Female Game Characters Photoshopped to Average American Proportions

[Redryhno]

In games, generally, anything makes sense. A sentient blob of hamburger makes sense.

We only seem to have this debate around women though.

To be fair, the debate only starts because that's the only thing the one that starts the debate wants to talk about as well...

 

[sumanoskae]

This is a fine idea in theory, but I feel some context is being ignored.

A: Most these designs are pretty old; many modern game developers had nothing to do with them.

B: America has a huge obesity problem. Not saying that overweight women shouldn't represented in games, just that our modern concept of "Average" is skewed; what's normal now wouldn't necessarily be normal in a setting based around, say, Medieval Europe.

C: It really doesn't make any more sense for characters like Lara Croft to be plus sized than it does for them to have fantasy hourglass figures. The majority of video game characters are involved in intense physical activity on a regular basis.

 

[Lightknight]

4'11" isn't an outlier? Ok, whatever you say.

First off, Being short has nothing to do with being thin and buff.

When did I say otherwise?

Why are you bringing it up at all in a discussion on whether or not someone's physique is realistic if you don't think it had anything to do with her height?

Secondly, 4' 11" is within the normal range of human height even though it's very close to (but taller than) dwarfism.

It is close to the borderline of being an LP, and therefore literally an outlier for the Normal Distribution.

Horseshoes and hand grenades? Not only is she 5' tall as I demonstrate below, but 4'11" is within the normal height distribution which specifically means it isn't an outlier. Under that and you become an outlier. Outliers are the special medical conditions and being close doesn't mean you have it. Normal basically means not an outlier just as outliers mean not normal.

Like when Wesley was only mostly dead. Savy?

Thirdly, she's 5' tall, not 4' 11". Fact check: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kacy_Catanzaro . She's three inches shorter than the world average for adult females. Three inches may make a big differences in some cases *ahem* but not here.

You're wrong, and you shouldn't trust Wikipedia. Try Google, which is generally better and only is changed at the request of the person in question.

Height: 4' 11" (1.50 m)

Says who? Here are numerous articles listing her at 5 feet tall:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/what-many-young-men-need-know-about-draft-n224746

"Catanzaro is a 5-foot, 100-pound gymnast who has been training for the competition for about two years."

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/kacy-catanzaro-owns-american-ninja-warrior-is-first-female-finalist-2014167

"Kacy Catanzaro might just be the best athlete you've never heard of. The 5-foot-tall, 100-pound gymnast"

http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/health/news/a29315/kacy-catanzaro-interview/?click=feed

"http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/health/news/a29315/kacy-catanzaro-interview/?click=feed"

Fact check yourself, Google's the odd man out and is the only one that hasn't sourced it's claim.

Hell, here's a video of them saying that she's five feet tall on the show for her second appearance on the show (10 second mark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=17&v=XfZFuw7a13E#t=00m08s

<youtube=XfZFuw7a13E>

Three strikes and you're out.

I made four points:
Lastly, do you really think I'm going to have any trouble posting images of various completely toned female athletes that are known as completely healthy?

Maria Sharapova 6' 2"

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBuc2Z6ibtB8UmjNkXDGBiNKkpt7db7KXoc8sQBlYhkBOLJXdS

So unhealthy...[/sarcasm] I mean, if you just want me to find pictures of healthy female athletes then you just have to ask. But walk into any gym in America and you'll find women that shape.

They aren't unrealistic body types. They are fully attainable through reasonable means and primarily discipline. My wife doesn't use the stair machine for an hour every night just to have assholes assume she's bulimic or unrealistic."

So what point are you trying to make here? What does anything you've said about her have to do with the fact that body types like the above are real and attainable without bulimia or any eating condition?

 

[Lightknight]

This is a fine idea in theory, but I feel some context is being ignored.

A: Most these designs are pretty old; many modern game developers had nothing to do with them.

B: America has a huge obesity problem. Not saying that overweight women shouldn't represented in games, just that our modern concept of "Average" is skewed; what's normal now wouldn't necessarily be normal in a setting based around, say, Medieval Europe.

C: It really doesn't make any more sense for characters like Lara Croft to be plus sized than it does for them to have fantasy hourglass figures. The majority of video game characters are involved in intense physical activity on a regular basis.

Let's also not forget that average weights are skewed towards heavier numbers than what the true norm would be. A thin person can be somewhere like 93-150 depending on height but fat people can be over 600lbs. So fat person would have a far higher skew on the data than a single thin person. You can have 3 93lb people and one 400lb person and the average weight climbs to 170 lbs.

 

[Redryhno]

In games, generally, anything makes sense. A sentient blob of hamburger makes sense.

We only seem to have this debate around women though.

To be fair, the debate only starts because that's the only thing the one that starts the debate wants to talk about as well...

The point is that since we have total creative freedom, and there are actually people asking for just SOME variety, lets see some variety. The logic of hurr durr cuts both ways after all.

Sorry I don't follow you.

Who normally starts these "debates"? Do these debates bring up characters other than the ones the person starting it wants most of the time? Or even acknowledge that there's a bigger problem at work than what their VERY specific rhetoric allows?

I think that should make it easier.

Also about the variety thing, as I said on like page 3, AAA is probably not the best place to go with if you go with the "indies=innovation, AAA=unimaginative" idea of the game industry. They aren't going to listen because as many people have brought up, the "ugly/fat/etc. people" mods barely have a hundredth of the downloads of the "pretty/beautiful/etc. people" mods do.

There's not a large enough market to make those designs for the most part, and logistically speaking, it's just simpler most of the time to have a standard body type. Go ask for indies to do it, or submit examples and designs of what you want to see. Which is one of the few positives I see with this set of shops, even if I disagree that it gives a variety of body types.

 

[Danny Dowling]

Honestly, you don't look healthy. I'd be worried about your bones shattering if I bumped into you.

Haha nah I used to fight Olympic Taekwondo. Full contact and all that dude. I'm fairly tough.

 

[Danny Dowling]

snip

Just wanted to tell you that you're rocking some nicely shaped shoulders there (not gay).
Although I do have to admit that it seems like you're suffering from the same problem I do. You probably should think about putting more work into your back to get more of a V-shape.

Yeah man I agree! I thought my back was good, but in this pic it's looking weak lol.

Point is I'm an average healthy person... this is what average looks like lol.

 

[Danny Dowling]

It what twisted fantasy is Lara Croft going to be able to pull up to hand stand if she's tubby? I can't even pull up to handstand ffs. She does gymnastics, her proportions are correct.

I agree that a fatter Lara wouldn't be able to do a handstand, but the old Lara wouldn't be able to do a handstand either. She was not desinged to look like a gymnast. She has far too many curves and not enough muscle (especially on her twig-like arms; her biceps are nonexistent) to be a gymnast. Her original design is just as much fantasy as the photoshop is. Various female Olympic athletes [http://www.blogilates.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Screen-Shot-2013-11-20-at-6.16.20-PM.png] - Lara doesn't look like either of them, but most certainly not like those tiny gymnasts.

Lara is designed to be visually appealing and not to be realistic considering the things she does. I understand why that is and it didn't detract me from loving Lara, but let's be honest here. New Lara looks much more realistic though.

There are many body types. You showed your own and it's fine. You know your body best and I'm sure you take care to lead a healthy lifestyle. As long as someone is healthy, there is nothing wrong with their body type. The problem arises when we automatically assume that a certain body type is unhealthy. I'm sure many of the Olympic athletes from the picture I put would be considered fat and unhealthy. I sincerely doubt they are, as they all have very specific training routines in order to be able to compete in the sport of their choosing. It's just that every sport (and any other physical activity) requires a certain build and body type.

I agree. The Lara as of I'd say Tomb Raider Legends where they lessened her boobed and added to her ass was more appropriate (need them glutes to be on point). Some gymnasts are absolutely stacked, some are petite.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

In games, generally, anything makes sense. A sentient blob of hamburger makes sense.

We only seem to have this debate around women though.

To be fair, the debate only starts because that's the only thing the one that starts the debate wants to talk about as well...

The point is that since we have total creative freedom, and there are actually people asking for just SOME variety, lets see some variety. The logic of hurr durr cuts both ways after all.

Sorry I don't follow you.

Who normally starts these "debates"? Do these debates bring up characters other than the ones the person starting it wants most of the time? Or even acknowledge that there's a bigger problem at work than what their VERY specific rhetoric allows?

I think that should make it easier.

Also about the variety thing, as I said on like page 3, AAA is probably not the best place to go with if you go with the "indies=innovation, AAA=unimaginative" idea of the game industry. They aren't going to listen because as many people have brought up, the "ugly/fat/etc. people" mods barely have a hundredth of the downloads of the "pretty/beautiful/etc. people" mods do.

There's not a large enough market to make those designs for the most part, and logistically speaking, it's just simpler most of the time to have a standard body type. Go ask for indies to do it, or submit examples and designs of what you want to see. Which is one of the few positives I see with this set of shops, even if I disagree that it gives a variety of body types.

Actually it is AAA MMORPGS that are the ones breaking ground on different body types allowing players to have more customization and control over their characters with sliders. They are starting to do this already allowing players to choose how their characters look. More customization is the future, and it only makes sense to add more options for players to use in that regard. Many MMORPGs have opened the doors to allowing more customization and options for women in their games and since women have been spending more on virtual goods than men ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2011/08/07/females-spending-more-real-cash-on-virtual-goods-in-video-games-than-males/ ) this is a great move on their part considering sales of virtual goods are the best way for games to increase their revenues and boost their games longevity to get the most for their money spent. Allowing player customization is the best way to allow players to " have their cake and eat it too". Games failing to do so long term will not be able to compete with those that do.

This is much more of a challenge for indie games than aaa games, as many aaa games have already realized this is the next step and have already been doing this, while indie games often do not have the resources to be able to do so.

 

[Paragon Fury]

(I will say they probably represent the average American feminist, though),

...Really? We're stooping to mudslinging levels that are THAT low?

What?s this ?we?? I?m me; I?m not a part of a ?we.?

As far as mudslinging? I personally don?t see it as mudslinging. If you consider that comment mudslinging, then you should admit they drew first blood. I was just defending American women by saying that that the average American woman is NOT as fat as these female character adaptations are. The photoshoppers are insulting American women by insinuating that these fat figures represent the average American women.

What should be understood however, is there is a HUGE difference between " being overweight" and having a different body type. Simply because someone is an endomoprh or an apple shape does not mean they are fat. The pictures are not actually of overweight women, they are just different body types. Not everyone can be an ectomorph, or an hourglass figure regardless of how much weight they lose. You can be underweight and still not have a flat belly due to your natural body shape. The idea that some think someone is fat simply because people have different body types does not mean they actually are, it is only showing ignorance of the human form. I personally would like to see more body types included in gaming. nhaving a variety of different heights, races, body types and personalities would be great.

More of this:

No. I'm willing to put actual, real US dollars down this. If the altered Helena, Riku or Cortana went into a reputable doctor, the doctor would give them a nice long chat about how they're very, very overweight.

Almost all of these characters were perfectly fine beforehand, or only need to be slightly bigger to present a "reasonable" image.

LMAO.. WHAT?!! I certainly hope you do not actually believe that. No, they do not appear to be overweight by the pictures provided here, just different body types. This may be helpful to you:

Except Helena and Riku are easily 200lbs, if not more.

 

[Redryhno]

In games, generally, anything makes sense. A sentient blob of hamburger makes sense.

We only seem to have this debate around women though.

To be fair, the debate only starts because that's the only thing the one that starts the debate wants to talk about as well...

The point is that since we have total creative freedom, and there are actually people asking for just SOME variety, lets see some variety. The logic of hurr durr cuts both ways after all.

Sorry I don't follow you.

Who normally starts these "debates"? Do these debates bring up characters other than the ones the person starting it wants most of the time? Or even acknowledge that there's a bigger problem at work than what their VERY specific rhetoric allows?

I think that should make it easier.

Also about the variety thing, as I said on like page 3, AAA is probably not the best place to go with if you go with the "indies=innovation, AAA=unimaginative" idea of the game industry. They aren't going to listen because as many people have brought up, the "ugly/fat/etc. people" mods barely have a hundredth of the downloads of the "pretty/beautiful/etc. people" mods do.

There's not a large enough market to make those designs for the most part, and logistically speaking, it's just simpler most of the time to have a standard body type. Go ask for indies to do it, or submit examples and designs of what you want to see. Which is one of the few positives I see with this set of shops, even if I disagree that it gives a variety of body types.

Actually it is AAA MMORPGS that are the ones breaking ground on different body types allowing players to have more customization and control over their characters with sliders. They are starting to do this already allowing players to choose how their characters look. More customization is the future, and it only makes sense to add more options for players to use in that regard. Many MMORPGs have opened the doors to allowing more customization and options for women in their games and considering Women have been spending more on virtual goods than men ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2011/08/07/females-spending-more-real-cash-on-virtual-goods-in-video-games-than-males/ ) this is a great move on their part considering sales of virtual goods are the best way for games to increase their revenues and boost their games longevity to get the most for their money spent. Allowing player customization is the best way to allow players to " have their cake and eat it too". Games failing to do so long term will not be able to compete with those that do.

This is much more of a challenge for indie games than aaa games, as many aaa games have already realized this is the next step and have already been doing this.

MMO's have had sliders since EQ1 and Camelot...they're not really breaking ground so much as mowing the same lawn they've been mowing for twenty years...and c'mon, you know as well as I do that outside of a handful of ones like Archeage and Black Desert, there's really not much difference between "skinny" and "fat". And those are barely played...

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

(I will say they probably represent the average American feminist, though),

...Really? We're stooping to mudslinging levels that are THAT low?

What?s this ?we?? I?m me; I?m not a part of a ?we.?

As far as mudslinging? I personally don?t see it as mudslinging. If you consider that comment mudslinging, then you should admit they drew first blood. I was just defending American women by saying that that the average American woman is NOT as fat as these female character adaptations are. The photoshoppers are insulting American women by insinuating that these fat figures represent the average American women.

What should be understood however, is there is a HUGE difference between " being overweight" and having a different body type. Simply because someone is an endomoprh or an apple shape does not mean they are fat. The pictures are not actually of overweight women, they are just different body types. Not everyone can be an ectomorph, or an hourglass figure regardless of how much weight they lose. You can be underweight and still not have a flat belly due to your natural body shape. The idea that some think someone is fat simply because people have different body types does not mean they actually are, it is only showing ignorance of the human form. I personally would like to see more body types included in gaming. nhaving a variety of different heights, races, body types and personalities would be great.

More of this:

No. I'm willing to put actual, real US dollars down this. If the altered Helena, Riku or Cortana went into a reputable doctor, the doctor would give them a nice long chat about how they're very, very overweight.

Almost all of these characters were perfectly fine beforehand, or only need to be slightly bigger to present a "reasonable" image.

LMAO.. WHAT?!! I certainly hope you do not actually believe that. No, they do not appear to be overweight by the pictures provided here, just different body types. This may be helpful to you:

Except Helena and Riku are easily 200lbs, if not more.

LOL no, they would not be, not unless they were giants.. ROFL.
This woman may help you visualize as a reference:

 

[Paragon Fury]

(I will say they probably represent the average American feminist, though),

...Really? We're stooping to mudslinging levels that are THAT low?

What?s this ?we?? I?m me; I?m not a part of a ?we.?

As far as mudslinging? I personally don?t see it as mudslinging. If you consider that comment mudslinging, then you should admit they drew first blood. I was just defending American women by saying that that the average American woman is NOT as fat as these female character adaptations are. The photoshoppers are insulting American women by insinuating that these fat figures represent the average American women.

What should be understood however, is there is a HUGE difference between " being overweight" and having a different body type. Simply because someone is an endomoprh or an apple shape does not mean they are fat. The pictures are not actually of overweight women, they are just different body types. Not everyone can be an ectomorph, or an hourglass figure regardless of how much weight they lose. You can be underweight and still not have a flat belly due to your natural body shape. The idea that some think someone is fat simply because people have different body types does not mean they actually are, it is only showing ignorance of the human form. I personally would like to see more body types included in gaming. nhaving a variety of different heights, races, body types and personalities would be great.

More of this:

No. I'm willing to put actual, real US dollars down this. If the altered Helena, Riku or Cortana went into a reputable doctor, the doctor would give them a nice long chat about how they're very, very overweight.

Almost all of these characters were perfectly fine beforehand, or only need to be slightly bigger to present a "reasonable" image.

LMAO.. WHAT?!! I certainly hope you do not actually believe that. No, they do not appear to be overweight by the pictures provided here, just different body types. This may be helpful to you:

Except Helena and Riku are easily 200lbs, if not more.

LOL no, they would not be, not unless they were giants.. ROFL.
This may help you visualize as a reference:

I don't need a reference.

Two women, one who is basically my height (6ft) and another who would barely come up to my chest, both of who suddenly ballon'ing up to be 2x-3x my size around are going to weigh AT LEAST what I weigh (205lbs) or more. It's sheer size at that point.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

In games, generally, anything makes sense. A sentient blob of hamburger makes sense.

We only seem to have this debate around women though.

To be fair, the debate only starts because that's the only thing the one that starts the debate wants to talk about as well...

The point is that since we have total creative freedom, and there are actually people asking for just SOME variety, lets see some variety. The logic of hurr durr cuts both ways after all.

Sorry I don't follow you.

Who normally starts these "debates"? Do these debates bring up characters other than the ones the person starting it wants most of the time? Or even acknowledge that there's a bigger problem at work than what their VERY specific rhetoric allows?

I think that should make it easier.

Also about the variety thing, as I said on like page 3, AAA is probably not the best place to go with if you go with the "indies=innovation, AAA=unimaginative" idea of the game industry. They aren't going to listen because as many people have brought up, the "ugly/fat/etc. people" mods barely have a hundredth of the downloads of the "pretty/beautiful/etc. people" mods do.

There's not a large enough market to make those designs for the most part, and logistically speaking, it's just simpler most of the time to have a standard body type. Go ask for indies to do it, or submit examples and designs of what you want to see. Which is one of the few positives I see with this set of shops, even if I disagree that it gives a variety of body types.

Actually it is AAA MMORPGS that are the ones breaking ground on different body types allowing players to have more customization and control over their characters with sliders. They are starting to do this already allowing players to choose how their characters look. More customization is the future, and it only makes sense to add more options for players to use in that regard. Many MMORPGs have opened the doors to allowing more customization and options for women in their games and considering Women have been spending more on virtual goods than men ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2011/08/07/females-spending-more-real-cash-on-virtual-goods-in-video-games-than-males/ ) this is a great move on their part considering sales of virtual goods are the best way for games to increase their revenues and boost their games longevity to get the most for their money spent. Allowing player customization is the best way to allow players to " have their cake and eat it too". Games failing to do so long term will not be able to compete with those that do.

This is much more of a challenge for indie games than aaa games, as many aaa games have already realized this is the next step and have already been doing this.

MMO's have had sliders since EQ1 and Camelot...they're not really breaking ground so much as mowing the same lawn they've been mowing for twenty years...and c'mon, you know as well as I do that outside of a handful of ones like Archeage and Black Desert, there's really not much difference between "skinny" and "fat". And those are barely played...

You need to play more games then! XD Yes, there are games where sliders are bad, but there are games where sliders are good too.
For example Maxed out slider ESO:

Luckily in todays market, more have stepped up to provide more options. Eventually those that refuse to do so will be left behind as more competition makes it " standard" to do so and it becomes a feature players expect to see.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

(I will say they probably represent the average American feminist, though),

...Really? We're stooping to mudslinging levels that are THAT low?

What?s this ?we?? I?m me; I?m not a part of a ?we.?

As far as mudslinging? I personally don?t see it as mudslinging. If you consider that comment mudslinging, then you should admit they drew first blood. I was just defending American women by saying that that the average American woman is NOT as fat as these female character adaptations are. The photoshoppers are insulting American women by insinuating that these fat figures represent the average American women.

What should be understood however, is there is a HUGE difference between " being overweight" and having a different body type. Simply because someone is an endomoprh or an apple shape does not mean they are fat. The pictures are not actually of overweight women, they are just different body types. Not everyone can be an ectomorph, or an hourglass figure regardless of how much weight they lose. You can be underweight and still not have a flat belly due to your natural body shape. The idea that some think someone is fat simply because people have different body types does not mean they actually are, it is only showing ignorance of the human form. I personally would like to see more body types included in gaming. nhaving a variety of different heights, races, body types and personalities would be great.

More of this:

No. I'm willing to put actual, real US dollars down this. If the altered Helena, Riku or Cortana went into a reputable doctor, the doctor would give them a nice long chat about how they're very, very overweight.

Almost all of these characters were perfectly fine beforehand, or only need to be slightly bigger to present a "reasonable" image.

LMAO.. WHAT?!! I certainly hope you do not actually believe that. No, they do not appear to be overweight by the pictures provided here, just different body types. This may be helpful to you:

Except Helena and Riku are easily 200lbs, if not more.

LOL no, they would not be, not unless they were giants.. ROFL.
This may help you visualize as a reference:

I don't need a reference.

Two women, one who is basically my height (6ft) and another who would barely come up to my chest, both of who suddenly ballon'ing up to be 2x-3x my size around are going to weigh AT LEAST what I weigh (205lbs) or more. It's sheer size at that point.

Apparently you do need a reference, as the pictures you are going on about are not even overweight, and unless they are well over 6ft they are not going to be over 200lbs in that picture LOL

Yes, muscle weighs more than fat, but that would have to be a lot of muscle to make them weigh that much and look like that.

For example, she has more muscle than they do and does not weigh over 200lbs:

Even all that muscle only weighs 138lbs..

 

[Paragon Fury]

And for the Cortana reference, here are what various "Smart" and "Dumb" AIs choose to look like in Halo. Not that I've only chosen to display the ones we have actual pictures of - I'm leaving out the ones we just have text descriptions for.

Spoiler

Cortana
UNSC Pillar of Autumn/UNSC In Amber Clad/UNSC Forward Unto Dawn/UNSC Gettysburg+COV Unyielding Heirophant/ODP Cairo Station

Roland
UNSC Infinity

Serina
UNSC Spirit of Fire

Ionia
UNSC Blue Team Intelligence AI

Mo Ye
UNSC The Heart of the Midlothian

Rebecca
UNSC Red Horse

Auntie Dot
UNSC Planetary AI - Reach

Superintendent
New Mombasa City AI[/b]

Yeah. You could've picked a better target than Halo for this.

 

[Redryhno]

You need to play more games then! XD Yes, there are games where sliders are bad, but there are games where sliders are good too.
For example Maxed out slider ESO:

Luckily in todays market, more have stepped up to provide more options. Eventually those that refuse to do so will be left behind as more competition makes it " standard" to do so and it becomes a feature players expect to see.

Why would I play more of a genre of games I despise?

Also, you're using ESO, yet another game that's been a gigantic disappointment for a huge amount of people despite the customization that's praised. Which goes back to a point I was making with Er or Burned or someone else, there's not enough of a market or the options are not in games with solid enough mechanics that are also interesting to sustain themselves. ESO went from sub, to buy to play, to free to play, in about the space of a month...

Also there's either something wrong with her ass or her back, I'm not sure which, I don't think you're supposed to have the letter J replace that area of your body.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

You need to play more games then! XD Yes, there are games where sliders are bad, but there are games where sliders are good too.
For example Maxed out slider ESO:

Luckily in todays market, more have stepped up to provide more options. Eventually those that refuse to do so will be left behind as more competition makes it " standard" to do so and it becomes a feature players expect to see.

Why would I play more of a genre of games I despise?

Also, you're using ESO, yet another game that's been a gigantic disappointment for a huge amount of people despite the customization that's praised. Which goes back to a point I was making with Er or Burned or someone else, there's not enough of a market or the options are not in games with solid enough mechanics that are also interesting to sustain themselves. ESO went from sub, to buy to play, to free to play, in about the space of a month...

Also there's either something wrong with her ass or her back, I'm not sure which, I don't think you're supposed to have the letter J replace that area of your body.

Yes, ESO was a huge disappointment, but not due to their customization, having Zenimax anywhere near anything will ruin it, but that is another matter. It being a disappointment makes other devs look even worse however because then it is " IF a shitty game like ESO can have sliders WTF is wrong with you that you can't do it? " XD

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

And for the Cortana reference, here are what various "Smart" and "Dumb" AIs choose to look like in Halo. Not that I've only chosen to display the ones we have actual pictures of - I'm leaving out the ones we just have text descriptions for.

Spoiler

Cortana
UNSC Pillar of Autumn/UNSC In Amber Clad/UNSC Forward Unto Dawn/UNSC Gettysburg+COV Unyielding Heirophant/ODP Cairo Station

Roland
UNSC Infinity

Serina
UNSC Spirit of Fire

Ionia
UNSC Blue Team Intelligence AI

Mo Ye
UNSC The Heart of the Midlothian

Rebecca
UNSC Red Horse

Auntie Dot
UNSC Planetary AI - Reach

Superintendent
New Mombasa City AI[/b]

Yeah. You could've picked a better target than Halo for this.

Not sure what that has to do with their edited depiction of cortana not being considered overweight, she is just a different body type than the first image, not " fat" at all.
Are you looking at the same pictures as everyone else?

Considering Amy Schumer is a size 6 :

that isn't what one would really consider "overweight".

 

[Redryhno]

You need to play more games then! XD Yes, there are games where sliders are bad, but there are games where sliders are good too.
For example Maxed out slider ESO:

Luckily in todays market, more have stepped up to provide more options. Eventually those that refuse to do so will be left behind as more competition makes it " standard" to do so and it becomes a feature players expect to see.

Why would I play more of a genre of games I despise?

Also, you're using ESO, yet another game that's been a gigantic disappointment for a huge amount of people despite the customization that's praised. Which goes back to a point I was making with Er or Burned or someone else, there's not enough of a market or the options are not in games with solid enough mechanics that are also interesting to sustain themselves. ESO went from sub, to buy to play, to free to play, in about the space of a month...

Also there's either something wrong with her ass or her back, I'm not sure which, I don't think you're supposed to have the letter J replace that area of your body.

Yes, ESO was a huge disappointment, but not due to their customization, having Zenimax anywhere near anything will ruin it, but that is another matter. It being a disappointment makes other devs look even worse however because then it is " IF a shitty game like ESO can have sliders WTF is wrong with you that you can't do it? " XD

Oh that's somewhat simple to answer, resources. Writing the copious amounts of code for each slider(like seriously, I saw a buddy try to code a slider system that translated to some sort of graphics thing for a class and the amount of work for each of them was fucking insane), the debugging, making sure it translates correctly, etc. So much work on something that's not all that important most of the time in nearly every MMO where role-playing is more like Cosplay Souls than anything else that could be better spent on making sure it didn't become a Plague Simulator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupted_Blood_incident

Most of the big MMOs don't need to focus on graphics or models considering most of the time you're not looking at your character, you're looking at pretty much everything but, damage percentages, timers, cooldowns, positioning, etc.. Most games have standard models for each race you're allowed, and with stats and faction starts becoming a thing of the past, it becomes less "why no sliders" and more "y u no pick this race" if you want a certain body type. And even then, most of the armor and weapons have the standard look so that your character model honestly looks like everyone else's. Which is why I applaud EQ2's appearance equipment section, so you can keep wearing the shitty gear you get at level 1 if you like the look of it.