I have no problem with DLC as a concept, but when I'm being intentionally sold an incomplete game for full price and then have to buy the rest of it as DLC, that's when I have a problem. Which incidentally is exactly what you're doing Mr. Robb.
I agree with this sentiment. I usually have two responses to DLC. Either it's released months after the game ships, in which case I've most likely beaten the game and moved on with my life, or it's released on day one, in which case I refuse to buy it on principle, since it should have been included free of charge.Steven Bogos said:I completely agree. I just want to pay for a game ONCE and get all of its content. You know, back in the good old days where you bought a game, and any future content was free, released in patches, or bundled with a major, MAJOR amount of content in an expansion pack.Zhukov said:I don't find it dirty or underhanded. I think the automatic hysteria over DLC is a bit dumb.
I do however find it rather tiresome. I don't want to have to look at a fucking flowchart when buying a game.
Just give me everything and put a fucking price tag on it. I shall then decide whether or not I want to pay that price. Bam. Done. Sold. Simple.
So why make it seem like the DLC is stuff that we'd be missing out on because the devs didn't have enough time or budget to include it in the game? More straight up lies! If DLC is planned from the beginning of the game's design then these elements we'll be paying extra for were not leftovers - they are, at the very best, elements designed to be DLC - at the very worst, they're elements taken away from the game."There are way too many ideas we cannot fit into the box, Budget-wise, time-wise, there's too much cool shit for us to leave it laying there and never do anything with it. But we wanted to be good about it as consumers,"
All that preorder stuff that was up before stuff was done is still up. You aren't being forced into blindly buying stuff. You can wait until its finished and it's still available to buy. What's "not done yet" in the base game preorder? Just the fourth monster. That's a bonus for preordering. You don't preorder just to get the fourth monster. That would be dumb. You preorder because you like what's already been shown about the game and you get a bonus monster down the line as a reward. There are hours upon hours of video for all of the base game and a good chunk of the DLC. You can make a decision whether or not to buy the base game based upon that and know exactly what you are getting. The DLC stuff? Most of that is known content as well and not "not done yet" stuff.gamegod25 said:Hey I like DLC (in general) and I'm not condemning them simply for having it. It's the way they are handling it that makes me angry. When you are pushing the DLC harder than the game itself, announcing pre-orders before people get a chance to see the game, and still selling that extra content even before it's done....THAT is the problem.Darxide said:People have been burned by terrible companies doing terribly unethical things with DLC just to make a buck. I understand that, but to automatically try to shove anybody who produces DLC into that box makes you just as terrible as those terrible companies. Even if a game is designed for DLC that doesn't make it bad or the company bad.Zhukov said:I don't find it dirty or underhanded. I think the automatic hysteria over DLC is a bit dumb.
I've looked over what the DLC polices are for Evolve and find nothing wrong with them in the slightest and the people blindly jumping on the bandwagon that there is something wrong with it I only have one thing to say: You are what's wrong with gamers today. You ARE the problem.
And no, I would say that designing a game for DLC is a bad thing and anti-consumer. Because then you aren't selling a game and then offering some extra bits later, you are just selling a platform for the real content. It's not hard to feel ripped off or like you aren't getting the full experience when you are greeted with a wall of DLC before the game is even out yet. Okay some of the extra content isn't "done yet"...well then wait till it is before you try selling it. Simple, no?
Too bad they won't. They care enough to whine about being accused of doing this kind of crap, but not enough to actually do anything to fix it.Cid Silverwing said:Then stop doing dirty underhanded shit.
Goddamnit.
Just stop it.
You imbeciles.
Preorder bonuses ARE day-one DLC, Phil.Steven Bogos said:But we wanted to be good about it as consumers," which is consistent with his earlier statement that when Evolve ships, none of it's DLC will be finished [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/139496-Evolve-Dev-Defends-DLC-Practices].