Eve Online Panel Encourages Harassing Suicidal Player

[kyp275]

You can sneer about "self-righteousness" or call people "muppets" or accuse them of jumping on the bandwagon all you want. In light of the reality, it says far more about the name-callers than it does about those who are angry. I won't say I approve of some members' blanket condemnation of Eve Online or its players, but I haven't exactly seen a lot of the people on the other side of the issue making a good case for those players' understanding and compassion if they're setting themselves up as examples.

If there's something I'm "failing to understand" as an "outsider" about encouraging others to hector someone to the point of suicide, praise all the powers that be that I'm an outsider, and I'll take the scorn that comes with it with grateful thanks.

My issue with people like you is how you jump to conclusions with nothing more than soundbites and headlines while filling in the blanks with your own assumptions and then start flinging your obviously-right-because-I-said-so conclusions around as if they are facts.

What Mittani said makes him a immature douche no doubt, and being drunk when he said doesn't excuse him, but frankly it's no worse than that what's thrown around daily on xbox live or facebook for that matter.

Claiming he was cyberbullying is just moronic of the highest degree. There was no victim, the Wiz himself wasn't even aware of the incident, and thought the entire thing was funny after he found out. If this counts as cyberbullying, then I guess everyone who's ever been called names in an online game are also victims of cyberbullying amirite?

Mittani made a poor joke that crossed the line, which was based on a fake suicidal gank victim who got rich and is lol-ing at this whole thing, get over it.

 

[Akisa]

You can sneer about "self-righteousness" or call people "muppets" or accuse them of jumping on the bandwagon all you want. In light of the reality, it says far more about the name-callers than it does about those who are angry. I won't say I approve of some members' blanket condemnation of Eve Online or its players, but I haven't exactly seen a lot of the people on the other side of the issue making a good case for those players' understanding and compassion if they're setting themselves up as examples.

If there's something I'm "failing to understand" as an "outsider" about encouraging others to hector someone to the point of suicide, praise all the powers that be that I'm an outsider, and I'll take the scorn that comes with it with grateful thanks.

My issue with people like you is how you jump to conclusions with nothing more than soundbites and headlines while filling in the blanks with your own assumptions and then start flinging your obviously-right-because-I-said-so conclusions around as if they are facts.

What Mittani said makes him a immature douche no doubt, and being drunk when he said doesn't excuse him, but frankly it's no worse than that what's thrown around daily on xbox live or facebook for that matter.

Claiming he was cyberbullying is just moronic of the highest degree. There was no victim, the Wiz himself wasn't even aware of the incident, and thought the entire thing was funny after he found out. If this counts as cyberbullying, then I guess everyone who's ever been called names in an online game are also victims of cyberbullying amirite?

Mittani made a poor joke that crossed the line, which was based on a fake suicidal gank victim who got rich and is lol-ing at this whole thing, get over it.

Where is your proof the person was laughing it off, or even if he's pretending to laughing it off to keep face?

 

[kyp275]

Where is your proof the person was laughing it off, or even if he's pretending to laughing it off to keep face?

there was a chatlog linked in one of my earlier post of the "victim" being completely unaware of the whole incident until his friend told him about it, where he pretty much proceeded to go "huh? lol whatever, time to go back to the game".

Edit: I'll post it for ya

[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya
[21:10:22] The Wis > Hello
[21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine
[21:10:50] The Wis > No why?
[21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/
[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis"
[21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on?
[21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth
[21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates
[21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing.
[21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said.
[21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and ****
[21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up
[21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though
[21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec
[21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting
[21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here.
[21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s
[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason
[21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying
[21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.
[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought.
[21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun.

 

[kyp275]

also, this pretty much sums this whole thing up

"#809 Posted: 2012.03.27 03:37 | Report | Edited by: Ranger 1

Crusader: Sir, SIR!!! You need to come with me and press charges immediately. You have been VICTIMIZED!


Confused: I have?


Crusader: Yes indeed. A few days ago that man over there was overheard by many people saying "If you want to help Confused end it all go talk to him, and take your cards".


Confused: Huh? Oh yeah. I wasn't aware he said it until he came up to me this morning and apologized for what he had said. Then he gave me a pile of money to make up for it. It confused the hell out of me, but okay... I'll take his money. See, we were playing poker a few years ago and after I lost my shirt I said "Remind me to shoot myself the next time I sit in on a poker game when I'm broke." No big deal really, I had forgotten all about it.


Crusader: Totally irrelevant. He was inciting people to cause you to commit suicide. We must take action NOW!


Confused: Uh, but I never had any intention of...


Crusader: Irrelevant! The man must pay for his crime.


Confused: But I'm fine...


Crusader: Irrelevant!!


Confused: I really think he was just jok...


Crusader: Irrelevant!!!


Confused: Who the hell are you anyway?


Crusader: Irrelevant!!!!


Confused: Could you just leave me alone now please? Your ranting is starting to draw a crowd, and you're stressing me out.


Crusader: No! Justice must be served for this crime against you.


Confused: (Muttering) Now where did I leave that gun..."

 

[Akisa]

Have you known anyone who has suicide or any sort of training in psychology? Ok lets say he wasn't suicidal, it doesn't ignore the fact the presenter was still in the wrong for making fun of a possible suicidal message and then requesting people to make him commit suicide, in a public event no less.

Despite The Mittani apology, I feel he should at the very least resign. His behavior was totally out of line of decent human being and doesn't matter if he was drunk or not.


*Edit*

To be clear I believe he crossed the line as soon as the slide showing a possible suicidal player was placed. Was The Mittani drunk when he selected the slide? Possible but unlikely.

*/Edit*

 

[Siege_TF]

Singling out any individual for any reason in a setting like that isn't something I approve of.
Unless it's Poof of FFXI.

 

[Akisa]

Snip

And some more food for thought

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7167/thewis2.png

 

[kyp275]

Have you known anyone who has suicide or any sort of training in psychology?

yes

Ok lets say he wasn't suicidal, it doesn't ignore the fact the presenter was still in the wrong for making fun of a possible suicidal message and then requesting people to make him commit suicide.

agreed

Despite The Mittani apology, I feel he should at the very least resign. His behavior was totally out of line of decent human being and doesn't matter if he was drunk or not.

He may very well resign, though personally I would rather he doesn't, and I don't even like the guy. Being drunk does not excuse what was said, but at the same time the fact remains that it occurred during a presentation by what is traditionally a panel of very drunk alliance leaders to what is also very likely a drunk audience about srs internet spaceship lulz, it just so happen that this time someone took it too far. Love him or hate him, mittani did a good job during CSM6, and as an EVE player I would much prefer that he remains on CSM7.


Personally I think today's society takes political-correctness a little too far sometimes. His cardinal sin is that he crossed the line on a live broadcast. Can you imagine what you'd hear if there are webcast of say, college frat houses during parties?


Edit: something else to think about too:

Istvaan Shogaatsu

#1145 Posted: 2012.03.26 21:32 | Report

As someone who has suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation for a majority of his life, I think it's pretty disgusting how so many people are trying to use this event as an excuse to get Mittani in trouble.

You people don't give a rat's ass about the suicidal guy in actuality, and this much is blatantly obvious - you just want to leverage the fact that "there's a suicidal guy" to get Mittens out of CSM. The "suicidal guy" in question is probably going to suffer more from the widespread media exposure you gave him by dredging up this non-event, than he would have from a handful of Goons acting predictably asinine.

Go shoot the Jita monument some more, you utter prats.

 

[Shjade]

And I'm reminded why the EVE fanbase is the scum of the internet... They're even worse than Lol and --

Nope, stop right there: no game community is as bad as LoL's.

 

[jurnag12]

Well, I see one CSM member who isn't getting re-elected any time soon.

Sounds like something the Eve player-base would do. The game is built for people who have only the minimal human functions and social-skills. They likely see the death of another player simply as one less person they have to compete with in the game.

There's plenty of friendly, social people on EVE. The fact that only the big heists, frauds, schemes and wars reach any sort of news doesn't mean that everyone's like that.

Not that any of those things are indicative of the personalities behind them. The game encourages it because its a game.

This is just cunts being cunts.

That was mostly my point.

 

[Wintermoot]

how the fuck? and nobody stopped this guy? I understand trolling but this is to far!

 

[NortherWolf]

You can sneer about "self-righteousness" or call people "muppets" or accuse them of jumping on the bandwagon all you want. In light of the reality, it says far more about the name-callers than it does about those who are angry. I won't say I approve of some members' blanket condemnation of Eve Online or its players, but I haven't exactly seen a lot of the people on the other side of the issue making a good case for those players' understanding and compassion if they're setting themselves up as examples.

If there's something I'm "failing to understand" as an "outsider" about encouraging others to hector someone to the point of suicide, praise all the powers that be that I'm an outsider, and I'll take the scorn that comes with it with grateful thanks.

My issue with people like you is how you jump to conclusions with nothing more than soundbites and headlines while filling in the blanks with your own assumptions and then start flinging your obviously-right-because-I-said-so conclusions around as if they are facts.

What Mittani said makes him a immature douche no doubt, and being drunk when he said doesn't excuse him, but frankly it's no worse than that what's thrown around daily on xbox live or facebook for that matter.

Claiming he was cyberbullying is just moronic of the highest degree. There was no victim, the Wiz himself wasn't even aware of the incident, and thought the entire thing was funny after he found out. If this counts as cyberbullying, then I guess everyone who's ever been called names in an online game are also victims of cyberbullying amirite?

Mittani made a poor joke that crossed the line, which was based on a fake suicidal gank victim who got rich and is lol-ing at this whole thing, get over it.

The problem with you, and the other EVE-bots here is that you can just as easily to to the EvEOnline forums and see exactly the sort of behavior you claim isn't really there for yourself. Heck, I'll give a link to you: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=996675#post996675

 

[kyp275]

The problem with you, and the other EVE-bots here is that you can just as easily to to the EvEOnline forums and see exactly the sort of behavior you claim isn't really there for yourself. Heck, I'll give a link to you: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=996675#post996675

just what behavior am I claiming doesn't exist? maybe you should stop trying to put words in my mouth mr. whatever-bot you are.

 

[direkiller]

Well, I see one CSM member who isn't getting re-elected any time soon.

Sounds like something the Eve player-base would do. The game is built for people who have only the minimal human functions and social-skills. They likely see the death of another player simply as one less person they have to compete with in the game.

There's plenty of friendly, social people on EVE. The fact that only the big heists, frauds, schemes and wars reach any sort of news doesn't mean that everyone's like that.

The obvious difference is that "heists, frauds, schemes and wars" are awesome to read about. This just proves that some humans... are not actually humans.

as someone who has done heist(1 over 10bill about 7 or so rangeing from 1-6bill),schemes http://www.evenews24.com/2011/11/11/dead-irish-interviews-psychotic-monk/ (not me being interviewed but I was in on that one),wars,canflipping

I can tell you the criminals of that game tend to be nicer then the carebears
hell half the people I talk to in the game started with me blowing up there stuff or stealing it.

Don't get me wrong if someones fuming mad il laugh my ass off. Never had someone get depressed on me though.

OT: Sigh
stupid is is stupid dose i guess

 

[Akisa]

Have you known anyone who has suicide or any sort of training in psychology?

yes

Ok lets say he wasn't suicidal, it doesn't ignore the fact the presenter was still in the wrong for making fun of a possible suicidal message and then requesting people to make him commit suicide.

agreed

Despite The Mittani apology, I feel he should at the very least resign. His behavior was totally out of line of decent human being and doesn't matter if he was drunk or not.

He may very well resign, though personally I would rather he doesn't, and I don't even like the guy. Being drunk does not excuse what was said, but at the same time the fact remains that it occurred during a presentation by what is traditionally a panel of very drunk alliance leaders to what is also very likely a drunk audience about srs internet spaceship lulz, it just so happen that this time someone took it too far. Love him or hate him, mittani did a good job during CSM6, and as an EVE player I would much prefer that he remains on CSM7.


Personally I think today's society takes political-correctness a little too far sometimes. His cardinal sin is that he crossed the line on a live broadcast. Can you imagine what you'd hear if there are webcast of say, college frat houses during parties?


Edit: something else to think about too:

Now I haven't been to EVE Fanfest, but from what I believe it's a public event cameras expected to be there and filmed, and on top of that they were suppose to be represent the players and in a way CCP (with a major new release [Dust] coming soon no less). Mittani should've known better not to post a possible suicidal message in a public event even before he got drunk during the event.

 

[kyp275]

Well, I see one CSM member who isn't getting re-elected any time soon.

Sounds like something the Eve player-base would do. The game is built for people who have only the minimal human functions and social-skills. They likely see the death of another player simply as one less person they have to compete with in the game.

There's plenty of friendly, social people on EVE. The fact that only the big heists, frauds, schemes and wars reach any sort of news doesn't mean that everyone's like that.

The obvious difference is that "heists, frauds, schemes and wars" are awesome to read about. This just proves that some humans... are not actually humans.

as someone who has done heist(1 over 10bill about 7 or so rangeing from 1-6bill),schemes http://www.evenews24.com/2011/11/11/dead-irish-interviews-psychotic-monk/ (not me being interviewed but I was in on that one),wars,canflipping

I can tell you the criminals of that game tend to be nicer then the carebears
hell half the people I talk to in the game started with me blowing up there stuff or stealing it.

Don't get me wrong if someones fuming mad il laugh my ass off. Never had someone get depressed on me though.

yea, but for some people blowing up other's internet spaceship in a game about blowing up other people's internet spaceship means you're a sociopath

 

[Fearzone]

They should hold the event on new years EVE!! Bu-dum PAH!

Glad to see CCP handled the incident well.

Retarded people are retarded.

 

[Krantos]

Sounds like something the Eve player-base would do. The game is built for people who have only the minimal human functions and social-skills.

As Yahtzee called them: "The nerds who are to nerds what nerds are to normal people."

 

[Charli]

Like I needed more reasons to stay away from EvE. It already looks like a grim 'game' from the outside already. And these kind of people really need a reality check.

 

[NortherWolf]

Sounds like something the Eve player-base would do. The game is built for people who have only the minimal human functions and social-skills.

As Yahtzee called them: "The nerds who are to nerds what nerds are to normal people."

After all of this I'm not sure that quote is correct.
It's more akin to: What religious fanatics are to religious moderates; Scary, threatening and at best shameful.

The problem with you, and the other EVE-bots here is that you can just as easily to to the EvEOnline forums and see exactly the sort of behavior you claim isn't really there for yourself. Heck, I'll give a link to you: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=996675#post996675

just what behavior am I claiming doesn't exist? maybe you should stop trying to put words in my mouth mr. whatever-bot you are.

Ah, of course, how silly of me. I just assumed that the multitude of "I've never posted before but now there's then of us posting at the same time honestly I'm not a duplicate account, honestly"-people would try and tone the smug asshole-attitude of EvE-players down.
I've spent the last hour reading up on EvE online forum stuff...And honestly, there seems to be good people in there, but just as many if not more of douchebags beyond any I've met in my time online.