Extra Punctuation: What Is the Matter with You People?

[Techno Destructo]

"Everyone knows children never die in fantasy stories"
*Points to Star Wars: Episode 3, where Anikin kills younglins*

Technically, it's sci-fi.

Oh, my mistake, I guess that justifies those murders then. Who cares about Sci/fi children getting killed anyways?

 

[samaugsch]

I admit, I got that Skyrim mod myself =/

I'm roleplaying a Good/kind Nord Warrior, who doesn't steal or murder innocent, and he will go out of his way most of the time to help others. But he's also a werewolf, and he will uncontrollably transform into the beast every now and then (I have actually dediced beforehand that it will be every 6th or 8th night xD )and when he transforms, he will go completely berserk and just hunt everything and everyone in sight. And when I realized that the children got out completely unscathed, it weakened the roleplay aspect for me.

In Fallout 3, I was annoyed by children in Little Lamplight. My character was a complete asshole, who didn't give a fuck about the children, they didn't let him pass, so he used force. But noticed that they were invulnerable.

It isn't really about the child killing for me, it just annoys me that when these games are about killing, why are these children an exception? I don't think your pedophile- example is a correct one here, since these games mechanisms don't revolve around sex, they revolve around killing things. And it just doesn't sit well with me that the children are invulnerable.
Yes, I am ready to kill pixel children for the sake of my roleplaying. And that is my choice.

That's exactly how I feel, though it wouldn't be a bad idea to make your karma take a bigger dive if you murdered children since people generally react more negatively to you murdering kids than adults.

 

[nbamaniac]

Oh, my mistake, I guess that justifies those murders then. Who cares about Sci/fi children getting killed anyways?

Don't mind.. I just nitpick every single little thing I see.

 

[Vault101]

haha I can imagine with that scene in Modern warfare...theres s "be disturbed" prompt..Nostalga critic stylw (you know, his reveiw of the cell)

 

[Right Hook]

So it's not so much that I want to kill kids. I want to be able to choose not to.

Exactly! Very good.

 

[McNinja]

I wouldn't want to kill kids if they didn't talk at me every time they moved within 2 feet of me.

Listen, kid, I really don't care what you have to say. I just roflstomped a dragon. Please GTFO.

Edit; actually, this applies to every single person in Skyrim. As much as I like talking to people, I really don't like it when they try to tell me... well, anything I don't specifically ask them for.

 

[DanDeFool]

You know, this makes me wonder if child-killing is disabled by default because of the media as well as to maintain the tone. After all, if Fox News came down on Mass Effect for a barely-visible twenty-second consensual sex scene, imagine what they'd do about an open-world game where you can go around butchering children? Talk about bad press.

Not that we should let those Fox News curmudgeons dictate game design philosophy, mind. I just think they have enough people on their side already without us giving them more ammunition.

 

[AngleWyrm]

I'de like a mod that makes kids age quickly.
You could zap em with an "old enough" spell, and then bash their nasty little heads in.

Because it's ok now that they're all grown up.

 

[hooksashands]

I wonder how far we could go with violence and psychotic behavior before someone finally said "Okay, we're banning your game in every country until it stops supporting the fetusblender.exe file."

 

[Shjade]

I don't remember if it was Morrowind or Oblivion, but one of them let you kill anyone. If they were quest related, you just failed the quest. If they were main quest related, you just got a message saying 'And then the world lost it's only hope. Do you wish to continue playing in the doomed world you've created or reload a save?'

I didn't play much of Oblivion, but you could do this in Morrowind.

Who could've guessed killing Vivec would have repercussions?

 

[Zersy]

If I kill a child in real life it's tragedy and murder.
If I kill a child in game it's humour and just LOL's.

 

[jessegeek]

Thank you, Yahtzee, for putting this argument in the most blatant terms.

Whilst I kill people in games, but never kids out of "moral choice" (I know it's not actually moral and they're just pixels but they're children in the world of the game). Whilst I do not want to enforce my choice on others (as I feel that would ally me with the "ban-this-filth" brigade of Daily Mail fame and is just narrow-minded) I draw the line at watching gamers protest their lack of child-killing options in a game where it is irrelevant to the story. And where that protestation goes on and on and on ad nauseum.

Seriously people, you are not defending your basic gamer rights, you are defending the right to make yourselves look like bizarrely obsessed with virtual child violence. There are other, worthier causes, even without being mawkish and mentioning irl charities and whatnot. SOPA, the lack of creativity in games, the big hitters' refusal to make challenging and/or radically different projects, how minority representation is handled in games; these are worthy gaming causes. The Skyrim child-killing debacle is not.

 

[jessegeek]

I draw the line at watching gamers protest their lack of child-killing options in a game where it is irrelevant to the story.

It's a sandbox game. There's a ton of stuff you can do that's irrelevant to the story. Kind of the point of a sandbox.

Granted, me using the word story there was incorrect: world or environment would have made more sense. My point is pretty much the article's argument about the fact that you are an adventurer, maybe you are playing a scurrilous one but you're still an adventurer as opposed to a sadistic psychopathic, Manhunt-esque character, where a child-killing mechanic would make complete sense.

Seriously people, you are not defending your basic gamer rights, you are defending the right to make yourselves look like bizarrely obsessed with virtual child violence. There are other, worthier causes, even without being mawkish and mentioning irl charities and whatnot. SOPA, the lack of creativity in games, the big hitters' refusal to make challenging and/or radically different projects, how minority representation is handled in games; these are worthy gaming causes. The Skyrim child-killing debacle is not.

This forum can focus on more than one cause. It's a forum so you can and do have several different topics going on simultaneously.

My point wasn't that forums should solely debate those issues, nor did it stem from a lack of understanding of the forum topic system; I was stating that, imo, pushing for the child-killing mod in Skyrim is a big waste of time as it is a non-issue. I was not saying that people shouldn't be allowed to debate it- far from it- I was merely comparing its worth to that of other debates within the gaming community, as it seems to me fairly insignificant in comparison.

 

[Reincarnatedwolfgod]

What about "Skyrim Sex Life"
which is just about killing women and artfully placing them because you cannot have as many wives as he wants?

http://kotaku.com/5863096/a-peek-inside-the-home-of-skyrims-first-serial-killer

This piece reminds me of that.

the video in the linked article

that's creepy as fuck
i question how long it took to do that. if it took a long time then said person would have to be some sort of sick bastard

quote from the article

"I hit up the person who posted the video on YouTube to ask if there was more to the video than, you know, super creepy dead lady posing. How did you come up with the idea, I asked.

"hey, I wanted to marry more than one woman but I couldn't :/," was the first response.

That didn't really explain much, so I asked why then decapitate, strip and post them.

"oh well, one thing lead to another. I ended up with a bunch of headless corpses in my house and I thought I might as well pose them. I suppose I was inspired by the Hannibal movies.""

 

[faefrost]

While I fully support Yahtzee's "No Child Murdering in game" stand. Can we possibly make a slight exception whereby we can deliver non lethal grievous bodily harm to the really really creepy kids? (if you have ever been to Windhelm you know who I am talking about).

I would ask to extend the exception also to the really annoying kids. But I think at that point the child beatings would quickly overtake the number of walking dead ancestors and family members hacked up and lit on fire.