Female Game Characters Photoshopped to Average American Proportions

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NemotheElvenPanda

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Okay.....well, a lot of these ladies are pretty active, so they wouldn't have the "average american" body since the "average american" doesn't punch and do backflips for a living. These ladies should have trimmed muscle instead of being so petite if anything else. Also, has it yet been mentioned that just as how some bodies are naturally generous, some bodies just happen to be trim? There are people out there, like myself and a number of my relatives, who stay pretty svelte throughout their life without much diet control or activity.

I'm all for more variety in games, body types included. The possibility that a game like Fallout 4 lets you customize your weapons in hundreds of different ways to designing entire towns while every character has the same build unlike in Skyrim is a little ridiculous. However, this just looks like lazy activism because there is no such thing as a "typical body type". While this may look typical to some Americans, people from Japan would see this as obese. There is a valid discussion on how media can impact body perceptions and unhealthy ideals for guys and girls alike, but demonizing a specific body type that people in real life do have by putting another on a pedestal isn't addressing the problem which is plenty more complicated than girls seeing ladies in a specific build in a video game.
 

Leon Royce

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Areloch said:
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If Americans didn't eat so much garbage they wouldn't be so fat.

Stop eating food imitation products, chemical products, GMO, fertilizer, pesticides and eat real food instead. Watch the fat melt away.
Man, just...what?

First, food IS chemicals.

Second, do you actually know what GMO means and stands for? Or did you hear about how they're bad for you somehow?

Third, are you actually positing that Americans eat fertilizer and pesticides? Or are you insinuating that you shouldn't use fertilizer and pesticides on crops. Because both of those are astoundingly nonsensical.

Lastly, You can have the healthiest diet in the world, and if you don't get any exercise, you'll still get fat because you're not burning any of the calories you're taking in. Healthy food isn't some magical silver bullet and that line of reasoning is actually a large part of the obesity problem for the first world.

"Exercise is hard and takes too much time. I'll just try X, Y, Z diet or this magic diet powder! Oh nooo, I'm not getting skinny!"
McDonalds come to China, and a few years later an obesity epidemic breaks out among young people. Why? Low quality food, like that served in McDonalds (which can be easily identified because it doesn't rote if you leave it) is simply unhealthy filth. You saturate your body with crap and your appearance will manifest it. We have starting living in the last couple of decades the consequences of three generations eating processed, doctored, chemical foods, something which began after the second world war, a result of a simultaneous population explosion and a desire from consumers to lower expenses on food to have more disposable income for toys.

If you drink Red Bull and Coke instead of water, Doritos and doughnuts instead of fresh bread, eat TV diners and fast food instead of hand cooked meals with high quality ingredients and fruit loops and skittles instead of real fruit, not only will you put on weight but after a few decades your body will become riddled with disease (diabetes, cancer, and more recently crones disease which has been linked to GMO foods in studies on bovines)

Exercise is overrated. It's pushed to sell things. Walking is all most human beings really need. I know a fat woman who has been exercising for 20 years, but eats low quality food from cheap supermarkets and has never put off the weight. I eat organic food and go for the occasional walks, and have remained on the lean muscular side my whole life without doing any sport, other than one and a half years of weight lifting.

I switched years ago from typical western supermarket food. Since then I've cut my daily meals from three to one and a half while retaining the same level of energy, in fact more. Since natural high quality food is richer and fresher, you don't have to eat more to get the same amount of vitamins, minerals and calories. Pasteurized foods are the worst. We pasteurize almost everything to extend shelf-life, but pasteurization kills close to 99% of all the healthy elements in food, like in orange juice for example.

While there are factors beyond simply eating and exercise that influence a body's ability to put on and retain weight, the fact is the quality of the fuel is a great place to start. Neglect quality in favor of quantity, and shove large amounts of it into your body, and you will pay a price for it eventually. The larger the food company (Nestle, General Mills, Kraft, Pepsico etc...) the more they push for low quality, GMO and lower government oversight of quality in any country they operate. Why do they lobby for lower quality?

I agree with you though that most diets are bullshit. Diets are always looking for that one chemical (cholesterol, gluten, salt etc...) that is causing everyone's problems. Given enough time, it's proven that naturally present elements in food (like those cited previously) are not a problem. The only time something has to be removed is when it comes from a lab, like trans-fats.

Dieting tips never recommend to improve the quality of the food eaten, only changes in the types eaten.

Having lived in the states a year (from Europe), and seeing army cadets drink gatorade for electrolytes (another term for mineral salts present in water) for breakfast while picking the yoke out of their eggs for fear of cholesterol has given me plenty of incite into American (and increasingly Western) eating habits.
 

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dunam said:
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They dont want to play as Bob the overweight office guy... they want to be nathan grayson
Nathan Grayson or Nathan Drake?
HAH.. oh boy what a slipup...

But hey.. i did say some people like to play as the villain right? XD

OT:

These characters even idealized as some of them are.. look healthy. They are not super skinny where the bones shine through like what happens in real live, nor do they actually propagate that "if you hunger yourselfe almost to death you too can be this successfull!". And in case of the legend of zelda the female is highly stylized and not even human.. just human like.

Fictional characters have zero impact on peoples real lives
 

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Because a video game in which people from all colors and shapes team up to kill a demigod who obliterates half the solar system in pulling a meteorite into earth needs to be more realistic in body shape...

Tell you what, you want to make a game with realistically proportioned females, fine. But have them do something realistic like their real-life counterparts do. Like make the main game about complaining on the internet, and make the loading screens have a minigame where you eat boxes of ho hos, chocolates, and donuts.
 

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How exactly am I wrong? I wanted to show that Rikku's measurements (in that picture) are larger than in the picture of Kate Upton provided. Does my little 2 minute project not show that?
My mistake, I read your post and the measurements, but missed the text you added to the images. I assumed you were talking in absolutes.
 

Dreiko_v1legacy

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Why are you Photoshopping Japanese characters into American proportions? Japanese proportions are fine for Japanese characters and they are considerably skinnier than the US of lard.
 

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Well most real people aren't attractive. I'd say most people are actually rather ugly and unappealing.
And I'm no Brad Pitt.

Definitions of what is over weight are slipping (but definitions of what's healthy aren't). If we aren't careful we will end up like the future humans from Wall:E


If average women want to look like that let them. But video game characters are usually supposed to be special or impressive specimens not average people.

I other words... No one wants video game girls to look like this apart from fat girls with weight complex's
 

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Is there any reason to think this is a feminist "Stop making everyone attractive" attempt rather than just illustrating that video game characters are much thinner than how most people look. An obvious point to you and me perhaps but something that people with eating disorders struggle to accept. You are not the target audience for these images!
Someone should have told the media that [http://i.imgur.com/AVrGEtB.png].
Also, the adjusted images look a bit overweight but not seriously so. They're certainly not obese.
Uh, no, the only one who is a 'bit' overweight is the cortana one, everyone else is very much ranging from seriously overweight to outright obese given the body proportions.
 

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Wow, if it wasn't bad enough that the whole thing was poorly thought out, and even more sloppily executed, now the media is pushing it?
 

Dreiko_v1legacy

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What I like most is how some of those articles declare it to be fact that "they're still badass!" and such.

Who the hell gave you the authority to decide this? I never voted for such an outcome.
 

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K12 said:
Yeah, fuck those guys trying to help people suffering with eating disorders!

Realise that these were made by a group specifically working to help people who are bulimic and anorexic... i.e. people who have warped impressions of their own bodies and what's normal or appropriate.
Just because their intentions are good doesn't mean everything they do is automatically "right" or "justified" or beyond criticism.

K12 said:
Is there any reason to think this is a feminist "Stop making everyone attractive" attempt rather than just illustrating that video game characters are much thinner than how most people look. An obvious point to you and me perhaps but something that people with eating disorders struggle to accept. You are not the target audience for these images!
The only reason they're "much thinner than how most people look" is because the world has become much, much fatter in the past 15-20 years.

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Also, the adjusted images look a bit overweight but not seriously so. They're certainly not obese.
"A bit overweight" - really? Just "a bit"?
 
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people sound so angry in this thread. my tupence; some of the after pics look attractive after being altered, I just fell in love with Helena.

how about something more useful like here's how they'd look at an obtainable healthy weight through a balance diet and exercise
 

Dreiko_v1legacy

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An organisation makes an illustrative point regarding body standards for girls with eating disorders.
Gamers flip the fuck out for no concievable reason, once again showcasing the tact and grace they so vehemently deny exists within the culture.
At some point you have to wonder if it's less about "games don't affect the real world" and more "the real worlds doesn't even matter to me".

Stay classy, gamers.
When I am in the midst of playing a game, I am immersed in the fictional world it creates. That's the point of the games I play (RPGs mainly) and that's where some of these chars come from.

The real world ought not intrude into this activity. The charm of it is precisely that it is not at all related to the real world. If you don't get that you don't get gaming culture or you play different kinds of games and not story-heavy world-building epics. In any case, this is still the reality and you have to live in a world with people who want their games and their real life to be separated by a wall made out of tigers, as someone very famous here would put it.
 

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Mr Ink 5000 said:
people sound so angry in this thread. my tupence; some of the after pics look attractive after being altered, I just fell in love with Helena.

how about something more useful like here's how they'd look at an obtainable healthy weight through a balance diet and exercise
Because that would probably require more work than a day fiddling around in Photoshop...

There's alot of potential in the idea, but it was wasted so thoroughly I don't think they can come back to it even if they wanted to. I mean, they just chucked soft fat on them and called them more realistic when nearly every one of them are active as all hell and the better choice would've been to just add muscle.
 

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Zontar said:
K12 said:
Is there any reason to think this is a feminist "Stop making everyone attractive" attempt rather than just illustrating that video game characters are much thinner than how most people look. An obvious point to you and me perhaps but something that people with eating disorders struggle to accept. You are not the target audience for these images!
Someone should have told the media that [http://i.imgur.com/AVrGEtB.png].
Also, the adjusted images look a bit overweight but not seriously so. They're certainly not obese.
Uh, no, the only one who is a 'bit' overweight is the cortana one, everyone else is very much ranging from seriously overweight to outright obese given the body proportions.
I don't see how your link in any way goes against what I said above it.

Do you think that they look obese or are you just being picky with my use of the phrase "a bit"? I'd expect women of this shape to have a BMI between 25 and 30 (I know BMI is a fairly rough way of judging these things but we're making guesses based on still images of imaginary people so it'll do) which is generally considered overweight but not obese. The range were you could do with losing a few stone but not were you're likely to have serious health risks.
 

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someguy1231 said:
K12 said:
Yeah, fuck those guys trying to help people suffering with eating disorders!

Realise that these were made by a group specifically working to help people who are bulimic and anorexic... i.e. people who have warped impressions of their own bodies and what's normal or appropriate.
Just because their intentions are good doesn't mean everything they do is automatically "right" or "justified" or beyond criticism.
No shit... The fact that they aren't beyond criticism isn't a criticism.

However their good intentions are a counter-point to the idea that Bulimia.com has "no class" for making these images which is the point I was responding to.

someguy1231 said:
K12 said:
Is there any reason to think this is a feminist "Stop making everyone attractive" attempt rather than just illustrating that video game characters are much thinner than how most people look. An obvious point to you and me perhaps but something that people with eating disorders struggle to accept. You are not the target audience for these images!
The only reason they're "much thinner than how most people look" is because the world has become much, much fatter in the past 15-20 years.
Again no shit. Do you think most people have acquired their mental illnesses due to an assessment of recent statistics? I'm not suggesting they get it from video games or even idealized, photo-shopped and airbrushed images or thin women in the media in general but how is this relevant to an attempt to help people with eating disorders who have a warped idea of how their body should look.

someguy1231 said:
K12 said:
Also, the adjusted images look a bit overweight but not seriously so. They're certainly not obese.
"A bit overweight" - really? Just "a bit"?
I should have known better than to use such a vague inexact quantity like "a bit" on the internet. I'd say they have BMIs of between 25 and 30 so overweight but not obese.
 

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Burned Hand said:
Dreiko said:
chikusho said:
An organisation makes an illustrative point regarding body standards for girls with eating disorders.
Gamers flip the fuck out for no concievable reason, once again showcasing the tact and grace they so vehemently deny exists within the culture.
At some point you have to wonder if it's less about "games don't affect the real world" and more "the real worlds doesn't even matter to me".

Stay classy, gamers.
When I am in the midst of playing a game, I am immersed in the fictional world it creates. That's the point of the games I play (RPGs mainly) and that's where some of these chars come from.

The real world ought not intrude into this activity. The charm of it is precisely that it is not at all related to the real world. If you don't get that you don't get gaming culture or you play different kinds of games and not story-heavy world-building epics. In any case, this is still the reality and you have to live in a world with people who want their games and their real life to be separated by a wall made out of tigers, as someone very famous here would put it.
So basically you just want the genre you love to stay the way you love it, and fuck the rest. I think that was pretty much @Chikusho:'s whole point.
Well, that's one way to put it, another is that he doesn't expect RPG's to conform to reality and the moment this kind of crap gets heavily involved, they stop being RPGs and reality stops being something he can get away from.
 

Dreiko_v1legacy

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Entirely because it is as it is, I like the genre. Nobody has the right to change it just because they dislike it. They can go on and find the thing they like and partake in it, as I have. It surely must exist out there. This just isn't it.

I don't know where the "fuck the rest" comes from. The rest are free to enjoy it as well and if they don't like it then they are free to do something else. What's the issue here?


Not everyone has to like everything. I don't like sports games but I don't go at a place where sports games fans mingle and complain. I don't need to. I have my own things that I like to be kept busy with.


If you have nothing you like and need to change things so that you'll finally get something that you like, all these different things are not the ones that have the problem, you do.
 

Leon Royce

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Well, someone somewhere is going to have to go through eating this stuff for decades and showing the results to the rest of the world. As long as it isn't me.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/11/us-gmo-pigs-study-idUSBRE95A14K20130611