Female Gamers: An Unpopular Opinion

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doctorwhofan said:
Raincloud said:
doctorwhofan said:
AmayaOnnaOtaku said:
Being a gamer who also happens to be female, I have been on both sides of this issue. I have seen the stereotypes of MMO female players from being an officer in 3 different WOW guilds. As well as far back to my pen and paper D&D 2nd edition days. I could do my own manifesto of my on peeves I see in the gaming world, but this blog sums up my thoughts nicely.

I am a girl gamer. This, of course, means I'm female and I like to play video games. However, when you put those two words together... Weird stuff happens. The world of a girl gamer is very different from that of other gamers. And it tends to be really, really annoying.

So here, in no particular order (or, rather, the order in which they pop into my head as I type) are one girl gamer's pet peeves. Drumroll, please.

1. Idiotic Conversations.
"I bet your boyfriend loves you." If I have one, he better love me for more than that.
"How did you get into video games?" Same way you did, moron. It wasn't a covert operation.
"That's sexy." Not really.

2. Girl Gamers who Objectify Themselves.
Do a Google Images search for "girl gamer" and you'll find plenty of pictures of girl gamers... many of them nude and posing with their consoles/controllers covering their naughty bits. Way to strike a blow for girl gamers everywhere, girls. And WTF? In what world does "console porn" even make sense??? Call me wacky, but I prefer to use my video game controllers to control my video games - not to take the place of key undergarments.

3. Video Game Salespeople.
Sometimes the girl gamer is lucky and she'll run into another of her own kind at the video game store. This is a cause for celebration and joy. However, it's usually some dude behind the counter. Some dude who will ignore your presence. Some dude who will talk down to you. Some dude who will ask who you're buying the game for. Some dude who's a freaking moron.

4. Female Characters' Wardrobes.
The next time I go out to kill endless monsters and wage epic battles for the betterment of mankind... I think I'll totally wear a bikini. I mean, that freedom of movement is WAY better than wearing armor that might actually save my life if I were to be attacked. Besides, who would attack me with my tits and ass hanging out for all to see? Who needs a battle strategy when you can wow 'em with some body parts? Now where did my panty armor made out of an old N64 controller go...?

5. Nintendo Hate.
Oh, I get it. You boys and your toys and your console wars. I get it. But too often, someone's main reason for hating on Nintendo is because their games aren't "hardcore" enough for them. You know why that is, little fanboy? Because Nintendo is aware that girl gamers exist - and that they can make money off of them. And that's a win-win situation. We get games that don't involve us running around killing endless monsters in our underwear - and Nintendo makes more money because of it.

6. "Are You Really a Girl?"
Thankfully, boy gamers haven't started asking this question in RL encounters. Yet. But in online games, it's always one of the first questions a girl is asked. Guys are partially to blame for this, as some of them like to pose as girls to get free stuff from idiotic boys who will give equips and money to any girl who happens to walk by (which would go in my "Raves of a Girl Gamer" article if I were writing one, incidentally). It's also partially because some guys really, truly, sincerely believe that girls don't play games and therefore must be men in disguise. In either case, nothing makes you grow tired of having to prove your gender quite like being a girl gamer can.

7. When Sexism and Ageism Collide.
I'm 30 years old. I'm female. I don't see any reason to hide these facts, as they're part of who I am. However, the next online gamer who replies to these facts with, "Why are you playing this? Shouldn't you be married by now? Where's your family?" is going to get their ass kicked. Hardcore.

8. Shock & Awe.
You know, I don't play video games to be cute or to give fanboy gamers a cheap thrill. I play them because they're fun. And I enjoy playing them. I enjoy getting better at them and beating my own high scores - and others'. So when I kick your ass at your precious FPS or beat your high score on your favorite puzzler... Don't act like you just witnessed the second coming of Christ. Getting good at games is what tends to happen when you actually play them and don't just cavort around nude with the consoles themselves.

9. The Gaming Industry.
For every good game geared at girls, there's dozens released that are geared at guys. Also, some genres seem like they'll never catch on that girls are playing, too. Heck, I like to shoot things. I like to blow things up. I like to run people over, beat the crap out of them and steal their money. Yet almost all of these games are obviously geared towards men. Now, I'm not saying they should put out "Sally Smith Goes Postal in the Shopping Mall" or something... but surely they can come up with some new scenarios that aren't based on historic warfare, modern warfare or alien warfare. The GTA series does well at bringing this genre out of the warfare mindset - but now I'm beating up hookers. That's not much better.

And finally...
10. Girl Gamers Who Can't Lighten Up.
Yeah, sexism is out there. Yes, I just went through nine reasons why the gaming world annoys me. But on the other side of the token... They're just games. They're meant to be fun. The moment they stop being fun and start becoming a crusade for equal rights, then it's time to hang up your controllers and find something that IS still fun for you. As for me, I'll keep playing my pink Gameboy and waiting for the day when the gaming industry as a whole catches up and starts putting as much effort into our games as they do for the boys.

QFT.

/signed another gamer girl. I don't hide that fact I am a female, and growing up in the '80's and being a counter culture computer geek AND a girl segerated me from most ofthe population in high school. Fast forward to today. I find it highly amusing that pepople think I just "discovered" DnD. After all, geek girls didn't exist 20 years ago, right? "Wargames" was just a movie, not real life. I have been playing for 30 years buddy. ANd a DM in my own right.

No, bikinis are NOT proper armour. IF they are, I want my buffed and gorgeous male counterparts in thongs. THEN fight the dragon.

Yes, I have "HUGE tracks of land". Deal with it.

DO I have to shout louder to have my voice heard in the gaming community? Yes. I tire of it.

I wish there was equal rights, but there isn't. THere are days I have to scream (not actually, but the intent) "look at my CHEST! I'am gurl. Me LOVES geeks and games!!" in order for my opinion to be heard. And now they expect to either wait on my hand and foot, or just nod and pretend that I exist. It's just SAD. Because I still hear "wow, I didn't know girls play!" in my game I play still today.

We do buddy. We don't look like the babe on Boris's posters, well alot of us, but we are real. Once you guys decide to accept us, then alot of this tension will go away. Took you 20+ years to realise we DO game, I'm sure it will take another 20 to realise not all of us want pink armour, or apprecate bikini armour...

PS: I like the Wii too. I excersie with it every day and I play games that winning isn't measured in the amount of blood spilled.

PPS yeah games are fun. I wouldn't play if they are not. Relax. This generation needs FRankie.
Dang DrWho, what server are you on? No just kidding. Most of the time, I don't receive any acknowledgement about being a girl and a gamer. The other players just accept that I am a good player and it's done. They may clean up their language a little bit more while I am in party or change the subject. (I really don't need to know about where you keep your dirty underwear.. true story). But then, there are times when I get the "just hit puberty" guy and I roll my eyes. Thankfully, I am assertive enough to stop them before they make a fool of themselves and eventually they get over it. But I have to tell you, more often than not, it's other girls commenting on my gender. They can't believe that another girl exists in the game they are playing. It's sad really.

as to the op....

For those of you who wonder why some of us "normal" (I think that is how someone catergorized it earlier in this thread) do speak up in vent or in game and reveal our gender, have you ever thought that maybe we aren't on a soapbox yelling about women's suffrage or looking to bait some poor schmuck to handing over all his money. Maybe, just maybe, we don't care that we are women and you are men. We just want to play a game and have fun. Maybe, it is you that has the problem.
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Raincloud said:
doctorwhofan said:
Raincloud said:
doctorwhofan said:
AmayaOnnaOtaku said:
Being a gamer who also happens to be female, -snip to save space.

QFT.

/signed another gamer girl. I don't hide that fact I am a female, and growing up in the '80's and being a counter culture computer geek AND a girl segerated me from most ofthe population in high school. Fast forward to today. I find it highly amusing that pepople think I just "discovered" DnD. After all, geek girls didn't exist 20 years ago, right? "Wargames" was just a movie, not real life. I have been playing for 30 years buddy. ANd a DM in my own right.

No, bikinis are NOT proper armour. IF they are, I want my buffed and gorgeous male counterparts in thongs. THEN fight the dragon.

Yes, I have "HUGE tracks of land". Deal with it.

DO I have to shout louder to have my voice heard in the gaming community? Yes. I tire of it.

I wish there was equal rights, but there isn't. THere are days I have to scream (not actually, but the intent) "look at my CHEST! I'am gurl. Me LOVES geeks and games!!" in order for my opinion to be heard. And now they expect to either wait on my hand and foot, or just nod and pretend that I exist. It's just SAD. Because I still hear "wow, I didn't know girls play!" in my game I play still today.

We do buddy. We don't look like the babe on Boris's posters, well alot of us, but we are real. Once you guys decide to accept us, then alot of this tension will go away. Took you 20+ years to realise we DO game, I'm sure it will take another 20 to realise not all of us want pink armour, or apprecate bikini armour...

PS: I like the Wii too. I excersie with it every day and I play games that winning isn't measured in the amount of blood spilled.

PPS yeah games are fun. I wouldn't play if they are not. Relax. This generation needs FRankie.
Dang DrWho, what server are you on? No just kidding. Most of the time, I don't receive any acknowledgement about being a girl and a gamer. The other players just accept that I am a good player and it's done. They may clean up their language a little bit more while I am in party or change the subject. (I really don't need to know about where you keep your dirty underwear.. true story). But then, there are times when I get the "just hit puberty" guy and I roll my eyes. Thankfully, I am assertive enough to stop them before they make a fool of themselves and eventually they get over it. But I have to tell you, more often than not, it's other girls commenting on my gender. They can't believe that another girl exists in the game they are playing. It's sad really.

as to the op....

For those of you who wonder why some of us "normal" (I think that is how someone catergorized it earlier in this thread) do speak up in vent or in game and reveal our gender, have you ever thought that maybe we aren't on a soapbox yelling about women's suffrage or looking to bait some poor schmuck to handing over all his money. Maybe, just maybe, we don't care that we are women and you are men. We just want to play a game and have fun. Maybe, it is you that has the problem.
THelanis - DDO
Khyber - DDO
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doctorwhofan said:
Raincloud said:
doctorwhofan said:
Raincloud said:
doctorwhofan said:
AmayaOnnaOtaku said:
Being a gamer who also happens to be female, -snip to save space.

QFT.

/signed another gamer girl. snip... snip...
Dang DrWho, what server are you on? No just kidding. Most of the time, I don't receive any acknowledgement about being a girl and a gamer. The other players just accept that I am a good player and it's done. They may clean up their language a little bit more while I am in party or change the subject. (I really don't need to know about where you keep your dirty underwear.. true story). But then, there are times when I get the "just hit puberty" guy and I roll my eyes. Thankfully, I am assertive enough to stop them before they make a fool of themselves and eventually they get over it. But I have to tell you, more often than not, it's other girls commenting on my gender. They can't believe that another girl exists in the game they are playing. It's sad really.

as to the op....

For those of you who wonder why some of us "normal" (I think that is how someone catergorized it earlier in this thread) do speak up in vent or in game and reveal our gender, have you ever thought that maybe we aren't on a soapbox yelling about women's suffrage or looking to bait some poor schmuck to handing over all his money. Maybe, just maybe, we don't care that we are women and you are men. We just want to play a game and have fun. Maybe, it is you that has the problem.
THelanis - DDO
Khyber - DDO
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On a completely unrelated note, I have a gift code for a Female FFXIII Avatar outfit, Not sure who it is the male one was Yaag Rasch or something like that. First lady gamer to drop me a PM asking for it is welcome to it.
On topic: While it's true that some women gamers (though more often girl is the more appropriate term) make use of others willingness to pamper their sex it's far from a constant. That said I'm speaking from outside the high school demographic, which might make all the difference in this case.
 

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What bothers me is that in the Nintendo DS 'girls range' there sits Zelda: Phantom Hourglass! WTF! NO!

But seriously, I'd have to admit, a girl into games as a whole is rare for me and while I won't persue some randomer online cause she's a girl, if I met a girl and she advertised herself as a gamer I'd be very interested.
 

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slackbheep said:
On a completely unrelated note, I have a gift code for a Female FFXIII Avatar outfit, Not sure who it is the male one was Yaag Rasch or something like that. First lady gamer to drop me a PM asking for it is welcome to it.
It's jihl nabaat and I have it already. Now if you have the chocobo one, I will take it!
I consider the gamer a part of my personality as well as my Otaku/geek/Subculturist. I have gotten use to being the female who rather go to the comic book shop than spend ONE minute in Sephora. As a gamer who will be turning 30 next month it is nice to see how far the gaming culture has come, but also see how far it needs to come as well.


WOW character is Selynnah on Aerie Peak.
 

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I agree with the majority of posts on this, in that it's really not necessary to draw attention to one's gender online. I believe in equality in that I don't think anyone should get special rights based on sex, race etc. which is why I take exception to women-only car insurance etc. I think it's sexist.
 

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Eukaryote said:
mythgraven said:
As a male, its genetically written into my code to have a certain interest in the "fairer" sex.
Orly? Link to article supporting your assertion plz.
Population growth is still strongly positive, right? It is? Okay, just checking.
 

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Katana314 said:
I wonder if I should advertise MY gender by naming myself "MaleGamer" in TF2. I wonder what sort of stares that would draw.
Stares from THE GAY. (j/k please don't ban me)
 

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Don't worry my man, people don't get banned for honest opinions on this site, so long as they're not completely stupid and are properly and logically argued for.

Your little rant there is both :)
 

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I've played with a few and they werent so bad.
Still werent as good as any of my male friends, but it was like "Hi i play games." "Cool....and?"
 

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someone say something about girls?!!?>! (o_O)

but no, in my opinion it's the same with us Aussie's, so who cares whether anyone cares about caring about differences! a chick added me on xbox live because she liked accents and I'm pretty sure I was yelling at a dude about using akimbo at the time lol XD (I was pissed at the time).

lol I feel bad when I play against some girls (rainbow six vegas 2) who stop in their tracks to aim and then get headshot by me with a desert eagle & no ADS :S.

no offence to the plenty capable women out there.
 

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*shrug* It goes both ways. Most people make claims of flaunting being a female if in any way it's revealed that they are a female. This stigma is often carried to anyone online with female friends.
 

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Katana314 said:
I wonder if I should advertise MY gender by naming myself "MaleGamer" in TF2. I wonder what sort of stares that would draw.
Given everyone just assumes you've a penis until you state otherwise, I'd assume they'd just think your abit odd.
 

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When I see a female avatar on my mmorpg, I will assume that person is a girl. While knowing they often are not, it solves my trouble of what to call them. Ínterestingly enough, I get a lot of "Dude, I'm a guy" when I refer to them as "she". This is much more common than the other way around, to be honest. Me, I only reveal my true sex when it's obvious they take me for a man. Much like I generally reveal what country I'm from only when they assume I'm american.
I honestly have never seen these gamer grrrls you speak of. While attention seeking people(I don't really want to use the word "whore" here as it implies it only applies to females) are always annoying, maybe the biggest problem lies with you who take offence by it. Putting "girl" in your name is no different than say "azn" or "pinoy" or "latino". Because most people on games will always assume you are western european/northern american, male and somewhere between 13-35 years old. And sometimes, that is not true. And yes it is the internet, and I can be whoever I wish. But I want myself to choose what my alternative identity is, not you or anyone else.
 

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I have encountered two girls that I know of in online games, both in the world of combat flight sims.

The first was just "one of the boys" as far as the rest of our squadron (clan?) was concerned. Her name tag did not give any hint one way or the other as to her gender, so everybody else just assumed she was in fact a bloke and gave he no breaks. Those of us in the squadron gave her no breaks because she was one of the best virtual fighter pilots I have ever played against and she didn't need 'em! Seriously though, it was just never an issue. Our recruitment process was fairly thorough though, so we never really had many mongs in our group. And no, we weren't elitist, we just wanted to have relaxed fun without all the hassles that smack-talking assholes bring with them.

The second fell into the "GamerGrrrrlll" (or Attention Whore, if you will) category. This one plainly advertised who (or what) she was, and most certainly played on it. Fine by me, it doesn't wash with me though. Only problem was that while the majority of the chaps on the server she frequented went easy on her, and indeed would go out of their way and foresake their own victories to get her out of trouble, I stuck to my couldn't-give-a-toss attitude. The server stats showed that for a while I had shot her down almost twice as many times as anyone else had, and I got labeled as a dick for it. I mean seriously, wtf? If you fly straight and level while I am circling above looking for a victim, then I seriously don't give a crap if your icky-bits are on the inside or outside. I'm going to bounce you either way. And the stats also showed I hadn't shot her down any more than I had anyone else.

My point? It really doesn't matter one way or the other. I am not going to make assumptions about anybody based on their gender. Or their colour, creed, religion, taste in music etc etc. But if you do feel the need to try and play on it (and the impression I am getting from this thread is that more and more female gamers don't) then don't expect it to work on all of us. And if we ignore it (girls as well as boys!) then it will cease to be a problem. Simple!




Tandtroll said:
I don't really want to use the word "whore" here as it implies it only applies to females
Not sure I agree with that. I pride myself on being a man-whore of the most lecherous kind when in between significant others 0_o
 

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srm79" post="9.179897.5335361 said:
I have encountered two girls that I know of in online games, both in the world of combat flight sims.

The first was just "one of the boys" as far as the rest of our squadron (clan?) was concerned. Her name tag did not give any hint one way or the other as to her gender, so everybody else just assumed she was in fact a bloke and gave he no breaks. Those of us in the squadron gave her no breaks because she was one of the best virtual fighter pilots I have ever played against and she didn't need 'em! Seriously though, it was just never an issue. Our recruitment process was fairly thorough though, so we never really had many mongs in our group. And no, we weren't elitist, we just wanted to have relaxed fun without all the hassles that smack-talking assholes bring with them.

The second fell into the "GamerGrrrrlll" (or Attention Whore, if you will) category. This one plainly advertised who (or what) she was, and most certainly played on it. Fine by me, it doesn't wash with me though. Only problem was that while the majority of the chaps on the server she frequented went easy on her, and indeed would go out of their way and foresake their own victories to get her out of trouble, I stuck to my couldn't-give-a-toss attitude. The server stats showed that for a while I had shot her down almost twice as many times as anyone else had, and I got labeled as a dick for it. I mean seriously, wtf? If you fly straight and level while I am circling above looking for a victim, then I seriously don't give a crap if your icky-bits are on the inside or outside. I'm going to bounce you either way. And the stats also showed I hadn't shot her down any more than I had anyone else.

My point? It really doesn't matter one way or the other. I am not going to make assumptions about anybody based on their gender. Or their colour, creed, religion, taste in music etc etc. But if you do feel the need to try and play on it (and the impression I am getting from this thread is that more and more female gamers don't) then don't expect it to work on all of us. And if we ignore it (girls as well as boys!) then it will cease to be a problem. Simple!

There are also the one who have issues with any other females playing and the ones who hate all men in general but that is into stereotypes.
 

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I don't think I've ever seen the problem of "gamer gurl" here... other websites is a different story, however.
 

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I agree almost entirely, but there was one thing that I feel I must point out.

mythgraven said:
As a male, its genetically written into my code to have a certain interest in the "fairer" sex.
Not necesarily true, dude.