Rosetta said:
A) Poker is a game of skill. If you think it isn't, do explain how certain people are better than others on a consistent basis.
B) They are all innocent until proven otherwise. So to all you people jumping the goat and nailing them, remember that right (and it is a right) if you are ever charged with something like rape.
C) It's pretty laughable that the U.S government, the same people who have sent hundreds of thousands of their sons and daughter in murder squads to die overseas and slaughter people they've never met for oil they don't get, is condemming people for having harmless fun. Nice one!
Simalacrum said:
Considering how I feel about the whole gambling business and how it takes money off people.
'It' doesn't take money off people. People volunteer their money. It doesn't matter how desperate, poor, stupid or otherwise they are. If you volunteer your money to someone in the hopes of winning more back and then lose said money, tough luck, bud.
Sheesh. Do we have to have the 'guns don't kill people' talk too? This stuff is common sense.
Lets refute your evidence, shall we?
A. The same thing can be said about a lot of things. I could make the arguement about blackjack players, people who know how to count cards (or atleast have a rough understanding) vs. your average slum. Even if you do count cards, theres a certain factor of RNG that you can never eliminate.
Using a more contemperary example, Yu-Gi-Oh cards. You could have the best deck in the world, you could know how to play your cards correctly and what to do for every situation you may come accross. Yet, its not a game of skill. Because no matter how good you are, you can be beaten by someone who is luckier and got a better hand. Any card game is reliant on luck. There might be some skill involved: you do have to actually know about poker to play poker. But its luck based. The world champion could lose to a rookie if the cards were right.
B. Innocent until proven guilty is a valid point, but thats only in the eyes of the law. And you forgot to mention that we are also given the rights to say, think, and do whatever we like, aslong as its within the parameters of the law (saying someone is guilty without a conviction is not illegal for a civillian to do: or else most of the media would be behind bars during the OJ Simpson trial in the 90's) Were not talking about a rape, murder, etc. case. Were talking about knowingly flouting the law to be tax exempt. Corperate fraud as well, which, if they're making the arrests, must have some grain of truth to it (being arrested for corperate fraud is really, really, REALLY,
REALLY hard to do without solid evidence.
You are innocent until proven guilty, but only in the eyes of the law. With the information that was given, and my knowledge of the subject, Im going to go out on a limb and say they're guilty.
C. You sir, have a lot of cahones. I personally know a lot of vets that would LOVE to meet you and discuss what its really like in the military. You've painted a picture of citizens going into a peaceful country, lighting it up with bullets and mortar shells, to steal oil.
When in truth, we were deployed to a seperate country, were under threat from another source, shifted attention to a person who claimed to have WMD's. Heres where the story gets shabby. The evidence for the WMD's was destroyed. Some minor evidence still exists, but not enough to convince the average American. I was against Bush politically, but if someone said they were going to destroy you with nuclear/chemical attacks, would you risk it?
While there have been civillian deaths, the same can be said for any war in the history of ever. When we got there, we overthrough the government from a crazy and corrupt nutbag who threatened to kill us, and his own people, because we had a different thought process than them.
And despite what you're saying, no oil crews have been deployed by the US government to drill for oil in Iraq. It has never, in the entire course of the war, even been mentioned.
You generalized the military to make them out as scumbags, for trying to do what they were told to do? They're job is to protect America and its interests. If they is a risk of war or terrorism, it's the soldiers duty to do their job: despite what their political affiliations may be. Was Bush wrong about going into Iraq? Maybe he was: there is evidence of enrichment facilities, despite the initial evidence that fueled the war has since been dismanteled and destroyed. Thats not the point. They did they're job, they made mistakes. People died. A lot less innocent people have died than ones that tried to kill the soldiers first.
As for your point, I dont even feel like I need to make a responce. Your stance on the military shows how ignorant you are. The law is the law. Marijuana is a lot of fun: its still illegal. Telling a police officer how fun it was, and how hypocritical it is for him to arrest me for it when people are out there committing rapes and murders still doesnt excuse the fact that I broke the law, and will go to jail for it.
