Fake Geek Girls

Xanadu84

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I think that the next Geek world boogieman is the, "Guy complaining about fake nerd girls"

I'm not saying that there isn't a rather insidious perspective that seeps into the world of geekdom that alienates women and questions their, "Cred". This is a conversation worth having, and we need to be more welcoming. But in terms of numbers, and not just some very obvious outliars, I feel like this disgust with cultural gatekeeping is the only sentiment more popular in the gaming community then liking Valve. (Most) everyone agrees that we shouldn't have a set of standards that women need to rise to to become geeks. Now, if I can compare this to another issue in an extraordinarily melodramatic way, I feel that condemning cultural gatekeepers keeping women out of geeky hobbies is kind of like condemning the open racism of a tiny, insignificant group like the KKK, and ignoring the more subtle, insidious forms of racism hiding right under our noses without us even realizing it.

Honestly, I don't think its a coincidence that the last big hot button issue was sexism and booth babes. What I think happened is that all those people seen as emblamatic of keeping women out of the boys club really just got into this idea of how insulting it is to be pandered to with the lowest sexual common denominator. They decided to speak out against childish view of the demographic, and they simply failed to direct there anger at the right targets. How can you expect such a massive community to decry the specific act of pandering to men with the sexually explicit for the purpose of marketing, and NOT accidentally target women who are just innocent women bystanders? I think that among the people with the intelligence to write about these issues coherently, the real problem is not a sexist philosophy, but a decidedly NON sexist philosophy that has been executed poorly.

In short, How can you tell the difference between a scantily clad female whose pushing a product and trying to capitalize on a male gamer stereotype, and a female geek who is scantily clad because they genuinely like that scantily clad character? Well, were not really sure how to make that distinction just yet, and the boogiemen of the moment are those who are particularly bad at making that distinction.
 

Andrew_C

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Legion said:
Basically some tool made a post about fake geek girls a little while back, some other tools (almost certainly the same kind of people we block when we game due to all the childish, abusive crap) and it has been blown way out of proportion.

I am not sure what exactly caused it to be dragged back up again though.
Except this wasn't just "Some Tool" this time, this was a fairly prominent comic book artist Tony Harris [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Harris_(comics)] . There is a link to objectionable post on his blog under the comic. I won't dignify it with another link.
 

CrazyGirl17

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Souplex said:
CrazyGirl17 said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Sure but can you name all the characters the girls are cosplaying as?
Ooh! Ooh! I know! They're Mai Shiranui, Catwoman, and Tomoe Mami. What do I win?
Who's "Tomoe Mami"? I've never heard of her?
It's some Japanime thing, isn't it.
Pretty much, yeah. She's from an anime called "Puella Magi Madoka Magica". I recommend it to anime fans... just be warned, this is one anime that'd best gone into blind (As in, no spoilers.)
 

Frankster

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I call BS, i thought one of the probs with cons was the security was so lax you could make women touch your penis and security guard will just be like "mmhm what u want me to do about it?".

My immersion is broken.
 

dmase

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My limited exposure to spider man would have prevented from answering that question. However I get your point.
 

T_ConX

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I don't even read Spider-Man, and somehow I just knew it was Ben Reilly. Easy question, certainly not something worth losing your head over...

The problem with 'Fake Nerd Girls' isn't the fact that they're girls. The problem is that they're fake. It's not like there aren't 'Fake Nerd Boys' out there. They happen to be smaller in number, and much more subtle, but they exist, and I hate them too!

The problem is that at some point in the last few years, smart suddenly became cool. Once Facebook took our social lives and we started carrying supercomputers in our pockets, being seen as technologically literate was a good thing.

And with this, you had a sudden influx of, pardon my French, TREND-W****S. Lacking any scene of individuality, they have never let their lack of understanding or appreciation stop them from jumping from one cultural bandwagon to the next. They'll leave once it stops being cool (can't happen soon enough).

"Nerds are cool, and I want to be cool, so I have to do things that nerds do! What do nerds do? Uh... they watch Sci-Fi TV shows! I can do that! And they play video games! I'll do some of that too! Hey, I kind of enjoy these things! I am totally a NERD!"

OH! You played a video game? That sure took some effort. You watched an episode of Star Trek? That must have been HARD!

Here's how you tell if someone is a fake nerd:

Do they brag about doing something 'nerdy' that isn't really worth bragging about?

If they constantly feel the need to 'prove' that they're nerds, and the best proof they can offer up is 'I occasionally play video games' or 'I once watched a TV show that had a spaceship or time-machine in it', well, then they get an E for effort!

No really! If you go to Twitter (NOT RECOMMENDED) and look at the tweets under #suchanerd, you would be amazed at how many people think 'reading a book' or 'playing Call of Duty' earns them nerd cred.

Yeah, maybe it's wrong for us to demand that a girl provide us with her nerd credentials when we never ask the boys for the same thing. The sad truth is that we don't need to ask for their nerd credentials. Why would we have to, especially when they're always shoving them in our faces? Look at this picture of me holding a controller! SUCH A NERD! I'm wearing glasses! SUCH A NERD!

Back when sub-urban teens started immersing themselves in hip-hop culture, dressing like Gangstas and acting like they were street tough thugs, everyone got to make fun of them! They were ridiculed over how they simply doing it because it was trendy while having no real connection to, or understanding of, the culture.

Of course, we're suddenly labeled territorial assholes when we say how lacking we find their 'nerdy accomplishments' to be. Why? Why does Pretty Fly for a White Guy get to be the butt of jokes for his cultural fraud, but we're not allowed to make fun of Fake Nerds without someone turning the Sarkeesian-signal on?
 

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T_ConX said:
Of course, we're suddenly labeled territorial assholes when we say how lacking we find their 'nerdy accomplishments' to be. Why? Why does Pretty Fly for a White Guy get to be the butt of jokes for his cultural fraud, but we're not allowed to make fun of Fake Nerds without someone turning the Sarkeesian-signal on?
If someones being obnoxiously in your face about how nerdy they are (or want to be) then thats ok to mock them. They are choosing to be an annoying twat. The thing is some people are taking this to the point where "Any girl who cosplays a character i deem to be slutty is a fake nerd" or "Any girl who takes an interest in nerd culture lower than the desired threshold is a fake nerd girl" or "You must be THIS nerdy to enter" ect ect. It only becomes ok when they try and thrust it onto you. Feel free to quiz them then if they wanna initiate a "Nerdier than thou" attitude. It just seems horrible that some people wanna be the ones to charge up to people they assume only do these things for attention before they even SAY anything purely based on gender/looks and demand nerd cred. Thats a totally douchey thing to do.

Its also because "Nerdery" is such a BROAD term. Ive never read a comic book other than deathnote and Scott Pilgrim. Never seen startreck either. Im far more into the game side of things. Id fail a shit tonne of tests. Its not really fair to call someone out on an aspect of nerdery when they might be totally into another part of it. Two people who are part of the "nerd culture" might have TOTALLY different interests just because of how broad "Nerd culture" is. Id only call out someone being overly obnoxious about it. People minding their own business by cosplaying whatever they damn well please dont deserve to be quizzed or judged.
 

DementedSheep

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Its kinda annoying to see someone going "I play angry birds, I'm such a nerd lol" but a lot of things people do are annoying and I've seen guys do it too though its usually more "I played CoD this one time". Fortunately I think most people aren't stupid enough to actauly think every attractive girl is faking being into their hobby. I highly doubt its actauly all that common to have someone spending hours making a cosplay costume of a character they don't actually like purely for attention and to "seduce" the guys or whatever the hell they think these girls are doing.
Andrew_C said:
Legion said:
Basically some tool made a post about fake geek girls a little while back, some other tools (almost certainly the same kind of people we block when we game due to all the childish, abusive crap) and it has been blown way out of proportion.

I am not sure what exactly caused it to be dragged back up again though.
Except this wasn't just "Some Tool" this time, this was a fairly prominent comic book artist Tony Harris [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Harris_(comics)] . There is a link to objectionable post on his blog under the comic. I won't dignify it with another link.
yeah, I had this misfortune of seeing that earlier...what a prick.

Also Red is awesome. :p
 

BrainWalker

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Wait, what's wrong with Earthworm Jim creator Doug TenNapel? I'm not familiar with anything he's done outside of his creative work.
 

DrunkOnEstus

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People go to cons for the strange cosplay sex-larping at the hotel, don't they? Right? This fake nerd thing, if it even is a thing, only increases your chances of success. Bonus points if you don't sit up at the hotel, stare at the tele, and wonder if maybe you're a little too much into video games.
 

SecondPrize

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Did I hallucinate the brony comic and megathread that spawned from it bases on the same topic, months ago?
 

BehattedWanderer

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Nerds are nerds, and geeks are geeks. We all nerd out or geek out over different things. Anyone who would dare to trace and limit awesome of any kind of gender lines has no weight of opinion on the matter. Who are you to say what people like, and to what degree they're allowed to like it?

Besides, I'd quite like to see phase 2 play out. I imagine it involves pennies, electrodes, and inflatable cows.
 

General Twinkletoes

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Darth_Payn said:
Do one of you guys know the origins to this whole "fake geek girl" thing? It just sounds like a big non-issue to me. As geeks, should we not preach the gospels of the things we like to the nonbelievers?
Some people still want gaming and general geek stuff to be an elite circle that's hard to get into so they can feel superior. Instead of it being an interest, being a geek is a special club, and only the people who have suffered through being bullied and shunned are allowed in.

Just look in the jimquisiton comments... ugh. Plenty of people saying you're not a geek because you weren't bullied every day for it in the 90's.
 

Akisa

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What sucks, is that I would probably not get in. And seriously it's an anime convention why do they have to answer a comic book question. Do all nerds have to read comic book? Why can't I stick to my PC games and anime?
 

hazabaza1

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Bhaalspawn said:
The pointless discussions will stop when the screaming assholes learn to shut their mouths at everywhere ever
Fixed that for you.

I dunno, I can see how it could be annoying that someone tries to get into "your thing" without doing their research, but god damn does this stuff get out of hand quick.