Far Right Boogaloo Bois from Texas Are Who Set Fire to Police Precinct During George Floyd Protest in Minneapolis and Open Fired on Police

[Revnak]

lel
protect jews

Jewish man said accidentally attacked by left-wing protesters in Philadelphia

Man identified only as Zachary reportedly assaulted after being mistaken for a far-right 'Proud Boy' at dueling rallies

www.timesofisrael.com

What if the jews are for Trump

Protect jews. LMAO

Philadelphia BLM Protesters Call Jews ‘Synagogue of Satan’

A video circulating on social media shows a group of Black Lives Matter (BLM) protesters in Philadelphia telling Jews to leave, with one protester calling

jewishjournal.com

They say we are from the synagogue of satan.

What a load of rubbish.

On The Jewish Question by Karl Marx

"What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money."

Bruh. You really out here getting your jollies this way?

 

[Iron]

Bruh. You really out here getting your jollies this way?

I don't need antifa to protect me. I don't need to hear how they claim protection over me. fuck 'em.

 

[Silvanus]

Good arguments.
I'd like to show that in general any and all R&D ventures are in essence long-term investments. This can be seen with most of pharma. Their profits are diverted towards further R&D.

The pharmaceutical industry is in a bit of an exceptional position, because it ultimately derives a portion of its demand from government. Governments are obligated to long-term plan for public health, so they (rightly and necessarily) request surplus. The same can be said for very few other industries.

But still, the pharmaceutical industry shows a different pitfall in capitalism: price gouging. The product is an essential, a life-or-death purchase; but when left to private enterprise, the price rockets far beyond the cost of manufacture. The companies may be taking risks with R&D, but they're also finding ways to make the public pay for the costs of that risk.

IMO those are examples of mismanagement, and not the very nature of capitalism, but this is obviously my opinion, and facts don't care about my feelings.

They are examples of mismanagement, I'd agree. The system doesn't force managers to make these poor decisions, but it incentivises them to, and punishes them (with lost shareholder interest) when they plan for the long-term. I'd say mismanagement is a symptom of the system.

What if the jews are for Trump

Generally speaking, that's not the case, though.

 

[Revnak]

I don't need antifa to protect me. I don't need to hear how they claim protection over me. fuck 'em.

Same dudes that call me Jew will call you Bolshevik. No way outta the hole they’re burying us in but together.
Also the Antifa orgs that put a big emphasis on fascist anti-semitism are just normal Jewish socialist orgs.

 

[Iron]

Same dudes that call me Jew will call you Bolshevik. No way outta the hole they’re burying us in but together.
Also the Antifa orgs that put a big emphasis on fascist anti-semitism are just normal Jewish socialist orgs.

We remind ourselves, that after the Reds won, and after Stalin took power, and after we had done our best to help them in the great patrioric war, he put many of our revolutionaries against the wall. My great-uncles and great-grandfathers fought in the Red Army. They took pride in it, despite what he had done, because they fought against the fascists and won. Many of my great-uncles then didn't come home. I still have their letters, I read all of them when I was a teenager. I should re-read them, now that I think about it. I'd have a different perspective now that I'm older.

Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Doctors' plot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Prisoner of Zion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Revnak]

We remind ourselves, that after the Reds won, and after Stalin took power, and after we had done our best to help them in the great patrioric war, he put many of our revolutionaries against the wall. My great-uncles and great-grandfathers fought in the Red Army. They took pride in it, despite what he had done, because they fought against the fascists and won. Many of my great-uncles then didn't come home. I still have their letters, I read all of them when I was a teenager. I should re-read them, now that I think about it. I'd have a different perspective now that I'm older.

Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Doctors' plot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Prisoner of Zion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well yeah, fuck Stalin.

 

[lil devils x]

I don't need antifa to protect me. I don't need to hear how they claim protection over me. fuck 'em.

I don't expect that Antifa is really going to much to the Nazi's here tbh. They certainly do not have the political power to do much of anything at all to anyone really. They just exist because they really just want to stomp Nazis. I mean that isn't that uncommon a sentiment, but still, they do not have any actual " power" to do anything at all really. They are more of a symptom of the larger problem of people feeling powerless to be able to stop them or feeling like they are just sitting there doing nothing while knowing this is getting so much worse.

You are also IDF in Israel. It is also not just about the Jewish people, it is about all minorities in the US. You are a soldier in a 80%+ Jewish nation, you can defend yourself, for now. Not everyone here can do the same.

Anti-Semitic Crime In The U.S. Reaches Record Levels

An arson at a Needham synagogue and vandalism at a Fall River cemetery contributed to a record high number of anti-semitic incidents in the U.S last year.

www.wbur.org

Antisemitic Incidents Hit All-Time High in 2019

www.adl.org

People are being harmed here, people are afraid here. We are seeing these things happening in our communities. Then, when all of our intelligence agencies telling us the same thing, that the biggest problem we have right now is these far right groups growing and gaining political power and have infiltrated US military, police and all levels of government, we would have to be idiots to ignore it. It is no longer just " oh look at the idiots who killed the cow and carved a swastika in it and left it on their driveway" anymore, it is people being elected to offices, being put into positions of authority to where they can kill people and impact their lives, where they can have control over others and inflict actual harm that this is a growing concern here. Not doing anything at all about it though leads to so much worse, so we have to have solutions here somehow.

(EDIT: The whole weird cow thing actually happened to a Jewish family living down the street from my parents farm growing up, just in case you didn't understand the reference) This town here has a long history of racism and protecting actual Nazis and providing them a place to flee after WW2. One my parents immediate next door neighbor was literally SS, with photos of him in his SS uniform on his fireplace mantel. He is dead now, but the local Neo Nazis treated him like a celebrity, and his son shares his beliefs, so this didn't die with him.

 

[lil devils x]

lel
protect jews

Jewish man said accidentally attacked by left-wing protesters in Philadelphia

Man identified only as Zachary reportedly assaulted after being mistaken for a far-right 'Proud Boy' at dueling rallies

www.timesofisrael.com

What if the jews are for Trump

Protect jews. LMAO

Philadelphia BLM Protesters Call Jews ‘Synagogue of Satan’

A video circulating on social media shows a group of Black Lives Matter (BLM) protesters in Philadelphia telling Jews to leave, with one protester calling

jewishjournal.com

They say we are from the synagogue of satan.

What a load of rubbish.

On The Jewish Question by Karl Marx

"What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money."

What does any of that have to do with Antifa? BLM =\= Antifa. You just linked a bunch of stuff that has Zero to do with US Antifa.

Trump's attacks on Antifa are attacks on Jews | Opinion | Opinion

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www.haaretz.com

Trump takes side in Portland far-right rally, but local Jews say it’s wrong one

President only focuses on left-wing counter-protesters known collectively as Antifa, or anti-fascists, but does not condemn Proud Boys

www.timesofisrael.com

Here’s what you need to know about the anti-fascist group Antifa

Amid George Floyd protests, Trump called Antifa a terror organization.

www.jpost.com

 

[tstorm823]

Some of them are socialists, some of them are anarchists. They do not have one universal agreed belief. That was the point. That was not why this group exists. They exist for the purpose of telling the Nazi's if you want to hurt "Jews and other minorities you have to go through me first" They are from all sorts of religious and non religious backgrounds ethnicities and beliefs. Everyone from school teachers to librarians. You keep trying to pigeonhole them into being this niche group that believes this one thing when reality shows us otherwise. They are a loose group with lots of differing beliefs when you listen to what the many different individuals tell us. I am saying that yes, there are some that fit your description and then there are many others who don't is the issue. That is not universal among Antifa at all. They have a large variety of beliefs when you actually listen to them, because their "united" involvement has to do with stopping Nazi's and racist more than anything else that anyone else under the same banner may or may not believe. You are trying to tie them to a set of beliefs that only represents a small portion of those who involve themselves with this. Most of Antifa in the US could care less what others believes under their banner, they just are usually there to stop the racist from harming people or those among Anitfa that want to actively stomp the racists, Nazis and fascists. Those are the more aggressive Antifa rather than just the ones running around with medical supplies and locking arms to create a wall of protection between other protesters and the Nazi's, Police ect. The ANtifa who are protesting peacefully are not always the same Antifa members who are shooting off fireworks or throwing bricks. But since they are really just a loose group without leadership, you expect things to be chaotic like that when looking at them. The thing I actually found most surprising about Antifa when listening to the interviews is how diverse they actually were in their beliefs and backgrounds.

Imagine if a group of people declared themselves Bolsheviks, and you told me not to pigeonhole them in with the communists. That's basically what you're doing here. The name is not coincidence, the flag is not coincidence, the hard-line communist rhetoric is not coincidence. They've deliberately taken up the mantle of the idiots who put Hitler in power, because they wanted the destruction of the republic that badly. I'm sure there are people who consider themselves Antifa who don't subscribe to those beliefs, and they're utterly ignorant tools being used by extremists for cover.

If a bunch of Republicans tried to unite under the mantle of nazism while expressly disagreeing with the tenets of nazism, you wouldn't suddenly defend nazis for having diverse beliefs and backgrounds. Because that's dumb. Saying you're Antifa but not a communist is about as reasonable as saying you're a Nazi but not the white supremacist kind. It's little defense for the person, and no defense for the group, that someone of different mind claimed that awful mantle.

 

[Iron]

Imagine if a group of people declared themselves Bolsheviks, and you told me not to pigeonhole them in with the communists. That's basically what you're doing here. The name is not coincidence, the flag is not coincidence, the hard-line communist rhetoric is not coincidence. They've deliberately taken up the mantle of the idiots who put Hitler in power, because they wanted the destruction of the republic that badly. I'm sure there are people who consider themselves Antifa who don't subscribe to those beliefs, and they're utterly ignorant tools being used by extremists for cover.

If a bunch of Republicans tried to unite under the mantle of nazism while expressly disagreeing with the tenets of nazism, you wouldn't suddenly defend nazis for having diverse beliefs and backgrounds. Because that's dumb. Saying you're Antifa but not a communist is about as reasonable as saying you're a Nazi but not the white supremacist kind. It's little defense for the person, and no defense for the group, that someone of different mind claimed that awful mantle.

funniest shit I ever seen

Association of German National Jews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't expect that Antifa is really going to much to the Nazi's here tbh. They certainly do not have the political power to do much of anything at all to anyone really. They just exist because they really just want to stomp Nazis. I mean that isn't that uncommon a sentiment, but still, they do not have any actual " power" to do anything at all really. They are more of a symptom of the larger problem of people feeling powerless to be able to stop them or feeling like they are just sitting there doing nothing while knowing this is getting so much worse.

You are also IDF in Israel. It is also not just about the Jewish people, it is about all minorities in the US. You are a soldier in a 80%+ Jewish nation, you can defend yourself, for now. Not everyone here can do the same.

Anti-Semitic Crime In The U.S. Reaches Record Levels

An arson at a Needham synagogue and vandalism at a Fall River cemetery contributed to a record high number of anti-semitic incidents in the U.S last year.

www.wbur.org

Antisemitic Incidents Hit All-Time High in 2019

www.adl.org

People are being harmed here, people are afraid here. We are seeing these things happening in our communities. Then, when all of our intelligence agencies telling us the same thing, that the biggest problem we have right now is these far right groups growing and gaining political power and have infiltrated US military, police and all levels of government, we would have to be idiots to ignore it. It is no longer just " oh look at the idiots who killed the cow and carved a swastika in it and left it on their driveway" anymore, it is people being elected to offices, being put into positions of authority to where they can kill people and impact their lives, where they can have control over others and inflict actual harm that this is a growing concern here. Not doing anything at all about it though leads to so much worse, so we have to have solutions here somehow.

(EDIT: The whole weird cow thing actually happened to a Jewish family living down the street from my parents farm growing up, just in case you didn't understand the reference) This town here has a long history of racism and protecting actual Nazis and providing them a place to flee after WW2. One my parents immediate next door neighbor was literally SS, with photos of him in his SS uniform on his fireplace mantel. He is dead now, but the local Neo Nazis treated him like a celebrity, and his son shares his beliefs, so this didn't die with him.

I honestly think that jewish orgs that contribute and publically help refugees divert attention towards the jewish community in the US. The boy that did the California shooting at the Beit Chabad did it because he believed jews were responsible for the replacement theory and white genocide. I can open a treasture trove of infographics about this, but I apologize bcs I'm getting tired of this atm. IMO jews ought to be disassociated from the democratic and republican party and be non-partisan. They already contribute to political campaigns of both sides with the help of AIPAC. They shouldn't have gone and started other organizations to try and look "progressive" like J-street and the like. Wh

 

[Revnak]

I hate replying to Tstorm but his bad history matters too much here.
First thing, modern Antifa claims iconography and descent not just from the armed wing of the KDP (Anti-Faschiste Aktion) but also the armed wing of the SDP (the Iron Front, where the three arrows symbol comes from). This is pretty universal, and modern black bloc tactics can be traced back to both groups.
As for why these were different groups during the interwar, there’s obvious context that’s missed by just calling the KDP Bolshevik radicals and moving on. The initial split was over the SDP’s support of WWI, a pointless war that cost millions of lives. After the war the KDP’s leaders staged a revolution (which arguably the SDP did as well in the formation of the Weimar Republic) and the SDP brought in the Freikorps, a proto-fascist militant group that would go on to merge with and be mimicked by the brown shirts, to put them down, massacring most of their members and leadership, including Rosa Luxembourg. It is only at this point that the KDP becomes a “Bolshevik” party, as prior to that their leadership was absurdly critical of Lenin. One can only imagine how adamant their rejection of Stalin would’ve been had they not all been killed. Eventually Soviet leadership would direct KDP to refuse any compromise with the SDP, with Stalin inventing the very fun term Social Fascist to describe them, his only positive contribution to Marxist ideology.
Edit- I can never remember if Party or Democratic are the last word in those acronyms.

 

[lil devils x]

Imagine if a group of people declared themselves Bolsheviks, and you told me not to pigeonhole them in with the communists. That's basically what you're doing here. The name is not coincidence, the flag is not coincidence, the hard-line communist rhetoric is not coincidence. They've deliberately taken up the mantle of the idiots who put Hitler in power, because they wanted the destruction of the republic that badly. I'm sure there are people who consider themselves Antifa who don't subscribe to those beliefs, and they're utterly ignorant tools being used by extremists for cover.

If a bunch of Republicans tried to unite under the mantle of nazism while expressly disagreeing with the tenets of nazism, you wouldn't suddenly defend nazis for having diverse beliefs and backgrounds. Because that's dumb. Saying you're Antifa but not a communist is about as reasonable as saying you're a Nazi but not the white supremacist kind. It's little defense for the person, and no defense for the group, that someone of different mind claimed that awful mantle.

That isn't what I am doing at all. I provided you with what US Antifa is and you keep saying it is the same as Europe's Antifa and it isn't. You are trying to define them FOR them vs listening to what they tell us themselves.

What I am saying is the equivalent of saying there are moderate, conservative and far right republicans. Some republicans are racist, that does not mean all republicans are racist. So are you saying is that the moderate republicans are also "ignorant tools" being used by the racists for cover? I don't believe that, and I also don't believe that Antifa is all communists. Oh and BTW, communism, where I came from wasn't a bad thing remember? But that was actual communism, where everyone actually receives an equal share and everyone is taken care of and everyone works together to accomplish goals rather than fake communism where the few take everything and everyone else is made to suffer. If the leadership, elite or and few are receiving more than everyone else, that is the opposite of the communism in my traditional culture.

 

[tstorm823]

I hate replying to Tstorm but his bad history matters too much here.
First thing, modern Antifa claims iconography and descent not just from the armed wing of the KDP (Anti-Faschiste Aktion) but also the armed wing of the SDP (the Iron Front, where the three arrows symbol comes from). This is pretty universal, and modern black bloc tactics can be traced back to both groups.
As for why these were different groups during the interwar, there’s obvious context that’s missed by just calling the KDP Bolshevik radicals and moving on. The initial split was over the SDP’s support of WWI, a pointless war that cost millions of lives. After the war the KDP’s leaders staged a revolution (which arguably the SDP did as well in the formation of the Weimar Republic) and the SDP brought in the Freikorps, a proto-fascist militant group that would go on to merge with and be mimicked by the brown shirts, to put them down, massacring most of their members and leadership, including Rosa Luxembourg. It is only at this point that the KDP becomes a “Bolshevik” party, as prior to that their leadership was absurdly critical of Lenin. One can only imagine how adamant their rejection of Stalin would’ve been had they not all been killed. Eventually Soviet leadership would direct KDP to refuse any compromise with the SDP, with Stalin inventing the very fun term Social Fascist to describe them, his only positive contribution to Marxist ideology.
Edit- I can never remember if Party or Democratic are the last word in those acronyms.

I'm not sure what wrong point you think you're making. Antifa in Germany only existed after the KDP was Bolshevik radicals. They and the Iron Front were explicitly enemies. Maybe you want to trace the tactics back to both groups, but when you have two groups that hate each other and you take the exact name of one of them, you picked a side.

 

[Revnak]

I'm not sure what wrong point you think you're making. Antifa in Germany only existed after the KDP was Bolshevik radicals. They and the Iron Front were explicitly enemies. Maybe you want to trace the tactics back to both groups, but when you have two groups that hate each other and you take the exact name of one of them, you picked a side.

You ever had sex with a goat, Tstorm? Just wanna know for research purposes.

 

[tstorm823]

That isn't what I am doing at all. I provided you with what US Antifa is and you keep saying it is the same as Europe's Antifa and it isn't. You are trying to define them FOR them vs listening to what they tell us themselves.

What I am saying is the equivalent of saying there are moderate, conservative and far right republicans. Some republicans are racist, that does not mean all republicans are racist. So are you saying is that the moderate republicans are also "ignorant tools" being used by the racists for cover? I don't believe that, and I also don't believe that Antifa is all communists. Oh and BTW, communism, where I came from wasn't a bad thing remember? But that was actual communism, where everyone actually receives an equal share and everyone is taken care of and everyone works together to accomplish goals rather than fake communism where the few take everything and everyone else is made to suffer. If the leadership, elite or and few are receiving more than everyone else, that is the opposite of the communism in my traditional culture.

I'm not sure you understand what communism is. Your traditional culture isn't communism by virtue of being both traditional and cultured. You can call it effective socialism if you'd like, but there's more to communism than sharing resources, it demands an end to societal and cultural structures just as much as economic ones.

 

[Iron]

You ever had sex with a goat, Tstorm? Just wanna know for research purposes.

not cool
neither are the folk that liked your comment

 

[tstorm823]

You ever had sex with a goat, Tstorm? Just wanna know for research purposes.

Zedruu isn't real, I'm afraid.

 

[Revnak]

not cool
neither are the folk that liked your comment

He decided to skip over the clear descent in iconography, which is at least as important as sharing a name, and given that Antifa is approximately just tactics (not ideologically neutral tactics, but realistically just tactics), yeah, his argument deserves such an empty rebuttal.

Also acting like Antifa of the period weren’t just rebranded Sparticists, the pre-existing armed wing of the KDP, is idiotic. Tstorm doesn’t deserve respect.

 

[Revnak]

Zedruu isn't real, I'm afraid.

Fair enough. I’ll file that under the no column on goat fucking for you.

 

[Houseman]

Tstorm doesn’t deserve respect.

According to the rules, we must show respect for each other.

HAVE RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one is entitled to abuse others for any reason. If you can't communicate without using combative, hateful, derogatory, aggressive, passive aggressive responses, or ad hominem attacks, then consider that these may not be the forums for you. Focus your response on your disagreement with a person's opinion, not on the person.

Disagreement is inevitable. However, this is not a license to misbehave. If you don't like a thread, the people in it, or anyone involved, don't post in it.

Your comment was not cool, and if the moderation team stands by and ignores it, I will be very disappointed in them.