Cheating on someone is wrong, no matter the reason in my opinion. If he did that, I can understand that she's pissed. I would say that she has the right to be pissed.
But seriously lady, what's wrong with you? You beat up your boyfriend on a public train and then you attack the officers arresting you? I get that you're mad, but have some damn sense. Of course the cops were gonna show up, don't attack them, that will only make things worse for you.
Well yeah. People are brutal to each other regardless of sex, race, age, etc. It's not acceptable for anyone to do it so I dunno why you singled out women as being ore brutal. The fact of the matter is simply that they are no more, no less brutal than men, men just tend to be a lot less likely to report it out of fear that no one will believe them or that they will be seen as weak for being beaten up by their girlfriend.
Maybe it's important to point it out when women are violent because there seems to be this public attitude that only men are violent. In the US we have the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), not the Act Against Domestic Violence and not a separate act to protect men. See the bias? See why it's important to counter what feminism has taught in the last 50 years?
In fact, I would bet that this attitude that only men are violent is why this women felt secure in beating this man. She knew he probably wouldn't fight back and if he did, he would be in violation of VAWA. Had she thought there was equality and that he would have knocked her on her ass, maybe she wouldn't have hit him.
The dude isnt showing self control out of some form of Chivalry, the dude is showing self control because of Guilt.
He cheated on her, and the only way she found to deal with her frustration and anger was to beat the crap out of him. Was it smart? No. Was it rational? No. Was it even Justified? nope.
But seriously what course of action did she have left?
there is no legislation available to protect people in this position.
I'm going to find you, rob you, then give you your stuff back and go "HAH!!".
'Cause I can get spiteful.
boag said:
The dude isnt showing self control out of some form of Chivalry, the dude is showing self control because of Guilt.
He cheated on her, and the only way she found to deal with her frustration and anger was to beat the crap out of him. Was it smart? No. Was it rational? No. Was it even Justified? nope.
But seriously what course of action did she have left?
there is no legislation available to protect people in this position.
The dude isnt showing self control out of some form of Chivalry, the dude is showing self control because of Guilt.
He cheated on her, and the only way she found to deal with her frustration and anger was to beat the crap out of him. Was it smart? No. Was it rational? No. Was it even Justified? nope.
But seriously what course of action did she have left?
there is no legislation available to protect people in this position.
I don't even understand how equal rights came into the equation. She hit the guy and was put down forcefully by the police, what else would people have liked to happen? If the people (both men and women) on the train were in any way decent they would have stopped her, but they didn't, that's on them.
She will be put through legal punishments, the same as a man would have been if he had been in that position.
Its not so much this one video, but rather a greater social phenomena that causes this debate. The place equal rights comes in is exactly that she WON'T get the same legal punishments that a man would. By and large the western world gives women shorter punishments, in nicer facilities and more frequent conditional sentences. In fact Britain is currently looking at eliminating womens prisons all together.
We also have a tendency to justify female violence. IE "well he cheated." even when there is no evidence to support it.
Its also an equal rights issue directly because of the stark contrast of how this would have been handled had it been a woman assaulted by a man. Namely No one would have been laughing. We are simply better human beings when women are being harmed.
Its especially a rights issue when governments impose laws that demand that, in the event of domestic violence, the man be arrested. Essentially criminalizing BEING ASSAULTED. Many European countries and US states have laws specifically like that and these laws have been lobbied for by feminists.
Its also an equality issue that despite suffering 40-45% of all domestic violence injuries and are victims of approximately 70% of all nonreciprocal partner violence men in the states have a whopping 0% access to state funded domestic violence programs.
This is just another stark reminder of a very serious issue and people have a right to be angry.
Whoa. I had a lot to say. my two tangent points will be spoilered for the tl;dr crowd. If said format is against the rules, please pm me to change it and I will comply.
Addressing the actual reason for this thread, I'm going to put out a scenario.
You video me shoot someone in the head, killing him. You hear me yell "DO YOU THINK YOU CAN JUST DO THAT TO SOMEONE AND GET AWAY WITH IT?!"
He could have raped my daughter. He could have slept with my wife. he could have fired me. He could have hit my car. He could have cut in front of me in the line. He could just look like a guy I wanted to shoot.
There. You have your reasons. You sympathize with some. I'm a murderer with others.
But the point of fact... I'm a murderer with all. No matter what he did: we arrest, try, and convict with the evidence at hand. If something criminal comes up later, we arrest him too. But barring that, her reasons and justifications are moot because she broke the law that we are all governed under.
We want a just society, so we have these laws and set of rules to PREVENT us literally getting away with murder just because our feelings got hurt. Whatever dick move he did to her (and I'm assuming it's a big one), if he did not present any cause for her to defend herself and indeed if she fought him off to the point where he wasn't being aggressive any more... what she did was grossly illegal.
Hell, look up those judge shows. See how Judge Judy acts when the defense is 'Well, he pissed me off'. That person almost always automatically loses the case because a.) she just admitted it, and b.) she has no legal justification for her acts. Emotions do not enter into it, or wife beaters can say "Well she made me angry!!". Yeah, have fun telling that to your new cellmate, using that as a justification as why you shouldn't be there.
The thread as become really what Manicdepressive13 (no offense to you, I don't know you from Adam) stated. Those who agree, those who seemingly point out his view.
Being impartial with these forums, I'll admit that at first it did look bad. Then I remembered the thousands of posts I read in my years here. And I've come to conclude that it wasn't sexist... this is just how the Escapist talks. To both Genders. to Religious people. To Politicians. to Game Developers. Insulting terms based on something, anger on how the situation went down because how it was perceived to be unjust, and how they would react in the situation.
Really. I challenge anyone to go find a hot button issue thread and see if the formula doesn't ring true for all of them, or at least 95% of them.
The perceived misogyny is really just par for the course with the forums. Subject made me angry, curse words, this is what I would have done. If you substitute black guy for angry woman, yeah, the choice of wordage would have been different because the N-word is a racist term and you can get banned for that, but I'm sure they would have been creative, said something about wanting equal rights (in this situation, assume the ginger was being beaten and the black guy said 'You can't call us that!!!'), and how they would have defended themselves even though they aren't racist.
Lastly, to the 'why didn't anyone help' question, I've actually been in a situation just like that. Point of fact, it was in a party and I arrived on the scene to see my boy on the floor, my other friend restraining a girl while her girlfriends were yelling at him to let her go and that my friend on the floor deserved it. Time passes, cops come, and question the girlfriends, and the few bystanders who weren't related to the situation. The more common story (told by the girlfriends because they supported one another and the cops didn't separate them to get individual stories) was the guy did something to the girl, she defended himself, and our friend came to help him out when my other friend lost.
They went to jail. Made me gun shy, I'll admit it. And logically, no one there seems to know the couple, but I don't want to come to aid and have people say 'I don't really know what happened', and then get trotted off the police office to sort the whole mess out.
But what REALLY made me gun shy is I had a fight with my girl in Montreal once. I was so angry, I wanted to call back home to stay there for a couple of weeks. I live in New York, and my area code is 914. I was so angry, I misdialed 911. I hung up, called my home, and that was that. So I thought.
Twenty minutes later, we're just calming down and we got a knock on the door. It was the police. We try to say it was a mistake, but tears on her face and weariness in my eyes showed that there was something happening. so, he warned us about misdialing, and he said if it happened again, someone here would have to go to jail. Then he looked at me and said it would most likely be me because in these situations, common belief is that males are the aggressor and I would have to go while they sort it all out.
The dude isnt showing self control out of some form of Chivalry, the dude is showing self control because of Guilt.
He cheated on her, and the only way she found to deal with her frustration and anger was to beat the crap out of him. Was it smart? No. Was it rational? No. Was it even Justified? nope.
But seriously what course of action did she have left?
there is no legislation available to protect people in this position.
BS, he was showing restraint because he knew people were watching and if he retaliated he'd probably have been the one in cuffs.
You ask what legislation is available for people in her position? Why should there be, cheating in a relationship isn't a legal matter, nor should it be. All she can do is scream at him and break up. Like a normal person. There's no excuse for violence and the dumb ***** deserves jail time.
The dude isnt showing self control out of some form of Chivalry, the dude is showing self control because of Guilt.
He cheated on her, and the only way she found to deal with her frustration and anger was to beat the crap out of him. Was it smart? No. Was it rational? No. Was it even Justified? nope.
But seriously what course of action did she have left?
there is no legislation available to protect people in this position.
BS, he was showing restraint because he knew people were watching and if he retaliated he'd probably have been the one in cuffs.
You ask what legislation is available for people in her position? Why should there be, cheating in a relationship isn't a legal matter, nor should it be. All she can do is scream at him and break up. Like a normal person. There's no excuse for violence and the dumb ***** deserves jail time.
That dude has massive self-control,every one here should applaud that.
Personally,I would have warned her about stopping,and the consequences if she didn't,then punch her in the throat and lock her down.
Can't stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen,and sweet cheeks,my kitchen runs hot.
So,according to you,police officers that warn criminals to drop their weapons,or they will be forced to fire are "terrorictical threatening"?
If I warn someone punching me that I will defend myself,I'm threatening them?
That's the fucking point.I'm threatening to defend myself.
This is a semantic issue.
I'm guessing you're thinking of an offensive threat,such as a bomb threat.Which I agree,is illegal.
But telling someone:"stop it,or else I'll punch you back" isn't.
predicting evidence does not disprove it. I agree with most of what you say, but getting an INB4 on an argument does not make it irrelevant. so WHY is the 'amazingathiest' a 'fucking idiot'?
He makes badly reasoned arguments which he presents by yelling at the camera like a douchebag. He projects the attitudes of a small minority onto an entire group. He acts as though men are somehow being repressed by women, all the while ignoring the fact that these attitudes are being perpetuated by men. For example, regaring the rape case, for every comment in which women were supposedly claiming it was "empowering", I encountered at least ten facetious comments by men saying that they'd like for that to happen to them. Violence against men by women just isn't being taken seriously by other men.
He also makes the common, idiotic error of suggesting that feminism is about female dominion, when in reality it is about equality. Feminists are not ignoring the issue of women committing violence against men. Feminists are saying that this is disgusting and it has to stop. They're saying that we need to abondon the perception of the weak, innocent girl and accept that regardless of gender everyone is human, and humans are capable of committing atrocities. But for some reason people are wedded to the idea that feminists want revenge on men or something. He's also fat and generally unlikeable.
The dude isnt showing self control out of some form of Chivalry, the dude is showing self control because of Guilt.
He cheated on her, and the only way she found to deal with her frustration and anger was to beat the crap out of him. Was it smart? No. Was it rational? No. Was it even Justified? nope.
But seriously what course of action did she have left?
there is no legislation available to protect people in this position.
#1. Don't hypothesize as to why person X is doing action Y. That's ridiculous. You don't know.
#2. Even if you did know, and even if he did cheat on her, since when does cheating = beating?
Cheating is a rotten thing to do. You are justified in being upset. Maybe even justified in some screaming, and Hard Words. Certainly justified in ending the relationship. You are not, however, justified in hailing blows down on the cheater's head. No matter how tiny and feminine your fists are. Hitting is Not Okay.
And really, you don't need to be "protected" from having a significant other cheat on you. Cheating is not illegal. Physical abuse is.
predicting evidence does not disprove it. I agree with most of what you say, but getting an INB4 on an argument does not make it irrelevant. so WHY is the 'amazingathiest' a 'fucking idiot'?
He makes badly reasoned arguments which he presents by yelling at the camera like a douchebag. He projects the attitudes of a small minority onto an entire group. He acts as though men are somehow being repressed by women, all the while ignoring the fact that these attitudes are being perpetuated by men. For example, regaring the rape case, for every comment in which women were supposedly claiming it was "empowering", I encountered at least ten facetious comments by men saying that they'd like for that to happen to them. Violence against men by women just isn't being taken seriously by other men.
He also makes the common, idiotic error of suggesting that feminism is about female dominion, when in reality it is about equality. Feminists are not ignoring the issue of women committing violence against men. Feminists are saying that this is disgusting and it has to stop. They're saying that we need to abondon the perception of the weak, innocent girl and accept that regardless of gender everyone is human, and humans are capable of committing atrocities. But for some reason people are wedded to the idea that feminists want revenge on men or something. He's also fat and generally unlikeable.
Wow, talk about overreacting. For a guy who allegedly cheated on his girlfriend, I respect him for staying quiet and not retaliating. Cheating, while immoral, isn't illegal, so this guy will be fine. Nothing in his behavior on the train suggests he is a violent person, so I'm willing to guess that he probably wasn't the abusive one in the couple anyways.
Jesus Christ lady, you've got some issues to work out.
That guy showed way more restraint than I would have been able to, I think I could have held out through the slaps to the back of the head but as soon as she started punching and kicking i'd have probably knocked her on her ass.
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but the chance of getting robbed is pretty slim and the robber being a girl is close to 0
