Escape to the Movies: Maleficent - An Unusual Fairy Tale of Revenge

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Don't listen to this review, while bob is mostly right in his other reviews, he produced a very shallow perspective on this one.

The thing that is so great about this movie is that previous disney movies or princess movies are inherently flawed and naive. They always portrait the kingdoms the princess lived in were perfect with a wise king and kind followers, but we know in history and in reality that's not how things are. Human are greedy self serving bastards, it's a hard thing to admit but we are....which was shown in the first act of the movie. Maleficient wasn't portrait as a hero, or that the humans were the bad guys, the humans were just doing what human does in medieval era and she's just refused to be bullied and defended herself.

The kid she fell in love with didn't kill her and took her wings instead because even if his ambition is more important to him, she's still his childhood friend. Is it really so hard for bob to understand it isn't easy to kill someone you known all your life? And neither can she kill him because of the same reason?

The second act makes perfect sense too, when you spend enough time with someone, even if it's someone you don't initially liked, you will grow fond of them....and Maleficient spend 15-16 years with this child. Is it so hard to grasp that you can bond with someone after spending 15 years with them?

The redemption arc DOES work, Maleficient was portrait as good in the beginning, it is just what her boyfriend did to her that turned her dark, but transformation can go both ways, where her boyfriend turned her dark, the baby she cursed returned her back to the light. For someone who was inherently good, it isn't hard to believe that their experience can reawaken the good inside of them.

This movie isn't for kids, I'm not even sure it's for some adults, it's for someone that HAD a naive view of love and awaken from it. People who never been in love, had their hearts broken or still think that true love is between a man and a woman will not fathom this movie.

In addition, if you watch this movie with too much of a literal eye you wouldn't enjoy it much. Instead try to look at it as a metaphor or poetry.

The first act can be seen as someone falling in love and think the other person is the world, a lot of us have been there and can surly empathize.

Remember how our gf/bf want to breakup with us for whatever reasons but they don't want to hurt us too much because of guilt but it hurt no less after the fact? That's the act of her getting her wings torn.

We then brood and think that life isn't fair and how can the other person be such a ***** and feel that everything is fucked, that's the act of her going dark.

After awhile we find something or someone else to occupy our time, that's the princess arc, and eventually we get over our lost love, that's the "redemption" part but I see it more as self healing act or reawaken old qualities.

The most brilliant of it all is when we realized that there is more to "true love" than lush and infatuation between a man and a woman, and they portrait it perfectly in one act.

If you've been in love and had your heart broken and gained a new perspective on "love" after you gotten over it, then this movie is absolute poetry and it's BEAUTIFUL!
 

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I literally didn't have any interest in this movie until I heard him say that it felt like it had been hijacked by a lunatic. This review right here is why I'm going to go see this.
 

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AgDr_ODST said:
Uriel_Hayabusa said:
Bob's review convinced me to check it out just for the hell of it. This movie sounds like such a crazy idea that I can't help but want to see it with my own eyes.

Oh, and I don't think Jafar would be the ideal candidate for a revisionist retelling; I think it could work for Scar or the villain from Frozen, though. Maybe Gaston as well.
I'm torn regarding the idea of Jafar getting his story rewritten.[footnote] Saw a great idea but I hate the ideas of either Aladdin being the villain or Jasmine falling for Jafar.[/footnote] I do think a Gaston rewrite could be excellent if it turned out that among other things, Beauty gets Stockholm Syndrome during her time with Beast who really is just a dangerous animal, and the 'castle' could either be an abandoned one that the beast moved into or a cave filled with some familiar junk that Beauty decides can talk so that the grim, depressing nature of her situation doesn't drive her insane. Gaston could be someone who has loved her since they were kids, but because of his slight social ineptness he picks on her and comes across as bully because he can't bring himself to admit his feelings.
I actually would enjoy portraying Beast as really just that, seeing as I'm not a fan of the "socially maladjusted guy who actually has a heart of gold" archetype (it reeks of an idealization of loners) but if it were up to me I wouldn't have a good guy Gaston "picking on" Beauty, but rather hide his sensitive side with superficial machismo in an attempt to impress only to come around to that.
 

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I was on the fence about seeing this in the theatre or waiting for home release, and this review may have just pushed me into seeing it in the theatre. It actually sounds and looks pretty cool.
 

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The video crapped out on me in the last four seconds. Did any of his stinger images mention his opinion of a Million Ways to Die in the West?
 

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Andrew Siribohdi said:
I'm surprised at the whole 'sympathetic villain' backlash movies like Maleficent have been getting.

I thought giving dimension to characters, through backstory and perspective change, was the way to give them depth.
Some characters, sure, that can be a very good thing. But not FUCKING MALEFICENT, the goddamned QUEEN OF DARKNESS!
 

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bigfatcarp93 said:
Andrew Siribohdi said:
I'm surprised at the whole 'sympathetic villain' backlash movies like Maleficent have been getting.

I thought giving dimension to characters, through backstory and perspective change, was the way to give them depth.
Some characters, sure, that can be a very good thing. But not FUCKING MALEFICENT, the goddamned QUEEN OF DARKNESS!
Exactly; how do you add depth to an entity whose sole function is as The Antagonist? Maleficent isn't a character, she's a force, that's what made her effective. She's the most powerful sorceress in all the land and her driving motivation is, and lets be honest here, what any of us would do if we had her power; troll the rich and powerful. She needs depth like the Crank series needs restraint.

Plus her name sounds like a Finnish death metal band.
 

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Frozengale said:
Ronack said:
So, we should never watch your video's again because they're going to contain spoilers every, single time. >_>
Seems like it. I'm getting pretty sick of Bob not being able to actually discuss a movie without spoiling huge plot points. Probably not worth it to watch his stuff anymore.
I agree. Ya know Bob, isn't is amazing how almost every other film critic seems to be able to review a movie without discussing the plot front to back? I can do it, I used write the friggin' things; it's not that hard.

It's not that great to tell us what happens to the characters, only whether or not it holds together as a cohesive and interesting story, and how well the acting, pacing and such contributes to how well the whole thing is executed. Yes, you can compare it to other movies, and even mention the extent of what the filmmakers were going for, but this can be done in broad strokes without the need to pick apart the plot piece by piece. This isn't like a book club where people sit around and talk about the events and characters in a work they've already read. Your core audience is for people who haven't seen the movie. I don't want to know why Copley and Jolie's characters are at odds with each other, that shit I want to see and find out when I watch the thing. All I want is your opinion on how well that conflict works in the context of the story. You've done this just fine with other movies and even a spoiler warning isn't an excuse to go that far in-depth with the plot.

Well I'll stop with the complaining but yeah, keep this up and people will just stop watching after awhile.
 

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So. From what I'm hearing (and I haven't seen it, so my assessment may be wrong), Maleficent is a movie about sexual violence which, due to it being a Disney movie (or, to make a generalization, a recent movie), can't really show sex or violence. One that is about a powerful but shallowly portrayed female character getting fleshed out as being entirely motivated by some man with whom she's obsessed.

I hope this movie bombs, though I'm darkly suspicious that it wont.

On the other hand, A Million Ways to Die In the West was pretty fun. I think MacFarlane went a bit overboard trying to portray just how shitty the old west was to live in (not that I disagree with him) to the extent that it started to cut into the jokes and the movie's tone. Charlize Theron also shows up in a way that screams more 'let's get ladies in the theater/show how great Seth MacFarlane is at landing babes!' than giving any kind of explanation as to why she's even in the movie in context beyond being mad at Liam Neeson. Still definitely the right choice over Maleficent, though I am starting to get very tired of 'obsessed with some douchebag' as the motivation for literally everything every major female character in a movie does. I will say though that I found Amanda Seyfried's and Sarah Silverman's characters much more compelling than Theron's in spite of their relatively reduced screentime.
 

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So basically if i watch Sleeping Beauty after i watch this i'll feel sorry for Maleficent?

I'm okay with this. And to be fair this film sounds amazing, im glad Disney took such a huge risk, and i hope it's successful. Disney at the moment seem to be owning the film industry at the moment and i hope this inspires other film companies and directors to take more risks. If risks aren't taken and things changed up a bit films are going to get stale very fast.
 

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Deathfish15 said:
The only part of "rape" was about the male nurse in the first movie that apparently had sex with her and other coma victims (he got what he deserved by having his head smashed in with the door).
He also got what he deserved by being machine-gunned and then given a coup-de-grace headshot by Walter White last year.
 

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'I wonder what it's like to have "Howling Mad Murdock" be the most "normal" role you've ever gotten as an actor...'

@MovieBob - Have you not seen 'Europa Report'?
 

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Ickabod said:
The thing that gets me about this movie is, Who is it's audience?

It's not for kids or families
It's not for teenagers
It's not for males craving CGI transformers type of action
I doubt it's going to appeal towards women (not being one I couldn't say for sure, but wife has no interest).
It's not an art house type of movie

So I'm really asking, who is this movie made for?
I can see a lot of college aged girls enjoying the movie. The ones that grew up on disney princesses, but who're now mature and probably have taken a feminist class.
 

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still interested in it though. the trailer alone gave me the impression its a movie you can watch just for fun and from his video, its sounds just like that.
still gonna watch it. maybe some time next week.
 

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Wwwwwwwow. OK, this turned out even weirder than I expected. So DARK, although I did kind of infer the "she was tricked, betrayed and lost her wings" aspect from the trailer.

I still probably won't see it (I only very rarely go to the movies, usually only for things I KNOW I'll like) but I hope it does well just for having the balls to be this gonzo.

tdylan said:
So...take my 6 year old, Disney Princess obsessed daughter to see this, or not?
Would not advise.
 

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Ronack said:
So, we should never watch your video's again because they're going to contain spoilers every, single time. >_>
It's a review of a movie, I don't know what you're expecting? 6 minutes of "Yeah, it was good" or "Yeah it was bad" ?
 

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Jolie is just great when you gets into the matrial, want another Salt movie as well while talknig roles she gets(damn her face when she uses the smashed bottle). Will probally go watch as this all sounds fun.
 

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I haven't seen Maleficent yet and likely won't anytime soon but that last stinger at the end with Jafar...was that just Bob being wishful or was there a hint alluding to the next movie...along these lines, being about him? I'm down with that in a big way even though all evidence points to Cinderella being the next Disney live-action...remake...thing.
 

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Okay the "Lovechild of Mae West and Vegeta...on bathsalts." line literally made me spit take whiskey all over my computer. F*ck you Bob, I love you.