Fallout 1+2: Free?

[midpipps]

Yes people commit crimes but the difference is when people commit crimes and I see it I will turn them in for it. If I see someone murder or rob or steal from someone else you better believe that I will turn them in to the authorities. If I saw someone come on the escapist talking about how they murdered someone or raped someone I would definitely point the authorities to it to try and get them behind bars. The problem is there is nothing like that for this topic. Sure call me nosy I don't care but I am not prying into the affairs of others just to pry I am prying because it is hurting an industry that I love and would love to see continue to grow. But pirating is killing that industry.
There are very few small companies that can come up with the cash to create a full fledged game for systems out now and when they do they loose possible revenue due to people pirating it instead of buying it. Which stifles the creative processes. Even the bigger companies are stifled due to it why should they create new IP's when they know rehashing the old ones will at least get them the fans purchase where as if they create a new one there are no fans to purchase and half of the people that might like it pirate it to test it but never go out and buy it even if they like it.
Yeah sure I will not convert all the people but maybe one out of every one million people will read my posts and think about what they are doing by pirating. Maybe they will change their minds I know it is not a probable thing to happen but I will still try.

First off: Piracy is not killing the games industry. Piracy doesn't make as much of an impact on sales as you think its does. Sins of a Solar Empire shipped with no DRM, and still had high sales.
Second off: The amount of people that buy will always be greater then the amount of people that pirate, for all of the above reasons that have been stated in this thread. For example, Braid was pirated by a friend and given to me. I loved Braid. It was an amazing game. But Jonathan Blow already has more then enough money. My fifteen or twenty dollars wont make a difference.
Third off: In a paraphrase of Benjamin Franklin (and Yahtzee): He who trades freedom of the users for copyright protection deserves neither. In other words, Piracy will always happen, and because we are a free society, we must take the good with the bad.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/91001-Demigod-Piracy-Running-High
(sarcasm)Yep piracy is not hurting the game industry and yep buying customers will always be higher then the pirating customers.(/sarcasm)
So not only are pirates stealing from the company they are also killing the servers for the paying customers which in turn causes bad reviews and in turn causes even less money spent on the game from potential customers.
Yeah sure maybe Jonathan Blow did make enough money off the game but how does that give you the right to steal from him. He put the hard work into making a game he should get reimbursed for it so that he has a reason to create more games and maybe that extra revenue that he would have gotten off all the people who might have bought the game if it was not free would have given him enough capitol to fund a new game.
What gives you the right to steal from someone? Especially when it is something that is not a requirement of your living it is an entertainment medium. You do not need to play the game you want to play the game.
Also this whole there will always be pirates BS is not a good argument by your logic there will always be killers and rapist, so you should go do that too?

 

[Sketchy]

Steam can not know illegal games that are not associated with steam.

Uhh, yes it can.

No, it really can't. This I know from experience.

 

[Quistnix]

Also it's not just my right it's every ones right, nobody is twisting your arm telling you not to, you just choose not to.

Wait. I might be reading this this wrong, but are you claiming you've got the right to steal stuff?

Torrent there's a difference. If I didn't have the 60 dollars to spend they weren't gonna get it anyway. So at least they got some positive reviews from me, and I did convince people to buy the game.

I don't have the money (or inclination, for that matter) to buy a Ferrari. Does that give me the right to steal one? I mean, when I'm driving my hypothetical Ferrari and looking cool, it might impress onlookers into buying one for themselves..

 

[Jandau]

I don't have the money (or inclination, for that matter) to buy a Ferrari. Does that give me the right to steal one? I mean, when I'm driving my hypothetical Ferrari and looking cool, it might impress onlookers into buying one for themselves..

Actually, your analogy is crap. It's more like not having the money to buy a Ferrari and going out and getting a knockoff of a Ferrari to drive around in. You didn't take anyone's Ferrari.

The problem with piracy is that it redefines "stealing". It's not stealing in traditional sense since the pirate hasn't actually taken anything from anyone. If I mug you on the street and take your shoes, then that means two things: 1. I have the shoes; 2. You no longer have the shoes. With piracy, I get the shoes and you still have yours. The biggest problem is that people (publishers, legislators, etc.) still try to treat it the same as old-fashioned stealing.

Having said that, piracy is wrong, but it's not a clear-cut case of stealing...

 

[SyphonX]

Go to GOG.com, you can get both for $6 each, no DRM.

Or you can get them illegally and get a glitchy, unfinished, and probably virus filled file.

I have demonoid.

I never have that problem with downloading =D

Demonoid is much better. It's more professional and the community is tighter overall.
I enjoy uploading older games that are literally impossible to find anywhere, or just viewing a popular game to see if it's actually playable before I'd recommend a buy to anyone or buy it myself.

So, see how that works? Download an awesome game, recommend it to many people who buy it. Otherwise, without a place like Demonoid I would never have played the game in the first place and the said people wouldn't have bought it either.

 

[SyphonX]

The problem with piracy is that it redefines "stealing". It's not stealing in traditional sense since the pirate hasn't actually taken anything from anyone. If I mug you on the street and take your shoes, then that means two things: 1. I have the shoes; 2. You no longer have the shoes. With piracy, I get the shoes and you still have yours. The biggest problem is that people (publishers, legislators, etc.) still try to treat it the same as old-fashioned stealing.

Having said that, piracy is wrong, but it's not a clear-cut case of stealing...

That's the thing with 'piracy' is that publishers and the MPAA declare every download a lost sale. This is obviously hypothetical, considering most people who download would never have bought in the first place, let alone recommend it to all the people they know who would buy it.

It's a double-edged sword.

Note: I'd also like to add that I absolutely despise the term Piracy used to describe people who download music and movies. Piracy is a term reserved for those who terrorize the sea, pillage defenseless shore villages, rape women and hijack boats.

Really, come on now. There's injecting outside feelings into something using certain terminology, but that's a little out there to be honest. It's always seemed odd to me. It shares a bench with the likes of "Terrorist", "Heathen".. etc.

 

[Novajam]

eBay [http://www.gog.com], and I've seen them at brick and mortar stores as well, from time to time.

 

[DragunovHUN]

I really doubt anyone who buys from the site is going to make hard-copy backups just in case the company goes bust.

Then i guess you don't know what it feels like to find some of your old favorites after searching for years.

 

[Orenthi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F92xvxyLOvI&feature=related
^ a little gift to you all from australia. a comedian playing at mark 'chopper' reid on movie piracy. classified M 15+ (ignoring us ratings )

BTW it isnt a crime here to a certain point. commercial quantity piracy is a crime, but anything smaller (ie downloading) isnt considered stealing under the criminal code, it is a civil wrong. hence why the *ahem* at AFACT or your equivalent copyright group is unable to have you CHARGED with piracy, they have to SUE you.

In saying, i dont support piracy, but i think the method the industries are currently going about curbing it is stupid

 

[SyphonX]

I use good ol' amazon.com whenever I desire a boxed copy to hold in my hands and to crack open a booklet just to take in that smell.

I have an Amazon Prime membership that costs about 70 bucks for the whole year and in that entire year you get Free 2-day shipping for nearly every item stocked in the warehouse. Considering shipping costs $5+ for every order, I consider it a great deal. (Think how much that adds up over a year, even if you get 1 package a month it easily goes over 70+)

Not only that, but Amazon does Release-Date delivery for just about every game and books etc, guaranteed if you pre-order. I got Resident Evil 5 at my doorstep on Friday the 13th, at about 9 in the morning. I was more than pleased.

Note: It's also the only site I know where people actually rate the products and write meaningful reviews..

 

[WeedWorm]

Go to GOG.com, you can get both for $6 each, no DRM.

Or you can get them illegally and get a glitchy, unfinished, and probably virus filled file.

Ehhhh, no? Ive never gotten a corrupted game.

 

[Nutcase]

Go to GOG.com, you can get both for $6 each, no DRM.

Or you can get them illegally and get a glitchy, unfinished, and probably virus filled file.

Um, that's totally unrealistic. Hell, most non-legit games run faster/better than the legit stuff. Not that it'll be an issue with games this old, but still...

Also, I would personally trust Steam more than GOG. Sure, GOG has a zero-DRM policy, but if I were to bet moeny on which company would still be operating in 10, 20, hell even 50 years from now, it would be Steam.

Yeah, trust steam, they are better.

Er, no. GOG beats Valve completely on that kind of reliability, since it doesn't even *matter* if they go out of business. You will have your fully functional game install package regardless.

 

[edinflames]

Hey everybody, I was just wondering, are the original Fallout games free to download?

If so, I also have Steam running, and for those who don't know, Steam has a program to find out if you have downloaded games illegaly. So would downloading Fallout mess with my Steam account?

Just be sure you download the official patches and also head over to www.nomutantsallowed.com to pick up some unofficial updates/fixes, like the children removed from the UK version, before you start to play. This is essential if you want to enjoy the full game.

 

[Nimbus]

[snip]

I've had a few pirated games in my time, and not one worked like a legit copy, no matter what I did. There were ALWAYS problems, and it's just not worth it.

Just buy your damn games.

Really? I've pirates more than a few games in my time and NOT ONE of them has had a problem. Hell, 90% of them have worked better than a legit copy.

[snip]

Steam can not know illegal games that are not associated with steam.

Uhh, yes it can.

Uhh, no it can't.

 

[Ago Iterum]

[snip]

I've had a few pirated games in my time, and not one worked like a legit copy, no matter what I did. There were ALWAYS problems, and it's just not worth it.

Just buy your damn games.

Really? I've pirates more than a few games in my time and NOT ONE of them has had a problem. Hell, 90% of them have worked better than a legit copy.

[snip]

Steam can not know illegal games that are not associated with steam.

Uhh, yes it can.

Uhh, no it can't.[/quote]

Explain to me how it works better than a legit copy...

 

[Nimbus]

Explain to me how it works better than a legit copy...

Faster loading times due to not having to load from a CD. (Data transfer speeds from a HDD>data transfer speeds from a DVD/CD drive.) No DRM, no disks, no steam.

 

[Ghost]

GOG is a good site, I'm really surprised people haven't heard of it before!

yeah i assumed it was only steam and d2d

 

[Ago Iterum]

Explain to me how it works better than a legit copy...

Faster loading times due to not having to load from a CD. (Data transfer speeds from a HDD>data transfer speeds from a DVD/CD drive.) No DRM, no disks, no steam.

If you have lower than a x8 speed DVD drive then it will be slower. *EDIT* and it also depends on your SATA port speed. All modern computers use SATA connection for their disk drives, which is the same thing your hard drive uses.

You seem to be a fan of illigally attained games, so there's no point in arguing with you, but ask most people and you will get stories of bad experience from pirating.

 

[Nimbus]

If you have lower than a x8 speed DVD drive then it will be slower. *EDIT* and it also depends on your SATA port speed. All modern computers use SATA connection for their disk drives, which is the same thing your hard drive uses.

You seem to be a fan of illigally attained games, so there's no point in arguing with you, but ask most people and you will get stories of bad experience from pirating.

No, no you will not. Besides, if you believe the statistics, most gamers are pirates.

 

[mrpenguinismyhomeboy]

Yes people commit crimes but the difference is when people commit crimes and I see it I will turn them in for it. If I see someone murder or rob or steal from someone else you better believe that I will turn them in to the authorities. If I saw someone come on the escapist talking about how they murdered someone or raped someone I would definitely point the authorities to it to try and get them behind bars. The problem is there is nothing like that for this topic. Sure call me nosy I don't care but I am not prying into the affairs of others just to pry I am prying because it is hurting an industry that I love and would love to see continue to grow. But pirating is killing that industry.
There are very few small companies that can come up with the cash to create a full fledged game for systems out now and when they do they loose possible revenue due to people pirating it instead of buying it. Which stifles the creative processes. Even the bigger companies are stifled due to it why should they create new IP's when they know rehashing the old ones will at least get them the fans purchase where as if they create a new one there are no fans to purchase and half of the people that might like it pirate it to test it but never go out and buy it even if they like it.
Yeah sure I will not convert all the people but maybe one out of every one million people will read my posts and think about what they are doing by pirating. Maybe they will change their minds I know it is not a probable thing to happen but I will still try.

First off: Piracy is not killing the games industry. Piracy doesn't make as much of an impact on sales as you think its does. Sins of a Solar Empire shipped with no DRM, and still had high sales.
Second off: The amount of people that buy will always be greater then the amount of people that pirate, for all of the above reasons that have been stated in this thread. For example, Braid was pirated by a friend and given to me. I loved Braid. It was an amazing game. But Jonathan Blow already has more then enough money. My fifteen or twenty dollars wont make a difference.
Third off: In a paraphrase of Benjamin Franklin (and Yahtzee): He who trades freedom of the users for copyright protection deserves neither. In other words, Piracy will always happen, and because we are a free society, we must take the good with the bad.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/91001-Demigod-Piracy-Running-High
(sarcasm)Yep piracy is not hurting the game industry and yep buying customers will always be higher then the pirating customers.(/sarcasm)
So not only are pirates stealing from the company they are also killing the servers for the paying customers which in turn causes bad reviews and in turn causes even less money spent on the game from potential customers.
Yeah sure maybe Jonathan Blow did make enough money off the game but how does that give you the right to steal from him. He put the hard work into making a game he should get reimbursed for it so that he has a reason to create more games and maybe that extra revenue that he would have gotten off all the people who might have bought the game if it was not free would have given him enough capitol to fund a new game.
What gives you the right to steal from someone? Especially when it is something that is not a requirement of your living it is an entertainment medium. You do not need to play the game you want to play the game.
Also this whole there will always be pirates BS is not a good argument by your logic there will always be killers and rapist, so you should go do that too?

First Off: What do you mean by killing the servers for paying customers and lowering review scores? Was that something in that article? Didn't read it. And besides, Demigod is only one game, And I doubt the entire games industry would be put into a recession due to the the sales of one game.
Second Off: Exactly, its not necessary for human survival. Therefore, why should we pay for it? If we don't need it to live, then it shouldn't be worth anything given that it doesn't really benefit us.
Third: No, you shouldn't go around killing people, because not only are you actually hurting someone, you'll go to jail for that. But there will always be killers and rapists. Some people just find a reason to do those things. I don't think its a good idea, but there will always be people who misuse freedom.
Fourth: In my opinion, it is okay to steal form people who are so rich they don't know what to do with all their money, because it obviously wont make any difference to them. Here: You are a poor person, with absolutely no money at all. You steal a penny from a rich man to buy a loaf of bread. It's your first meal in weeks. You do to jail for stealing the rich man's penny. Is that fair? All you wanted was a piece of bread, and without it you were going to die. Should you go to jail for taking one little penny out of thousands of dollars? A penny that this rich man obviously needs less then you do?

And also: There will always be more buyers then pirates. I don't get why you don't see that. After all, there will always be less people who rape and kill then people who don't right? I thought as much.

Faster loading times due to not having to load from a CD. (Data transfer speeds from a HDD>data transfer speeds from a DVD/CD drive.) No DRM, no disks, no steam.

I can second that.