I think human stupidity finally reached the bottom. You can't get any dumber than this. Everybody knows that water eases the dehydration you fuckin' morons. Saying that it doesn't won't change the facts.
Yeah, I am pretty bloody convinced. That with the proper requirement of water I won't get dehydrated, not that any tiny amount of water will prevent dehydration for an indefinite length of time!Blablahb said:Treblaine said:WHAT BOLLOCKS! That's JUST THE SAME as saying if you don't eat enough food then you will starve... therefore food has nothing to do with preventing starvation!!!
Well, if you're so convinced, let's turn this into a science experiment. You drink bottled water, and then don't drink anything at all for a full week. If you're not experiencing any symptoms of dehydration by then, you win.
In summary: shoot the messenger, guilty-by-association and change the subject.Noswad said:News just in, more people taken in by an "isn't the EU stupid story" I thought everyone knew that these storys were rubbish, I mean for god sake the article quotes the straight banana story, which if you didn't consider complete rubbish first time round, you may have noticed that curved bananas still stock our supermarket shelves.
Oh and for those of you who didn't click on the link, you will discover that this story originated from the daily mail, sooooo yeah. Not wanting to offend anyone who reads it, but I'd double check everything I read there, especially articles concerning the EU.
It's such a shame, the EU is a massive movement in Global politics, sovereign nations slowly releasing there grip on power to a central authority. There are real issues to be discussed here, will the single currency survive, can Europe develop a single foreign policy and is the EU doing enough to be democratic, just to give a few examples and yet we still insist on getting bogged down in this shit.
Seriously whether your a Eurosceptic or a Europhile(real word, trust me) can we please just stop it.
Welcome to the great euro-debate.Darkmantle said:Okay, next time you get an infection, only take your first dose of anti-biotics and then don't take anymore for a week. if your infection comes back, I win.Blablahb said:Well, if you're so convinced, let's turn this into a science experiment. You drink bottled water, and then don't drink anything at all for a full week. If you're not experiencing any symptoms of dehydration by then, you win.Treblaine said:WHAT BOLLOCKS! That's JUST THE SAME as saying if you don't eat enough food then you will starve... therefore food has nothing to do with preventing starvation!!!
if you get cancer only go to your first chemo session and don't go for a month, if tthe cancer gets worse, I win.
if you are in severe and constant pain, just out of surgery for example (maybe after getting that cancer removed) only take pain meds for one day. if your pain comes back, I win.
dumb argument is dumb.
I don't think any one country or group of countries have a monopoly on this kind of stupidity.Revnak said:[sarcasm]
Only in the EU
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I think this quote here just about sums it up perfectly. As...absolutely face-slappingly stupefied as I was at this news, it's more of what we've already seen: bureaucratic BS taking over simple sense. But hey, maybe it's not so bad, maybe the news just got the whole thing a little too far out of proportion, and this really isn't all that-Yassen said:Tory MEP Roger Helmer said: ?This is stupidity writ large. The euro is burning, the EU is falling apart and yet here they are worrying about the obvious qualities of water. If ever there were an episode which demonstrates the folly of the great European project, then this is it.?
...oh for f*ck's sake.Yassen said:The decision was being hailed as the daftest Brussels edict since the EU sent down laws on how bendy bananas should be.
No factual claims?Treblaine said:Huh? At the centre of all my arguments is only the factual claim I have made is that water is hydrating...PhiMed said:Nonsense. You've berated everyone in this forum, asking for sources, and I don't think I've seen you provide a single one. It took me about 1 1/2 seconds to find this source. I googled "heat conditioning exercise physiology" and it was the very first link. If you had to search for hours, you're doing it wrong.
A truly intellectually curious conversant would've found this out for themselves. You're a sauce troll. You make claims without any knowledge of the subject, and without backing them up, and then demand sources from everyone who, correctly, calls you out when you're incorrect.
You just say what you believe to be true, and then when someone contradicts you, you ask them for a source, saying "it only makes sense." Try taking your own advice, guy.
Do I really need as source to back that up?!!?!?
If you would like specific sources I'll find them for you, just ask.
Um... really?Treblaine said:I'm struggling to see how the EU possibly has a case here.
All the other times it was things like only certain bananas had a curviness standard, not your regular bog-standard simply labelled "bananas" type of banana.
But things like saying:
"It declared that shortage of water in the body was just a symptom of dehydration."
That's rather explicit, that seems far too bold faced a lie and if they really did say that that is outrageous to say the cause is a symptom. Symptoms are things like blurred vision, reduced mental clarity, change in urine colour, you know, indications of what is actually happening!
Except dehydration is separate from low blood-salinity, Hyponatremia. They may appear similar but they are distinct.EmperorSubcutaneous said:Drinking water doesn't help ease dehydration as much as you would think. You need salt along with the water. Plain water by itself could make things even worse for you.
I need to know the whole story on this one.
Dehydration IS a lack of water, introducing water DOES counter that. HYDRATION. You have to drink and sweat crazy amounts before hypoatremia becomes a problem.
In only 13% of top athletes who run triathlons experience technical Hypoatremia and they are consuming VAST amounts of water in hot climates, over long distances and have a very targeted glucose-intense diet that tends to cut out salt because... well... salt is bad for you, right?
Also Hyponatremia is very unlikely in the public considering how salty our diets our anyway, you can't get away from the high levels of salt in all our foods and the main mode of loss of sodium (the important part of salt) is when water is lost through sweating. How often do you sweat enough to soak your clothes all the way through?
"looked up in less than 10 seconds"PhiMed said:No factual claims?Treblaine said:Huh? At the centre of all my arguments is only the factual claim I have made is that water is hydrating...PhiMed said:Nonsense. You've berated everyone in this forum, asking for sources, and I don't think I've seen you provide a single one. It took me about 1 1/2 seconds to find this source. I googled "heat conditioning exercise physiology" and it was the very first link. If you had to search for hours, you're doing it wrong.
A truly intellectually curious conversant would've found this out for themselves. You're a sauce troll. You make claims without any knowledge of the subject, and without backing them up, and then demand sources from everyone who, correctly, calls you out when you're incorrect.
You just say what you believe to be true, and then when someone contradicts you, you ask them for a source, saying "it only makes sense." Try taking your own advice, guy.
Do I really need as source to back that up?!!?!?
If you would like specific sources I'll find them for you, just ask.
Um... really?Treblaine said:I'm struggling to see how the EU possibly has a case here.
All the other times it was things like only certain bananas had a curviness standard, not your regular bog-standard simply labelled "bananas" type of banana.
But things like saying:
"It declared that shortage of water in the body was just a symptom of dehydration."
That's rather explicit, that seems far too bold faced a lie and if they really did say that that is outrageous to say the cause is a symptom. Symptoms are things like blurred vision, reduced mental clarity, change in urine colour, you know, indications of what is actually happening!
Except dehydration is separate from low blood-salinity, Hyponatremia. They may appear similar but they are distinct.EmperorSubcutaneous said:Drinking water doesn't help ease dehydration as much as you would think. You need salt along with the water. Plain water by itself could make things even worse for you.
I need to know the whole story on this one.
Dehydration IS a lack of water, introducing water DOES counter that. HYDRATION. You have to drink and sweat crazy amounts before hypoatremia becomes a problem.
In only 13% of top athletes who run triathlons experience technical Hypoatremia and they are consuming VAST amounts of water in hot climates, over long distances and have a very targeted glucose-intense diet that tends to cut out salt because... well... salt is bad for you, right?
Also Hyponatremia is very unlikely in the public considering how salty our diets our anyway, you can't get away from the high levels of salt in all our foods and the main mode of loss of sodium (the important part of salt) is when water is lost through sweating. How often do you sweat enough to soak your clothes all the way through?
Look, I agree that the EU is wrong here. I just pointed out that you were incorrect about the nature and incidence of hyponatremia, how it develops, in which groups it occurs, and why.
You responded by making air quotes at me when I used the phrase heat conditioning.
Kind of a dick move.
And telling people to cite things that can be looked up in less than 10 seconds is still pretty much the definition of intellectual laziness.
Hey, my way of saying is more fun and I didn't say not to criticize the EU, i meant actually criticize them about something important/true, like the lack of democracy like you mentioned.Treblaine said:In summary: shoot the messenger, guilty-by-association and change the subject.Noswad said:News just in, more people taken in by an "isn't the EU stupid story" I thought everyone knew that these storys were rubbish, I mean for god sake the article quotes the straight banana story, which if you didn't consider complete rubbish first time round, you may have noticed that curved bananas still stock our supermarket shelves.
Oh and for those of you who didn't click on the link, you will discover that this story originated from the daily mail, sooooo yeah. Not wanting to offend anyone who reads it, but I'd double check everything I read there, especially articles concerning the EU.
It's such a shame, the EU is a massive movement in Global politics, sovereign nations slowly releasing there grip on power to a central authority. There are real issues to be discussed here, will the single currency survive, can Europe develop a single foreign policy and is the EU doing enough to be democratic, just to give a few examples and yet we still insist on getting bogged down in this shit.
Seriously whether your a Eurosceptic or a Europhile(real word, trust me) can we please just stop it.
"can we please just stop it."
Yes, stop the criticism. This undemocratic board taking our money and involving themselves in our state affairs are beyond public criticism or scrutiny[/sarc]
Well they do present themselves as if they are in an unassailable position of "well, what would you do without us?", things like this just plant the idea in the minds of the public of "hmm, maybe The EU isn't all right on a fundamental level".Noswad said:Hey, my way of saying is more fun and I didn't say not to criticize the EU, i meant actually criticize them about something important/true, like the lack of democracy like you mentioned.Treblaine said:In summary: shoot the messenger, guilty-by-association and change the subject.Noswad said:News just in, more people taken in by an "isn't the EU stupid story" I thought everyone knew that these storys were rubbish, I mean for god sake the article quotes the straight banana story, which if you didn't consider complete rubbish first time round, you may have noticed that curved bananas still stock our supermarket shelves.
Oh and for those of you who didn't click on the link, you will discover that this story originated from the daily mail, sooooo yeah. Not wanting to offend anyone who reads it, but I'd double check everything I read there, especially articles concerning the EU.
It's such a shame, the EU is a massive movement in Global politics, sovereign nations slowly releasing there grip on power to a central authority. There are real issues to be discussed here, will the single currency survive, can Europe develop a single foreign policy and is the EU doing enough to be democratic, just to give a few examples and yet we still insist on getting bogged down in this shit.
Seriously whether your a Eurosceptic or a Europhile(real word, trust me) can we please just stop it.
"can we please just stop it."
Yes, stop the criticism. This undemocratic board taking our money and involving themselves in our state affairs are beyond public criticism or scrutiny[/sarc]
Actually, I said a second and a half, which is... wait, let me pull out my abacus... yes... less than 10 seconds.Treblaine said:"looked up in less than 10 seconds"PhiMed said:No factual claims?Treblaine said:Huh? At the centre of all my arguments is only the factual claim I have made is that water is hydrating...PhiMed said:Nonsense. You've berated everyone in this forum, asking for sources, and I don't think I've seen you provide a single one. It took me about 1 1/2 seconds to find this source. I googled "heat conditioning exercise physiology" and it was the very first link. If you had to search for hours, you're doing it wrong.
A truly intellectually curious conversant would've found this out for themselves. You're a sauce troll. You make claims without any knowledge of the subject, and without backing them up, and then demand sources from everyone who, correctly, calls you out when you're incorrect.
You just say what you believe to be true, and then when someone contradicts you, you ask them for a source, saying "it only makes sense." Try taking your own advice, guy.
Do I really need as source to back that up?!!?!?
If you would like specific sources I'll find them for you, just ask.
Um... really?Treblaine said:I'm struggling to see how the EU possibly has a case here.
All the other times it was things like only certain bananas had a curviness standard, not your regular bog-standard simply labelled "bananas" type of banana.
But things like saying:
"It declared that shortage of water in the body was just a symptom of dehydration."
That's rather explicit, that seems far too bold faced a lie and if they really did say that that is outrageous to say the cause is a symptom. Symptoms are things like blurred vision, reduced mental clarity, change in urine colour, you know, indications of what is actually happening!
Except dehydration is separate from low blood-salinity, Hyponatremia. They may appear similar but they are distinct.EmperorSubcutaneous said:Drinking water doesn't help ease dehydration as much as you would think. You need salt along with the water. Plain water by itself could make things even worse for you.
I need to know the whole story on this one.
Dehydration IS a lack of water, introducing water DOES counter that. HYDRATION. You have to drink and sweat crazy amounts before hypoatremia becomes a problem.
In only 13% of top athletes who run triathlons experience technical Hypoatremia and they are consuming VAST amounts of water in hot climates, over long distances and have a very targeted glucose-intense diet that tends to cut out salt because... well... salt is bad for you, right?
Also Hyponatremia is very unlikely in the public considering how salty our diets our anyway, you can't get away from the high levels of salt in all our foods and the main mode of loss of sodium (the important part of salt) is when water is lost through sweating. How often do you sweat enough to soak your clothes all the way through?
Look, I agree that the EU is wrong here. I just pointed out that you were incorrect about the nature and incidence of hyponatremia, how it develops, in which groups it occurs, and why.
You responded by making air quotes at me when I used the phrase heat conditioning.
Kind of a dick move.
And telling people to cite things that can be looked up in less than 10 seconds is still pretty much the definition of intellectual laziness.
Earlier you said it took you (who knew just what you were looking for) a minute and a half, now it's under 10 seconds. Huh?
If you want the source of that empirical observation you only had to ask:
http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/hydrationandfluid/a/Hyponatremia.htm
Anyway, hypoatremia is very tangential to the actual point of discussion, that is how under any circumstance the someone can consider it Illegal to state the fact that water helps prevent dehydration.
I didn't put Heat Conditioning in "air quotes" I put them in what are known simply as "quotes". I did so to clarify which particular term I was curious about. I had no idea anybody could be so sensitive about this. That is how quotation marks are used and nothing mean-spirited or callous is meant by them!
You seem to be blowing a lot of this out of proportion, like the "... well... salt is bad for you, right?" is clearly sardonic, not factual in an assertive way.
If that's the case, then such a sales pitch is slightly redundant in the first place, isn't it?Adam Jensen said:I think human stupidity finally reached the bottom. You can't get any dumber than this. Everybody knows that water eases the dehydration you fuckin' morons. Saying that it doesn't won't change the facts.
Problem is, it doesn't proactively stop you from being dehydrated. We're not camels.MelasZepheos said:And as a side note, if you aren't intelligent enough to know that water will stop you from being dehydrated then you are truly stupid.