
I'm not sure if Cobb could have just gone back with Ariadne and then plopped Saito over onto the floor of the plane. I'm not sure if there's something about limbo where you have to wake yourself (and be stuck in limbo otherwise, or go crazy when returning) or if it's just quicker to try and extract him himself, considering every second at the top could be measured in possibly months or years or decades in limbo. Or if they just wanted an interesting way to cut back to the beginning scene.
It's also possibly notable that the first kick into the tub happened within a dream. Maybe it's impossible to kick someone in dreams with just a fall, even if they were still susceptible to it?
Watched the review before the movie as the premise was already spoiled for me by a (very good) NPR interview with DiCaprio. Awesome review.
I disagree with emotion being the 'problem' for the plan in this movie though. Emotion is the entire driving force behind Cobbs actions, and
Also
I disagree with emotion being the 'problem' for the plan in this movie though. Emotion is the entire driving force behind Cobbs actions, and
the success of the inception depended upon Fisher's emotional reconciliation with his father
As to the kick, I'm not sure if it breaks the rules but I honestly couldn't care. It was an amazing way to do the climax to the movie. The stillness and quite of the emotional climax of Cobbs conversation with Mal is contrasted with the massive and loud triple-layered action climax of a car crash, a elevator falling, and a building blowing up all at the same time.
Oh just great, I was going to watch the movie in a cinema and today (the day the movie finally came out in my country) there is a feature on the news that COMPLETELY SPOILS THE WHOLE FUCKING MOVIE.
Now I wil just get the DVD.
Now I wil just get the DVD.
First off, great review to an awesome movie. I will have to say though, I don't think Bill from King of the Hill is worse than Peter Griffin on The IQ scale.
Anyway, some people seem to be debating part of the ending of the movie. In this spoiler, I shall explain one thing that will answer one big question about the ending scene:
Anyway, some people seem to be debating part of the ending of the movie. In this spoiler, I shall explain one thing that will answer one big question about the ending scene:
Everytime Cob is in a dream world he has a wedding ring on, and everytime he is in reality he doesn't. At the end of the movie, he isn't wearing a ring
Firia said:I don't get why them growing old together in their dream world is anything but absolutely romantic.
Well it depends. You somehow get to the point of which you just aren't sure what is the real world. Some(although not that many people) may consider that the "they grew old part" was actually the real world, and that Cobb and his wife had this 2 level dream(the first one was where Cobb was with his kids, on the plane, and where his wife "killed" herself).
How can you think that this is what actually happened?
Well you could speculate that someone(it gets just too confusing to talk about if you think who may that someone actually be: Cobb, or his wife) put the idea that "the air plane/children looking back" world is the real one, just so Cobb wouldn't ever leave.
+ If one would to go deeper into speculation to the minor details: we've never actually seen that Cobb's totem was owned in the "real" world by his wife(we don't see Cobb taking it in the children world; we see it only in the make belief one which we know is no real).
To put it bluntly there is no Inception to Cobb's "real" world or "real" totem(which makes you wonder if the last scene is actually a dream or reality).
I guess this just leaves room for interpretation(but I'm just amazed that people are just willing to think and twist their minds to try to speculate on the ending, and that just mostly everyone goes: "well it looked as if it was going to tumble")
How can you think that this is what actually happened?
Well you could speculate that someone(it gets just too confusing to talk about if you think who may that someone actually be: Cobb, or his wife) put the idea that "the air plane/children looking back" world is the real one, just so Cobb wouldn't ever leave.
+ If one would to go deeper into speculation to the minor details: we've never actually seen that Cobb's totem was owned in the "real" world by his wife(we don't see Cobb taking it in the children world; we see it only in the make belief one which we know is no real).
To put it bluntly there is no Inception to Cobb's "real" world or "real" totem(which makes you wonder if the last scene is actually a dream or reality).
I guess this just leaves room for interpretation(but I'm just amazed that people are just willing to think and twist their minds to try to speculate on the ending, and that just mostly everyone goes: "well it looked as if it was going to tumble
")
Hm, guess I'm a bit late to this, but after watching the movie a few days ago, I have to say SOMETHING.
And that something is:
On one hand, this movie is orgasmically awesome. 11 points out of 10 possible. It was totally Double Rainbow.
On the other hand, all other movies will pale in comparison, and nothing will quite live up to the awesome that is Inception.
And that something is:
On one hand, this movie is orgasmically awesome. 11 points out of 10 possible. It was totally Double Rainbow.
On the other hand, all other movies will pale in comparison, and nothing will quite live up to the awesome that is Inception.
As much as I hate spoilers and get mad angry when I accidentally read one, it just isn't the case with this movie. I avoided spoilers before watching it, but now I'm pretty sure you actually *can't* spoil it. It's not by any means a trick movie like Sixth Sense or Usual Suspects, it just isn't. The only way to spoil it is to tell the whole story, but it would take way to much time and be pretty pointless anyway.Calibanbutcher said:
So do yourself a favour and go watch it in a theater if only for the amazing visuals. You'll be glad you did.
"Nope the pulling hair part is definitely the end with the kids and the top, for two reasons.
1. The top never actually falls
2. The kids are the same age as they were shown in the dreams and they are wearing the same clothes as they were in the dreams"
1. Hmm...
2. No
I'm not gonna bother to hide the spoilers since it's been more than 3 weeks in most countries since the release, 4 if you're from UK. So stop reading below this line if you don't want to be spoiled.
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The kids are NOT the same age at the end of the movie as they were in Cobb's dreams. The proof? Go to the IMDB and check the cast list - there are two sets of actors with different age playing the children.
And the clothes are NOT same either, The Inception's costume designer Jeffrey Kurland confirms in this article;
http://clothesonfilm.com/inception-jeffrey-kurland-costume-qa/14317/
that the children were in fact wearing different clothes.
Now, the spinning totem.
At first I was thinking that the movie ends before we see it fall and it's hard to say how long we would have to watch it spinning before we can definitely say that it won't fall. If it does Cobb's awake, if it doesn't Cobb's asleep. So you can sort of have a two different endings.
However the more I pondered over the ending the more that spinning totem irked me.
You see, even if the children are older, and even if their clothes are different, and even if Cobb doesn't wear a wedding ring anymore at the end of the movie (like in a dream), it all indicates that he is awake. Right? Wrong. Cobb might still be dreaming.
They make it pretty clear that Cobb himself was an architect. So he may have built this elaborate dream for himself where all the rules that would apply in reality also apply in his dream world.
If I would have to choose between Cobb being awake or dreaming, I would have to go with dreaming.
In the movie Cobb tells to Ariadne that if he spins the totem and it falls he can tell that he is awake. Now, pay attention to the ending.
He spins the totem and...
goes to meet his children,
while the totem keeps spinning and spinning.
So, I think the totem will spin as long as he isn't looking at the totem. Once he looks at the totem, it will fall over like it always has, confirming to Cobb that he is not in a dream. But since he himself was an architect, he may very well have built himself a dream where the totem only stops spinning when he is looking at it, which means that Cobb isn't aware that he is in a dream.
I hope at some point we can have a DVD commentary from Nolan where he reveals the truth, the same way Ridley Scott came clean and told that Deckard was a replicant.
1. The top never actually falls
2. The kids are the same age as they were shown in the dreams and they are wearing the same clothes as they were in the dreams"
1. Hmm...
2. No
I'm not gonna bother to hide the spoilers since it's been more than 3 weeks in most countries since the release, 4 if you're from UK. So stop reading below this line if you don't want to be spoiled.
************************************
The kids are NOT the same age at the end of the movie as they were in Cobb's dreams. The proof? Go to the IMDB and check the cast list - there are two sets of actors with different age playing the children.
And the clothes are NOT same either, The Inception's costume designer Jeffrey Kurland confirms in this article;
http://clothesonfilm.com/inception-jeffrey-kurland-costume-qa/14317/
that the children were in fact wearing different clothes.
Now, the spinning totem.
At first I was thinking that the movie ends before we see it fall and it's hard to say how long we would have to watch it spinning before we can definitely say that it won't fall. If it does Cobb's awake, if it doesn't Cobb's asleep. So you can sort of have a two different endings.
However the more I pondered over the ending the more that spinning totem irked me.
You see, even if the children are older, and even if their clothes are different, and even if Cobb doesn't wear a wedding ring anymore at the end of the movie (like in a dream), it all indicates that he is awake. Right? Wrong. Cobb might still be dreaming.
They make it pretty clear that Cobb himself was an architect. So he may have built this elaborate dream for himself where all the rules that would apply in reality also apply in his dream world.
If I would have to choose between Cobb being awake or dreaming, I would have to go with dreaming.
In the movie Cobb tells to Ariadne that if he spins the totem and it falls he can tell that he is awake. Now, pay attention to the ending.
He spins the totem and...
goes to meet his children,
while the totem keeps spinning and spinning.
So, I think the totem will spin as long as he isn't looking at the totem. Once he looks at the totem, it will fall over like it always has, confirming to Cobb that he is not in a dream. But since he himself was an architect, he may very well have built himself a dream where the totem only stops spinning when he is looking at it, which means that Cobb isn't aware that he is in a dream.
I hope at some point we can have a DVD commentary from Nolan where he reveals the truth, the same way Ridley Scott came clean and told that Deckard was a replicant.
Inception is an awesome movie. I'm not sure how exactly it's compared to the matrix on level of complicity, because I got the main stuff about dreaming on the first go. I remember it took me 3 times watching the matrix and some people explaining it to me and I wasn't still sure of it. Then again I was 12 at the time . One of the best things I like about Inception is that it manages to build up tension really good, towards the end everyone in the theater are sunk in their chairs and awaiting the conclusion, at least I felt that even after watching it for the third time. I think it's not only what's happening and the story, but here explicitly is the sound track. I've got the "Dream is collapsing" theme stuck in my head. In conclusion if Christopher Nolan keeps up the awesome work, I'll make sure to keep up with sending him as much dosh as I can .
Also, thank you Bob, for the review.
. One of the best things I like about Inception is that it manages to build up tension really good, towards the end everyone in the theater are sunk in their chairs and awaiting the conclusion, at least I felt that even after watching it for the third time. I think it's not only what's happening and the story, but here explicitly is the sound track. I've got the "Dream is collapsing" theme stuck in my head. In conclusion if Christopher Nolan keeps up the awesome work, I'll make sure to keep up with sending him as much dosh as I can .Also, thank you Bob, for the review.