Escape to the Movies: Maleficent - An Unusual Fairy Tale of Revenge

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I think I saw a little more nuance in Maleficents time bonding with Aurora, or possibly just a different stock progression.

Her time meeting and bonding with Aurora didn't really seem like redemption through letting go of her revenge so much as narrowing the focus.

The realization that in her quest to spit Stefan's head on a goddamned pike, she dragged a beautiful soul into the mud and blood of her warpath.

Recall that when she goes to Stefan's castle, she refers to it as 'her fight'. I never really got the impression that she was going back just to save Aurora, but instead to visit revenge on Stefan the way she should have to begin with; on him, personally, not striking at him through things he cares about.

Her final confrontation with Stefan felt less like letting him go, and more like she didn't see any point in killing him. She'd already reclaimed her wings, defeated him in his own home and stolen his daughter from him. There was nothing left in him that was worth killing; just a mad, broken shell of a man.

Which is not to say it didn't have problems, but I felt its problems were more a matter of being awkward in places. It could've done with a good deal less narration for certain.
 

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You know, I had my doubts...but this actually sounds like it could be a lot of fun. =D
 

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Moral of the story: All stories are lies, no matter who is telling it.

Here's my problem:

Since when does Maleficent, of all people, need to be sympathetic? She does what she does because she felt like doing it; because she could, not because of some asshole hurt her feelings. Before she was a bold, powerful creature of pure will, completely in control of herself and her destiny (for the most part), and now she's nothing; a victim, her agency completely stripped from her first by a man she thought she loved and then by a child she didn't want. (That "implied rape" goes deeper than onscreen action, does it not? well played, Disney... I think.)

So it's perfectly fine for some men just wanting to watch the world burn, but women? no, that's to much for her. She must have been raped.
 

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Couldn't she have murdered the king and paved the way for her new, unexpected protegé? Revenge claimed, political rival removed and someone she can reason with on the throne. Should be a piece-a piss for a super-witch. But then again, babies might be magic.

Further: Glory to Jafar, the true Sultan!

Soviet Heavy said:
A Jafar story in this vein would probably be set in the fucking Crusades.
Lionheart from Robin Hood better make an appearance.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
A Jafar story in this vein would probably be set in the fucking Crusades.
That idea... might not be completely unwatchable.
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Darth_Payn said:
Does anyone else cringe when Jolie tries an English accent, or is it just me?
to be truthful, I tend to cringe when I learn that Jolie is even in a movie. Nothing about her or her acting appeals to me.
 

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Disney has already released a teaser for Cinderella, featuring a minute long circling shot on the glass slipper (which is less a slipper and more a nine inch high heel stripper shoe...)
I'm still very interested in actually seeing this movie, even if it is a bit muddled and bizarre.
 

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Well, the effectiveness of it notwithstanding, it's nice to see Disney try something a little avant-garde and "out there" with one of their tried-and-true franchises. If only we could see more stuff like this and Kingdom Hearts, and fewer direct-to-DVD churned-out sequels.

Also, why is it that everyone assumes Bob wants to see Jafar's origin story? Maybe he wants to see the beginning of Iago's start of darkness ear-destroying unfunny comedic sidekick career.
 

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Diddy_Mao said:
Hmm. I've never really understood the appeal of Angelina Jolie as an actor but I'll admit she has a presence in this role that at least intrigues me and I do admit I love the visual style they've gone for.

The review/critique at least gives me hope for an interesting ride if nothing else.

Andrew Siribohdi said:
I'm surprised at the whole 'sympathetic villain' backlash movies like Maleficent have been getting.

I thought giving dimension to characters, through backstory and perspective change, was the way to give them depth.
It's a tricky tightrope to walk though. Staging events to make villainous actions relatable or even potentially justified is one thing and when done well they can provide an alternate take on a character that I'm more than prepared to accept.

My primary complaint with the setup to Maleficent was that I don't want to see a complete revisionist story that repaints her as the hero of the story.

What I'm more concerned with is taking an established setting and characters and revising the structure to make the villain into the hero.
Like the overgrimmed fairytales its an idea taken too far and act first had class act reasons (Macguire's output is effectivelly putting gay and nonnormal people BACK into the iconic works they feel disconnected with, Wicked is effectively an oz story for the counterculture kid of the 90s)
Also its.. well not unique anymore so with more examples we get more, embarassing realization its not sophisticated. ITs SOAP OPERA (the big complaint of OUAT, villains aren't just bad people like.. well real life)
That's it. At best you need to dirty up the good guys, which vilifies and detracts from them. And the best way is to not use fairy tales but what inspired them or do a lot of ground work to make a historically consistent context. And that's HARD WORK (to fail act see latter half of ASoIAF)
 

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2xDouble said:
Moral of the story: All stories are lies, no matter who is telling it.

Here's my problem:

Since when does Maleficent, of all people, need to be sympathetic? She does what she does because she felt like doing it; because she could, not because of some asshole hurt her feelings. Before she was a bold, powerful creature of pure will, completely in control of herself and her destiny (for the most part), and now she's nothing; a victim, her agency completely stripped from her first by a man she thought she loved and then by a child she didn't want. (That "implied rape" goes deeper than onscreen action, does it not? well played, Disney... I think.)

So it's perfectly fine for some men just wanting to watch the world burn, but women? no, that's to much for her. She must have been raped.
The only traditionally powerful figures of women are villains or chaotic forces, UNLESS they are nurturers or just gals doing guy things. ITs why Artemis is the emblem of girl power of the greek deities NOT Athena who actually got off her ass and did shit. Because artemis is aggressively NOT tied to fulfilling a role for men and defines her boundaries.

This means the villainesses are often women's heroes, they are the ones with power, goal, sexuality, and agency stuff females who are humans have, as to the rather bland shells of heroism even where girls take the lead ala Hansel and Gretel. So if you have a woman with power you kind of have to justify why she's being awful with it and "she was hurt" is something everyone can get onboard with while "just cause" is ALWAYS interpreted as villifying female agency as female with agency is the villain and is evil just out because. ITs the you versus girls suck at math thing.
 

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I won't go see it in theaters that's for sure, but when it comes up Netflix or something, I'll probably give it a look.
 

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I had similar feelings about it as well, I am not sure if we're supposed to love or hate Maleficent as a character.
 

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So Jolie finally learned how to act? Geez, this woman never got anything right other than looking cool or sexy, at least until real acting and character was required.

So alone for this I am intrigued.
 

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Wow... I actually want to see this now, even though it didn't sound like MovieBob really recommended it all that much. Also, a Jafar movie? ...You know what, fine, let's do it!
 

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So let me get this straight.
They took an old Disney princess movie... and they gave it artistic merit beyond "it's pretty".

Well then.
 

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Instead of just Disney animated properties why don't we expand in to anything movie wise. Imagine if the kind of madness they could create. But its just a pipe dream.
 

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Ickabod said:
The thing that gets me about this movie is, Who is it's audience?

It's not for kids or families
It's not for teenagers
It's not for males craving CGI transformers type of action
I doubt it's going to appeal towards women (not being one I couldn't say for sure, but wife has no interest).
It's not an art house type of movie

So I'm really asking, who is this movie made for?
Well Disney/ABC currently has there TV show Once Upon a Time which is quite popular that does this sort of subversion all the time... although maybe a little less dramatic (judging by the review) and always on a TV budget. But anyways on the show we've seen things like the Evil Queen (from Snow White) join the 'good' team, and Peter Pan play a major asshole villain while Captain Hook is the good guy.

Considering it's got a 4th season on the way with no signs of stopping and even spawned a spinoff series (haven't watched that one), I'm guessing that's where the inspiration for these 'villain' movies came from, and where the core audience will come from. For some reason the Twilight movies seemed to spawn a string of 'fairy tale' like movies, so that's another massive audience that will probably carry over.