Eve Online Panel Encourages Harassing Suicidal Player

[Blatherscythe]

Pardon me if I get all personal for a minute, but as someone who has struggled with MDD and suicidal attempts in the past, this absolutely disgusts me.

Really, how low can you go? (Please don't test the limbo, guys.)

If you tried to limbo under the bar now that it's been put so low you'd snap your spine in half.

More on topic I know an EVE player. Guy was an antisocial prick in junior high and pirates the games he plays. So considering that to be sucessful in EVE is to be an asshole, this type of behaviour seems normal for a sucessful EVE player.

 

[kyp275]

Not too sure why you quoted me.

Hope you enjoyed the time you spent?

perhaps to respond to your rather idiotic post?

On a side note: Woah boy, there are a lot of new accounts here arguing in support of the EVE asshole that acted like an utter shite of a human being -- strike that -- I meant to say the massive **** that made a dick of themselves and acted like an utter shite of a human being.

there's a difference between arguing in support of mittani's behavior and arguing that the whole thing was blown way out of proportion by assumptions and misinformations, not that I expect you to be able to tell the differences.

I dunno if having that sort of rabid playerbase is a good or bad thing...

yes, everyone who disagrees with your short-on-facts opinion must be because they're rabid fans who can't see reason. People linked this on the eve forum, people came in to see wholesale bash of the entire playerbase, what else do you expect?

Either way, I'm so very glad I decided not to give EVE a go a few days ago, lol.

and nothing of value was lost.

 

[lacktheknack]

Not too sure why you quoted me.

Hope you enjoyed the time you spent?

perhaps to respond to your rather idiotic post?

On a side note: Woah boy, there are a lot of new accounts here arguing in support of the EVE asshole that acted like an utter shite of a human being -- strike that -- I meant to say the massive **** that made a dick of themselves and acted like an utter shite of a human being.

there's a difference between arguing in support of mittani's behavior and arguing that the whole thing was blown way out of proportion by assumptions and misinformations, not that I expect you to be able to tell the differences.

I dunno if having that sort of rabid playerbase is a good or bad thing...

yes, everyone who disagrees with your short-on-facts opinion must be because they're rabid fans who can't see reason. People linked this on the eve forum, people came in to see wholesale bash of the entire playerbase, what else do you expect?

Either way, I'm so very glad I decided not to give EVE a go a few days ago, lol.

and nothing of value was lost.
and nothing of value was lost.

If the average Eve player is as aggressive and hostile as you, then you're right: As far as I'm concerned, nothing of value WAS lost when I decided not to play.

You're the reason I don't play MMOs.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

spaaaaceeee

Oh you make EVE sound like such a lovely place--very friendly. I'm glad such a nice person rushed to defend the game. If someone being rude and arrogant had tried, why, they would have made it look like the EVE playerbase is made up of socially awkward trolls.

Anywho, go ahead and fanboy it up in here in defense of your elected leaders. I don't think anyone is listening to you-being busy trying not to defend a drunken **** who encourages the mocking of a depressed individual. You hero, you.

 

[kyp275]

More on topic I know an EVE player. Guy was an antisocial prick in junior high and pirates the games he plays. So considering that to be sucessful in EVE is to be an asshole, this type of behaviour seems normal for a sucessful EVE player.

do I even have to bother to point out what kind of crappy strawman this is? It'd be like me saying I know this one guy Blatherscythe on escapist forum who's an ignorant prick, therefore everyone on that forum must be an ignorant prick.

There are successful players in Eve who are assholes, and there are successful players in Eve who are not assholes, just like every single game out there. Being an asshole is not a requirement to be successful in Eve, despite what you may believe.

I've played Eve, along with other PVE mmos for the past six years, I'd consider myself a relatively successful eve player (which btw, is a meaningless term in a sandbox game). I don't enjoy nor do I grief other players, I don't suicide gank players in hisec, but I do enjoy a good fight in lowsec and nullsec space once in awhile.

Eve is not your happy rainbow unicorn themepark MMO, but I do appreciate the harsh universe of Eve as it actually makes your achievements in game meaningful. The vast majority of players I've played with are simply decent folks who enjoy a game with real consequences, and I do take offense when ignorant people like you decides to cast the entire community as antisocial assholes from the action of a few.

It's ironic that I've seen more actual douchebags and assholes in this thread that I usually do on the eve forum, but hey, keep riding your moral highhorse.

 

[kyp275]

If the average Eve player is as aggressive and hostile as you, then you're right: As far as I'm concerned, nothing of value WAS lost when I decided not to play.

You're the reason I don't play MMOs.

is there a reason why I should play nice with people who were hostile to begin with? I'm perfectly capable of having reasonable debates when people use reason, and have done so earlier in this thread, but I fail to see why I should bother with those going zomgwtfbbqalleveplayersaresociopaths!!!!11!!one!!

Oh you make EVE sound like such a lovely place--very friendly. I'm glad such a nice person rushed to defend the game. If someone being rude and arrogant had tried, why, they would have made it look like the EVE playerbase is made up of socially awkward trolls.

Anywho, go ahead and fanboy it up in here in defense of your elected leaders. I don't think anyone is listening to you-being busy trying not to defend a drunken **** who encourages the mocking of a depressed individual. You hero, you.

please, use more ad hominems instead of actually respond to the points I raised. And for the record, I didn't vote for Mittani, nor was I the one talking out of my ass by calling for manslaugher charges and jail time before I even know what was going on. Just because I don't think he should burn in hell for the next five thousand years doesn't mean I'm defending what he did.

 

[lacktheknack]

If the average Eve player is as aggressive and hostile as you, then you're right: As far as I'm concerned, nothing of value WAS lost when I decided not to play.

You're the reason I don't play MMOs.

is there a reason why I should play nice with people who were hostile to begin with? I'm perfectly capable of having reasonable debates when people use reason, and have done so earlier in this thread, but I fail to see why I should bother with those going zomgwtfbbqalleveplayersaresociopaths!!!!11!!one!!

Yes. The reason is that lighting fire on fire doesn't put it out.

 

[kyp275]

If the average Eve player is as aggressive and hostile as you, then you're right: As far as I'm concerned, nothing of value WAS lost when I decided not to play.

You're the reason I don't play MMOs.

is there a reason why I should play nice with people who were hostile to begin with? I'm perfectly capable of having reasonable debates when people use reason, and have done so earlier in this thread, but I fail to see why I should bother with those going zomgwtfbbqalleveplayersaresociopaths!!!!11!!one!!

Yes. The reason is that lighting fire on fire doesn't put it out.

so I guess the correct thing to do is just to lay here and let people light me on fire instead?

or do you mean it's perfectly ok for people from this site to be hostile and aggressive?

 

[lacktheknack]

If the average Eve player is as aggressive and hostile as you, then you're right: As far as I'm concerned, nothing of value WAS lost when I decided not to play.

You're the reason I don't play MMOs.

is there a reason why I should play nice with people who were hostile to begin with? I'm perfectly capable of having reasonable debates when people use reason, and have done so earlier in this thread, but I fail to see why I should bother with those going zomgwtfbbqalleveplayersaresociopaths!!!!11!!one!!

Yes. The reason is that lighting fire on fire doesn't put it out.

so I guess the correct thing to do is just to lay here and let people light me on fire instead?

or do you mean it's perfectly ok for people from this site to be hostile and aggressive?

Ah... sitting around and doing nothing isn't the water I'm hinting at.

The correct thing to do would be to respond levelheadedly that the targeted miner hasn't commited suicide, and indeed has barely noticed anything, and thus, the manslaughter charges are unnecessary and foolish. Then you ask them to research further themselves.

Don't call them worthless, imply that they're stupid, and tell them to get over themselves.

 

[kyp275]

Ah... sitting around and doing nothing isn't the water I'm hinting at.

The correct thing to do would be to respond levelheadedly that the targeted miner hasn't commited suicide, and indeed has barely noticed anything, and thus, the manslaughter charges are unnecessary and foolish. Then you ask them to research further themselves.

Don't call them worthless, imply that they're stupid, and tell them to get over themselves.

point taken, and I admit I've gotten more riled up over this than I should've.

on the other hand, it's pretty annoying when everything you've said were already pointed out earlier in the thread, sometimes literally just a couple posts above some of these comments, it's pretty obvious they didn't bother, or cared to know what actually happened.

But such is the court of public opinion, where the rush to judgement is paramount over everything else.

 

[KristofferAG]

I don't really know what context this is in, or whether what was shown during the panel came from someone trying to get attention and sympathy by lying, but that doesn't make it okay. This is pretty serious, especially if the person actually has issues. You should step carefully around something like this, instead of trying to joke about it.

 

[Strazdas]

This whole thread can propbably be summed up in a cliche becomming "1% problems" thing.
Some very popular jerk said jerky jokes in a place that happen to be popular. which is pretty much what the whole internet is.
The guy did nothing wrong. deal with it. even if in your inefficient brain you seem to think he did something wrong, what he did is absolutely nothing compared to bigger part of humanity anyway.
i can only applaud the efforts of kyp275 in attempting to fight this battle. all the best luck to you.

P.S. capcha: rhyme for reason, whatever escapist did, capcha lately been very to the point.

 

[Moromillas]

Why on earth are players defending this? Ok, so the guy made an apology and threw him some virtual peanuts. So? How the, FUCK, can that be used as justification. Kinda something you can't downplay, or call it anything less than abhorrent, it really shouldn't be happening in the first place.

 

[Jae Onasi]

As someone who has had to call the police twice for online friends trying to commit suicide (thank God the police saved both), I find this panel's actions reprehensible. Anyone who laughed or agreed with the presenter are just as guilty for creating this negative environment as the presenter himself.

The person passing out the information put the suicidal player at risk for further harassment. The presenter should have contacted EvE Online's customer support team to report the suicidal comments to get help to the player rather than laughing at him.

Sometimes suicide threats are false. Sometimes, however, the person is actively trying to kill himself or herself. You cannot assume that the threat is false. It is imperative to call for help each time--the cost for being wrong is simply too high.

 

[Guardian of Nekops]

So, two things... first, expecting some random guy online, especially in a game, to care about your personal problems is a tad unrealistic. After all, the person you're confiding in may well be trying to get away from THEIR OWN personal problems, which may indeed be severe.

The fact that this private communication ever saw the light of day means that the poor fellow who sent it needs to be more careful in who he trusts. Some people are, clearly, not worthy of that sort of trust, and it is only wise to get to know them better before you risk reaching out.

Secondly, though... seriously? Nobody expects you to be someone's confidant in an online game. Granted, I've met some great folks online, but you're not required to talk someone off the ledge... again, your own personal problems to avoid, leisure time, free country, all that. HOWEVER. It costs you NOTHING to be polite, make up some excuse to stop talking, and keep your mouth shut about it like a decent human being.

Life gets pretty rough, sometimes, and kicking someone right after they let you know they're down? That's just low. I can only hope the folks who are around you when you hit the rocks have more charity in them.

 

[zehydra]

Seriously, I don't. With the death threats and demanding refunds on charaties over ME3. Harrasment over not being computer savvy or new at a game genre and now this?

This industry is getting sickening...

tell me if you find me an alternative, in the mean time, we're going to have to deal with it, no?

What they did obviously wasn't ok, but people have done a lot worse to warrant that annoying "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" meme.

 

[RaikuFA]

Seriously, I don't. With the death threats and demanding refunds on charaties over ME3. Harrasment over not being computer savvy or new at a game genre and now this?

This industry is getting sickening...

tell me if you find me an alternative, in the mean time, we're going to have to deal with it, no?

What they did obviously wasn't ok, but people have done a lot worse to warrant that annoying "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" meme.

Thats the sad thing we have to. We have to deal with the death threats over needing to build a new computer or wanting to learn how to play a new game genre. We have to deal with harassment on xbox live. It shouldn't happen, but we have to.

 

[Strazdas]

Why on earth are players defending this? Ok, so the guy made an apology and threw him some virtual peanuts. So? How the, FUCK, can that be used as justification. Kinda something you can't downplay, or call it anything less than abhorrent, it really shouldn't be happening in the first place.

why on earth (ok maybe on earth, but nowhere else) should players be defending him in the first place?

As someone who has had to call the police twice for online friends trying to commit suicide (thank God the police saved both), I find this panel's actions reprehensible. Anyone who laughed or agreed with the presenter are just as guilty for creating this negative environment as the presenter himself.

So first you limit peoples personal choices by imposing police on them, then thank your imaginary friend for them and then claim you are right? only on earth this can happen.

Sometimes suicide threats are false. Sometimes, however, the person is actively trying to kill himself or herself. You cannot assume that the threat is false. It is imperative to call for help each time--the cost for being wrong is simply too high.

you mean the cost of a person actually having a choice about his life?


Anyway, looks like CCP has caved into pressure. No more fun at fanfest:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28575

 

[Bassik]

Humans are terrible people.

Sometimes suicide threats are false. Sometimes, however, the person is actively trying to kill himself or herself. You cannot assume that the threat is false. It is imperative to call for help each time--the cost for being wrong is simply too high.

you mean the cost of a person actually having a choice about his life?

I stand corrected.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

(Face palm) ...I hate people sometimes. I really do.