Extra Punctuation: Roleplaying Homosexual in Dragon Age 2

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Shjade

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honeybakedham said:
HankMan said:
So it's really only two guys versus three girls that we can romance?
That hardly seems to warrant all the gay bashing this game has been getting.
When does anything ever warrant gay bashing? :)
If, in the course of cooking a Christmas dinner for your family - your children, your cousins, your grandparents in from Illinois, even your black sheep brother finally sober after years of struggling with addiction - at your restaurant, which you closed for the night to have the whole place to yourself to host for the occasion, you accidentally spill a bit of oil on one of the burners and it bursts into flame, rapidly spreads out of control and threatens to engulf the kitchen, if not the entire restaurant, and, upon reaching for the nearest fire response box, you discover that someone has written "GAY" across the PLEASE BREAK IN CASE OF EMERGENCY glass in hot pink lipstick, I believe some gay-bashing is warranted in order to deal with the flaming issue at hand.

But that's the only situation.
 

jawakiller

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SpiderJerusalem said:
jawakiller said:
Luthir Fontaine said:
Why are people so homophobi?

Its not your going to get the case of the "gays" by playing a game... haha

Always fun to poke fun at homophobis go and "hit" on them its funny as all hell how mad they get.
Because gays are scary dude... O.O

Haha. Thats prolly the truth. But seriously, I have gotten into fights with gays who think its cool to hit on me. Why? Because I have to prove I'm manly and not gay. I know I'm not into homosexual stuff but the ladies don't. And yes, its necessary.

I wish it wasn't like that but thats just how it is.
And... is it difficult living in Hickville and are your "manly man man" friends as insecure as well?

Seriously, there's no other explanation but horrid, massive insecurity for that kind of behavior.
Wow, that was really stupid sounding. No offensive, I'm sure you're a real nice guy but you didn't even read my comment. I said the only reason I fight gays (with the occasional exception, like when a gay's annoying as fuck) is because some women might get the idea that you're gay. So I'm not proving it to my friends, genius. Ladies are my reason. And here in hickville we would actually be over-joyed if all the homosexuals left. Then we'd go and ride our pick-up trucks and shoot some shotguns. Unfortunately I don't live in this legendary "hickville". And fighting is not always a sign of weakness. People like you are usually the ones I end up fighting.

Stop, look at the world around you and think before you type. You'll sound smarter.
 

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jawakiller said:
SpiderJerusalem said:
jawakiller said:
Luthir Fontaine said:
Why are people so homophobi?

Its not your going to get the case of the "gays" by playing a game... haha

Always fun to poke fun at homophobis go and "hit" on them its funny as all hell how mad they get.
Because gays are scary dude... O.O

Haha. Thats prolly the truth. But seriously, I have gotten into fights with gays who think its cool to hit on me. Why? Because I have to prove I'm manly and not gay. I know I'm not into homosexual stuff but the ladies don't. And yes, its necessary.

I wish it wasn't like that but thats just how it is.
And... is it difficult living in Hickville and are your "manly man man" friends as insecure as well?

Seriously, there's no other explanation but horrid, massive insecurity for that kind of behavior.
Wow, that was really stupid sounding. No offensive, I'm sure you're a real nice guy but you didn't even read my comment. I said the only reason I fight gays (with the occasional exception, like when a gay's annoying as fuck) is because some women might get the idea that you're gay. So I'm not proving it to my friends, genius. Ladies are my reason. And here in hickville we would actually be over-joyed if all the homosexuals left. Then we'd go and ride our pick-up trucks and shoot some shotguns. Unfortunately I don't live in this legendary "hickville". And fighting is not always a sign of weakness. People like you are usually the ones I end up fighting.

Stop, look at the world around you and think before you type. You'll sound smarter.
Or saying I'm not gay, I heard that works pretty well too.
 

Shjade

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jawakiller said:
Stop, look at the world around you and think before you type. You'll sound smarter.
You might do well to take your own advice and observe that you live in a world in which actively - violently, even - fighting against something can often be an indicator that you do in fact relate to the object of your visible dislike. For an example of this in action, observe politicians who make a huge show of how anti-homosexuality they are in their suggested legislation, their responses to media inquiry, etc., only to be later discovered in the company of a young male prostitute or in some similarly compromising position.

In other words, getting into fights as an attempt to prove you're not gay? It's not very dependable as tactics go.
 

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I haven't played DA:O or DA2 but for the record, I'd totally have my Manshep do Garrus in ME2 if the game permitted it. Garrus is easily the coolest and most interesting character.

My Manshep is loyal to Liara in ME2 solely for the fact that Miranda, Jack and Tali are all shit options and it makes no sense for me to go off with any of them.
 

jawakiller

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Timmehexas said:
Or saying I'm not gay, I heard that works pretty well too.
That too.
Shjade said:
jawakiller said:
Stop, look at the world around you and think before you type. You'll sound smarter.
You might do well to take your own advice and observe that you live in a world in which actively - violently, even - fighting against something can often be an indicator that you do in fact relate to the object of your visible dislike. For an example of this in action, observe politicians who make a huge show of how anti-homosexuality they are in their suggested legislation, their responses to media inquiry, etc., only to be later discovered in the company of a young male prostitute or in some similarly compromising position.

In other words, getting into fights as an attempt to prove you're not gay? It's not very dependable as tactics go.
And I really hate it when people pull that shit out. Liberals must secretly fantasize about Sarah Plain because they hate her. Israelis and Muslims also must actually love each other. Oh, and Nazis must have liked Jews which is why they killed them too... Yeah. That makes very little sense when put in other circumstances but as soon as its sexuality, it works. Why does everybody always assume the oddest things? I really don't get it.

I believe guys and girls go together great. Not guys with guys. Simple.
 

ZephrC

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I think it's hilarious that there are still people that seem to believe that Dragon Age 2 was a horrible game and no one likes it.

The reality is that while, yes, it was a disappointment, it was a disappointment for a Bioware game, which still leaves it in probably the top 10% of games overall.

Everyone who thinks otherwise is part of an extremely loud, extremely annoying minority. If you want to hate the game, that's fine. Don't go around getting all butthurt because some of us actually like it though. That just makes you look stupid and judgmental.
 

jawakiller

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SpiderJerusalem said:
jawakiller said:
Stop, look at the world around you and think before you type. You'll sound smarter.
Oh yeah, when you say it like that it's me that sure sounds stupid.

[/sarcasm]
That barely made sense and wasn't at all funny. You obviously haven't taken my advice seriously. Next time you make a joke, try to make it funny. You'll get it, don't worry.
 

Shjade

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jawakiller said:
And I really hate it when people pull that shit out. Liberals must secretly fantasize about Sarah Plain because they hate her. Israelis and Muslims also must actually love each other. Oh, and Nazis must have liked Jews which is why they killed them too... Yeah. That makes very little sense when put in other circumstances but as soon as its sexuality, it works.
Actually the difference isn't relating it to sexuality (the Nazis killed a lot of homosexuals, too, as I recall), it's more the sense of scale. Hundreds of people bashing one person? Doubtful that they all are doing it as a way to deny more positive feelings toward that person or what they represent. One person making a big deal out of denying X quality about themselves? That falls under the heading of, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." When you go out of your way to deny something - in this case by going so far as to start a fight over it when a simple "Not interested" accomplishes the same goal - it gives people reason to wonder why you're making such a big deal about it, as though it's hitting closer to home than it should.

It comes up frequently in discussing sexuality, particularly with regard to men and homosexuality, because of social constructs around the concept: expectations of what men are supposed to be and how they're supposed to act vs. what's actually going on, wanting to live up to those expectations, the differences between blahblahblahthisisnottheforumforasocialscienceslectureblahblahblah which is why, if you think about it, you're better off with the gel soles rather than hiking boots when corralling pythons anyway.


Edit: point of clarification, I'm not insinuating anything about your sexual preferences by pointing this out. I'm only observing that others who witness your actions might come to conclusions other than those you intend for them to derive from your behavior.
 

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This almost makes me regret romancing Merrill on my first playthrough. If I were to go for Anders at another time, I already know what's going to happen so it won't have nearly the same impact first time around.

Oh, and "So I herd you liek Mudkipz Tepigz."

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Shjade said:
...you discover that someone has written "GAY" across the PLEASE BREAK IN CASE OF EMERGENCY glass in hot pink lipstick, I believe some gay-bashing is warranted in order to deal with the flaming issue at hand.
The "flaming" issue, eh? Heh.
 

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Someone said they thought it was a sad sad commentary that so many people were discussing the romance in Bioware. I think it's awesome. Yay bioware, yay frank discussions about love and sexuality, yay for video gaming growing the fuck up a little already.
 

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I, male gamer, never followed a male-male relationship in DA/DA2 yet(female-female though, rawr) so far. I actually considered doing that just to experience this aspect of the game but I never found any of the romance options to appeal to me in any sense. Especially Anders. I disliked the character as a whole in DA2, no way I would romance him, as male or female Hawke.

The few gay come-ons (jeez that sounds wrong ;)) I experienced from male characters were just... weird. Not "uuuh, disgusting!" weird just "ooooh kay... thank you but no thank you, that's not the way I roll" weird.

Maybe if there was a compelling gay npc to romance, I might actually do it but so far that was not the case for me.
 

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monnes said:
To me Fenris seems very aggressive. He's really the least shy to bug me about not crushing a mages head in randomly. I'm currently romancing him and its been a bit of a pill because he's just so damn pushy!

jawakiller said:
Snip again
Good luck with that futile debate your having there. I guess at least on the bright side though is that gay men would improve your odds with the straight ladies around there in Non-Hicksville. So there is that.


OT: liked the article, I got that way with Alistair in DAO, obviously. I don't get the big deal about it. In Jade Empire I liked to seduce the princess because the character was strong and seemed a good match for my lady spirit monk. Then again I'm a chick and there's that BS double standard that two chicks is hot and two dudes are not.
 

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ImmortalDrifter said:
Only thing that confuses me is that Anders was straight in awakening, then they just decided to "make" him gay. The retcon is killing me.
Ddn't think you could romance in awakening
 

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ImmortalDrifter said:
Only thing that confuses me is that Anders was straight in awakening, then they just decided to "make" him gay. The retcon is killing me.
Depends on how you interpret it. He never explicitly says in Awakenings that he doesn't like men, and he's not gay, he's bisexual. So it's not so much a retcon, as just clarifying something that was never brought up before.
 

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I am just against relationships in games, in general. Mostly because the mechanics are almost always shallow and the canned interactions sort of break my suspension of disbelief. I'm the same way about karma mechanics. I much prefer something more free flowing and organic, like in the Fallout games or Red Dead - You're free to play a character that is not just 100% good or bad, but maybe something in between. You could even play a character who was bad, but everyone thought was good.

I would love to see such fluid mechanics in an RPGs relationship system, but I just don't see that happening any time in the near future. If it does evolve to that point though, I think players should have the freedom to choose whatever gender or race they'd like.
 

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What an interesting bit of text. Yahtzee proves with this text that even for its many flaws, DA II is still fun to play. And that's all you can ask for, isn't it.
 

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Shjade said:
teebeeohh said:
so if you are the kind of person who has a problem with homosexuality you probably also didn't picture your character to be a healer
Wait, what? How'd you jump to that conclusion? There's some link between keeping people alive and homosexuality that I've not heard of before?
ehm maybe, i don't know
the conclusion was more the other way around: people who have a problem with gay men would have their character do "a real mans job" and kill stuff and get smeared with blood and stuff. Those same people may consider healing and caring for others to be a job for people who they consider not to be "real men", namely females and gays.

i know this is a bit of a stretch and there are also a lot of people who just don't like to heal themselves but this is what years of playing online have taught me