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Eternal_Lament

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BiH-Kira said:
Juan Regular said:
Srdjan Tanaskovic said:
Motion Control: Bad
3DS: Bad
New Games in there franchises: Bad
Upcoming Console: Bad

I mean really?
And he backs all of it up with valid points, doesn´t he? But to me The franchise thing has always been the biggest stone in my shoe. I used to love Mario, Zelda, Metroid and so forth when I was a kid but now after seeing them for years on end, I´ve gotten so sick of all of them. At some point you have to leave the old heroes be and create some new ones.
No he doesn't.

He's talking how PS3 and Xbox are to expensive for third part developers, jet he thinks 3D is bad since it's not a hologram.
He doesn't like motion control since he didn't play a game with GOOD motion controls where the motion was used in a natural way (play Red Steal 2 and you will see how awesome motion controls are when done right)

He doesn't like new games of Nintendo's olf franchises, jet he doesn't give even 1 solid reason. No, Mario Galaxy 2 is not a clone of Galaxy one. It's a continuation of the story. Is CoD 4 a clone of CoD 3?

Upcoming console, where NOTHING is really knows, jet he doesn't like it.
I see tons of possible uses for the screen, only if those developers know how to use it right. Not "put something there so it seems like we used it".

He does have some points, but the whole text looks like a HUGE rant because Nintendo tries to innovate, but doesn't do it right, jet he completely ignores Sony and MS who didn't do ANYTHING for the game industry at all.

He just sounds like a kid who hates Nintendo, nothing more.
I'm disappointed. Try pointing those fingers some someone who seriously deserves it (Sony, MS).
-He says he doesn't like 3D because it adds almost nothing to the gaming experience. And when Nintendo themselves say that all of the games on their system can play fine without the 3D, it just shows how little 3D actually does.

-He has played Red Steel 2, he reviewed it in fact. He said it did motion controls fine, but he pointed out that one game that functions fine with it does not mean motion controls are the way to go. One good game does not make up the rule for motion controls, it makes up the exception, something he pointed out.

-He has given reasons why he doesn't like new games in old franchises: because he is generally opposed to sequels. Further, its not so much that he thinks the games are say the worst games ever made, rather he hates the mentality behind them, giving gamers the same game with the differences minut enough to warrent DLC but not full price. If you want proff of this, look no further then his review of Mario Galaxy 2, where he says the game is enjoyable but admitadly feels samey and copy-pastes levels and fights from previous Mario games. To answer your question BTW, while I haven't played the galaxy series, I'll say this about CoD (series is okay, but I could care less about CoD): at least CoD 4 was set in modern era while CoD 3 was set in WW2, so at least the similar mechanics are being tested in different scenarios.

-He doesn't like the current rumours circulating around. Is he not allowed to have an opinion on them? Its one thing to disagree with ones opinion, its another to say they shouldn't have one. Otherwise every site that posts these rumours and adds even a hint of opinion or speculation is wrong in your books, even the ones that have a positive reaction to the rumours.

-This goes back to what he has said about motion controls. Sure, there are tons of possibilities with it, but who is actually going to impliment them? Further, how many games out there are actually going to benefit with this feature? Sure, perhaps there are certain genres out there that can benefit, but what about the ones that don't? Do they simply fall to the way-side or are they forced along a path? This is his problem, not that some games may have this control scheme, but that there will be several that don't need it and only serve to show how little the control adds to the game. If you take a look back at his reviews for Galaxy 1 and No More Heros 2, he points out that despite the fact that these games are championed as some of the best games on the Wii that they are in fact games that would've worked better on other systems.

-This was an article about Nintendo. Why would he bring Sony or Microsoft into it? It would be like doing an article that talked about the issues of shooters and complaining that it doesn't mention the issues of other genres such as platformers or puzzle games. Further, it would be one thing if he was complaining about an innovation that may not do well but at least has good intentions or original thought, but he isn't. Its not like the screen on the controller is something new. Ignoring the Dream Cast, remember when Nintendo would allow users to connect their GBA to their Game Cube and use that as the controller? Sure no touch capabilities but it is roughly similar in execution.

-Good intentions do not make up for bad results. Just because Nintendo has made some good games (personally I'm not a big fan, but some stuff is okay), has started certain gaming trends, and used to have good intentions with their creations does not excuse them from criticism.
 

Sabinfrost

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Pretty sure the thing sold like hotcakes, sold out at most EB games here in Aus, but I totally agree with you Yahtzee, I'm one of the few people I know who still attends 2D cinema when 3D is available.
 

Uncleblaze

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its not as though the whole "video screen" on the controller is a new idea. they and other companies have thought of it before. it doesn't sound like a really great idea. But i remember playing the crystal chronicles you had to have the cables for the game boy and the game boy advances. 4 of them.... it was painful and hard and well.... it just wasn't fun. I bet you money those controllers are going to cost around 80-120$ and to buy 4 of em it will most likely cost as much as buying a second new nintendo console. This may be the final straw to break nintendo's anemic starving legs. shame on you nintendo for shame....
 

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Hexenwolf said:
Raeil said:
[Edit: This point is incorrect due to me not reading every word of the article. Thanks to mjc and rje for point out that Yahtzee addresses this.] Finally, this: "I'm trying to think of ways to employ a touch screen and a TV, and the problem I keep bumping against is that the player can only look at one screen at a time." You're right, they can only look at one screen at a time, that explains why the Nintendo DS has flopped completely... oh wait, it's the highest selling handheld of all time (if you use the numbers for all its iterations).
Just wanted to address this.

You can look at both screens when playing a DS. Not perfectly focus on both, but you can certainly be aware of what's going on on the other screen. This is because they're next to each other. Unlike a tv/controller combo in which the only way to put the screens next to each other is to hold up the controller in front of you, which is considerably more uncomfortable than normal. He specifically addresses this. Besides, he likes the DS.
Thank you for ignoring the edit, placed before the point itself, where I acknowledge this fact...
 

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Squilookle said:
And you know what? Blue Ray and HD-DVD were exactly the same thing- a technological gimmick that nobody even needed.
I don't specifically know about HD-DVDs, but I know HD(meaning a high resolution with a greater number of pixels) does at least make things look better, even if it does lag a bit more. I do agree about Blu-Ray though, I've watched things on my PS3 and I haven't noticed enough of a difference.

I agree overall though, gimmicks just don't fly.
 

Worr Monger

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DayDark said:
Next console control upgrade should be the Trackball Controller:


A thousand times.. THIS.

I'm already years ahead of the majority of PC gamers because I use a $100 Kensington Trackball Mouse... can't believe this hasn't been tried yet.
 

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Raeil said:
Hexenwolf said:
Raeil said:
[Edit: This point is incorrect due to me not reading every word of the article. Thanks to mjc and rje for point out that Yahtzee addresses this.] Finally, this: "I'm trying to think of ways to employ a touch screen and a TV, and the problem I keep bumping against is that the player can only look at one screen at a time." You're right, they can only look at one screen at a time, that explains why the Nintendo DS has flopped completely... oh wait, it's the highest selling handheld of all time (if you use the numbers for all its iterations).
Just wanted to address this.

You can look at both screens when playing a DS. Not perfectly focus on both, but you can certainly be aware of what's going on on the other screen. This is because they're next to each other. Unlike a tv/controller combo in which the only way to put the screens next to each other is to hold up the controller in front of you, which is considerably more uncomfortable than normal. He specifically addresses this. Besides, he likes the DS.
Thank you for ignoring the edit, placed before the point itself, where I acknowledge this fact...
The way forum posts are usually edited makes it appear that the entire paragraph was the edit.
 

Littlee300

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Srdjan Tanaskovic said:
Yahtzee I know you probably aren't doing it intentionally but I can't help but feel that no mater what Nintendo does these days you complain

Motion Control: Bad
3DS: Bad
New Games in there franchises: Bad
Upcoming Console: Bad

I mean really?

Squilookle said:
And you know what? Blue Ray and HD-DVD were exactly the same thing- a technological gimmick that nobody even needed.
there is a reason HD-DVD died and not Blu-Ray

Oroboros said:
I agree that the Wii and 3DS are just gimmicks that don't really advance the industry. I still have my old fat DS and I have seen no need to upgrade. I don't see why I should upgrade to this ridiculously expensive piece of hardware when I can't conceivably gain anything by switching over, except possibly eye strain.
A. new Machine
B. New and better games
C. Improvement functionality
D. Virtual Console with more games
E. There is no eye strain

Hell using your logic one could ask why buy a new gaming machine next generation
Also, much better graphics than the old DS
 

Kizi

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I couldn't agree with you more, Yahtzee. I hope this 3D madness will end soon. MADNESS!
 

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Nile McMorrow said:
"Like a "suggestive and vaguely insulting gesture" button."

This was funny but everyone knows that your pinkie is for poking the guy next to you in an attempt to make them lose concentration.

I agree with the comment about the touchpad controller, it makes it seem pointless unless you have to angle it in a way that lets you see the TV and the controller's screen at the same time which sounds like a pretty crap version of the DS. I hope its cordless though, no need to go so far back to the gamecube controller.
Man, a wireless controller with a texture simulating touch screen and motion controls would either be the heaviest controller in existence or have the shortest battery life it'd be rather pointless.
 

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Custard_Angel said:
Yahtzee is writing an opinion piece.

This is his opinion:

3D is a fad that needs to die because it can't possibly advance the medium in any meaningful way.

Take it or leave it.
take it or leave it? that's your answer? so much for free speech. anyway, you pretty much got it right. his article is his opinion on 3D, then adding free Nintendo bashing along the way.

My point it, he is 100% entitled to not liking 3D, but ranting the way he did serves nothing, if perhaps sensationalistic and fire spirits up, but in the end he will have provided nothing toward a solution or providing directions that can help understand why 3D is a fad, why it needs to die, or, on the other way, what are the challenges to truly make it relevant and successful. Yahtzee is a professional writer, successful business man, i think that entitles us to some form of quality in his statements. if i wanted random ranting on gaming, id be happy reading blogs from random joes that barely made it thru high school.
 

kagemao

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The one use that comes to mind with the touch pad on a controller is mimicing a mouse. An RTS game could become popular on a console this way.
 

beema

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But Yahtzee, MovieBob says [http://moviebob.blogspot.com/2011/05/moviebobs-disturbingly-not-as-insane.html?spref=tw] that the new Nintendo controllers might use haptic technology for virtual buttons to create virtual button feedback!

What about that Yahtzee? Huh? Huh? Wouldn't you prefer the controller's touch screen gently buzzing your fingertips to let you know you've pressed a virtual button? Wouldn't that be better than pressing an actual button? Huh? WOULDN'T IT!?!?!
 

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Latinidiot said:
But surely making a button for the pinkie will alienate our british friends!

Think of the tea drinkers!
He clearly meant a button that's pressed by extending the pinky. :)
 

Custard_Angel

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eniac0 said:
Custard_Angel said:
take it or leave it? that's your answer? so much for free speech. anyway, you pretty much got it right. his article is his opinion on 3D, then adding free Nintendo bashing along the way.

My point it, he is 100% entitled to not liking 3D, but ranting the way he did serves nothing, if perhaps sensationalistic and fire spirits up, but in the end he will have provided nothing toward a solution or providing directions that can help understand why 3D is a fad, why it needs to die, or, on the other way, what are the challenges to truly make it relevant and successful. Yahtzee is a professional writer, successful business man, i think that entitles us to some form of quality in his statements. if i wanted random ranting on gaming, id be happy reading blogs from random joes that barely made it thru high school.
Yahtzee is a random joe with a blog. He happens to be known by a lot of people but that doesn't mean he's expected to do anything more than what he's been doing all along. This sort of stuff is why he is one of the worlds most popular figures in gaming.

He got to where he is today by being a harsh critic, complaining about petty things and using colourful language when a mundane description would suffice.

Yahtzee isn't trying to win any journalistic awards. He isn't trying to win a Pulitzer prize. He isn't attempting to build a business empire around his work.

He's just a guy doing what he likes to do in the time he can do it. Some might call it opportunism, I call it living the dream.
 

murphy7801

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Wow that is fairly low aim with current generation technology pc's which what nintendo is basically building it from.
 

murphy7801

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Worr Monger said:
DayDark said:
Next console control upgrade should be the Trackball Controller:


A thousand times.. THIS.

I'm already years ahead of the majority of PC gamers because I use a $100 Kensington Trackball Mouse... can't believe this hasn't been tried yet.
There's a reason pc mice don't have balls any more just laser sensors. Its because all the muscles for the hand are in the forearm and wrists. Professional artist draw from the wrist to achieve superior accuracy on there movements which what you can do with high end laser mice. But the idea for console gamers is great.
 

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I have NEVER been fooled by 3D. To me, it's always been a stupid gimmick, may only for certain kinds of movies. I don't see how it's going to improve games.