Something Amyss said:
From the OP:
So DICE recently twitted that there will be no female soldiers in the upcoming game BF1. EA originally said, and I quote, "Screw realism, we're adding female soldiers, because we're way overdue". But they decided to revert this decision since there were no female soldiers in WWI.
So no. You had the information you needed from the beginning. This even semi-answers the question of why. As much as I find the original "the feminists are coming" attitude to be absurd and an attempt at scare-mongering, the one thing it does do is spell out why this is an "issue."
Funny I was originally going to quote this verbatum and say the op doesn't indicate at any point the source
This however did not indicate that it was because a group of their target audience would find it strange and that is what i asked you to expanded on. I read the op and took that at face value.
Look, you know you decided to be rude, don't play this game with me.
I'd like to know how you know what I know.
I've read your posts and if they weren't conscious condensation then i would be concerned, I mean don't get me wrong i know a number of people who are oblivious to that but it doesn't often end well.
Either way I may not be the easiest person to have a conversation with but i would like to be spoken to with some civility. You don't have to like me, respect me or admire me just don't talk down to me.
Apparently, you didn't even read through all the tweets then, because you don't need to go beyond the initial tweets for the "more context" you're talking about. Tweets I found n my first hit on Google.
No i read through all 4 of them from the a couple of the new sites i stumbled on to, i don't trust those sites but the ones they introduced were of very little value.
Though I think the answer here is obvious: don't go to other threads on websites looking for answers.
Then what's the point of thread?
If we knew everything about this we wouldn't be coming in here confirming and wanking that information.
Now I don't ask to be given a world view, a way of thinking. I find that distasteful. But i will cobble together a idea of what's going on when i can.
This comes from Amandine's tweets on the matter. You know, the source.
Source or no source i cannot find away of confirming her statements.
If you want to believe go ahead, but so far neither her 4 tweets don't leave me assured that this is the whole truth. There are too many loose ends for me to develop a proper schema of how and why this works.
But this thread is about a "controversy" surrounding BF based on a series of tweets from a woman who works at DICE.
Then those would have been provided if it was about her tweets, this is a speculative conversation spun to the tune of presuming that feminists are about to descend on EA for a unconfirmed rumor.
While your first response was to look at "threads" on websites, mine was to look through the news, find out who said it, and look for her original tweets.
That wasn't my first response
I said it is what happened, I also should have indicated i hate those websites.
All of them
I never said I was good at research and frankly i am not.
Now, her Twitter account had since been made private (it's back up but it looks like the tweets have been removed), but her comments have been quoted in full extensively by every news piece I looked at, including the one that appears to be patient zero for the "controversy."
Then that confirms that as far as i know those 4 tweets were the only ones of concern.
That's fucking lame.
from what I've determined from your post, quite the opposite, this desiccated corpse is as dry and insubstantial as i thought.
That's rather disappointing, I thought i was JUST abysmal at research not that i am bad and the story is meager
I am further guessing that you went ahead and looked at threads on the matter because they were likely to reaffirm your position, rather than for any investigative value.
I can assure you, more than most things in my life that was not the case.
I do not like these sites and do not willingly go to reddit, in fact i despise it, i still went on them to check no matter how briefly for the source.
Also what position do you think i hold?
Whether or not that's the case, going to threads rather than actual sources is a poor way to gather information.
It seems that the information was so small and frankly weak that they could actually provide it, unfortunately.
It's also still having someone else do your homework.
What?
By that logic then going to news sites would still be someone else doing your homework (not to indicate that they are equal to games journos). One way or another I would be hunting the primary sources and not the second from them.
And as you've indicated above in your post all of those original posts have been destroyed so all we have left to document them is the forums them selves.
The danger there is if you didn't do the research, you don't know if your work is correct. This time it definitely did not pay off.
I again never said I am good at research, that why i like to talk to people about it.
Usually I find a go natured person who would like to discuss the matter evenly, even if we buttheads occasionally in the process.
There's a distinct irony in telling me I didn't investigate the source, when it seems you didn't investigate at all.
I said I don't believe that's the case.
In fact i ended that by indicating i don't understand how your mind works and likely that it would be useless information anyway:
I doubt that is the case which makes this even more confusing, it's irrelevant now but i'm glad that i don't understand your mindset.
The above clearly indicates that i did not believe that was the case.
Furthermore having investigated all i've determined that it was very little substance to it anyway also you've demonstrated it's been removed from here twitter.
The bottom line here is that Amandine's claim is that the reason Battlefield 1 will not have women is because it's not believable to boys, despite all the other things which defy "realism."
Yes and that doesn't make sense to me.
A number of other games in fact quite a number of them have allowed for female character in multiplayer.
As far as I know the majority of the gaming community does not care.
The previous battlefront game has female troopers and rebels despite the vast majority of them being male in the series.
Why is it that here, that this came down?
Who did this come from?
What makes this different?
From the get go i exposed the loose belief that this is chicanery and so far.
Now i must confirm that I am not married to this idea without evidence but so far the only evidence for anything is a former EA employee saying that women would not be in BF1 because boys.
No other evidence, reasoning or anything else.
You're celebrating them for a realism they have no interest in.
No, in fact I entered this thread annoyed that they wouldn't.
I will not see my people fighting in this war.
I will not see the ottoman conflicts, or the Italian or much passed the American front
At what point did you get the outrageous idea that i celebrated this game for it's realism.
I've mentioned i was fine with the women kicking around in it because it didn't mess with mechanics.