Feminists, we need to talk about fedoras

[generals3]

Fedora-shaming, on the other hand, is in no ways tied to men's sexuality, and even if it was, the historical context would be different. The shaming would be an act reclaiming, not oppressing. In reality, tho, the fedora, an entirely non-practical garment, unlike the mini-skirt, is derided for its symbolical value and the traditions it represents, not its ties to men's sexuality.

Would be "an act of reclaiming"? This kind of rhetoric remind me of certain people who shame muslims and want their country to reclaim its "national culture". This line of thinking is quite dangerous and wrong. Having your prejudices is one thing (everyone has them) but finding the will to justify them with such ideologically loaded statements is an other thing.

We're talking about fedoras here, not this (where derision would be justified due to its history):

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[sextus the crazy]

I always seen fedora-bashing as a joke more than anything else, albeit a somewhat tired one at this point, I'm surprised that anyone actually takes it seriously. Yeah, a fedora does look a bit silly when worn with a t-shirt and jeans but it isn't exactly a crime against humanity, anyone judging someone on their headwear alone needs to open their mind. Good post Eamar, I may link this in future next time a 'nice guy' thread sticks its head up (I'd give it a week, tops).

Yeah, I'm pretty sick of it, too. Luckily for me, when I wear my cheap fedora adorned with garish anime pins, I don't get shit from people. Because most people don't have the balls to insult your wardrobe of choice in person (and also I'm like the only person wearing a fedora on campus anyway).

 

[Uhura]

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But doesn't that type of thinking just come off as petty and mean? Why take a stand on something as meaningless as a hat? Is it really necessary to make people feel shitty for their fashion choices?

 

[EeveeElectro]

D'awww, you are a cutie Emma!

Spoiler: Also fedora

OT: I don't think it's fedora shaming per-say but rather "nice guy euphoric blah blah" shaming and that's more often than not associated with them wearing a fedora. It's like how hipsters are mocked, when people say "you dropped your hipster glasses" they're not mocking the glasses but rather the image they represent.

I personally haven't seen anyone tell another guy not to wear one but I have seen the shaming which I actually think is mainly because they wear it teamed with clothes they shouldn't.

I do think it's a silly stereotype that is just a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously. If we want to get serious for a minute, some people consider wearing a mini-skirt is asking to be raped. The implications behind that are far worse than what someone might assume of a man who wears a fedora.

 

[MatsVS]

But doesn't that type of thinking just come off as petty and mean? Why take a stand on something as meaningless as a hat? Is it really necessary to make people feel shitty for their fashion choices?

You say that like this is something I actually care about. I really don't. I just believe it's unjustified to mock this single garment, and to like it to slut-shaming is an intellectual fallacy.

Also, the other person who quoted me pulled the nazi card right off the bat so I'm not going to bother with a response.

 

[Weaver]

Nah, I think you make it work. Though, I would say that pinstripes would compliment your hair color better than straight up black

Pinstripes?
Fappy, no.
Don't make me call the fashion police because I will!

Do not take this advice, unless Bugsy Malone is the look you're going for.

Pinstripe suits are having a huge resurgence in American business fashion.

 

[Colour Scientist]

Nah, I think you make it work. Though, I would say that pinstripes would compliment your hair color better than straight up black

Pinstripes?
Fappy, no.
Don't make me call the fashion police because I will!

Do not take this advice, unless Bugsy Malone is the look you're going for.

Pinstripe suits are having a huge resurgence in American business fashion.

Pinstripe suits with matching pinstripe fedora?
I doubt it.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Fedoras are part of the "hipster" image, which I think is the area that falls under scrutiny. That mentality of 'Look how much I don't care that my wardrobe doesn't match at all. Can you tell how much I don't care? Cuz I don't!' And by the way I just phrased that you can probably tell where I stand on that issue. Nothing personal against anyone who wears a fedora, which are probably a lot of you.

Now I'm not a hat person at all, so I'm probably not the right person to say anything. I think fedoras belong to 1950's detectives and Indiana Jones, nobody else can pull it off. I think wearing a golf cap is also a bit... silly, which a lot of internet personalities seem to do too.

I never knew it had become part of the "nice guy" image though.

 

[Barbas]

I always seen fedora-bashing as a joke more than anything else, albeit a somewhat tired one at this point, I'm surprised that anyone actually takes it seriously. Yeah, a fedora does look a bit silly when worn with a t-shirt and jeans but it isn't exactly a crime against humanity, anyone judging someone on their headwear alone needs to open their mind. Good post Eamar, I may link this in future next time a 'nice guy' thread sticks its head up (I'd give it a week, tops).

Yeah, trilbies and fedoras...reeeeeally stand out when worn with a lot of things that aren't suits. They're nice hats on their own, smart and steeped in history, but they don't quite fit with casual gear. Especially cargo shorts. I think people who combine clothing like that can look absurd, but I make no serious judgments about how they view women, politics, religion or...anything, really. That would be absurd. It would be even more absurd than their hat.

OT: I think it's just another popular movement of mockery and derision that will fade into obscurity over time, just like all the other movements based on tedious casual bigotry and backward thinking that have been troubling the current generation. I think I must have missed the fedora thing - it probably gathered a lot of steam on sites like 4chan, Reddit and Tumblr, which I avoid.

 

[Weaver]

Nah, I think you make it work. Though, I would say that pinstripes would compliment your hair color better than straight up black

Pinstripes?
Fappy, no.
Don't make me call the fashion police because I will!

Do not take this advice, unless Bugsy Malone is the look you're going for.

Pinstripe suits are having a huge resurgence in American business fashion.

Pinstripe suits with matching pinstripe fedora?
I doubt it.

No, fedoras aren't very popular in wallstreet and the like.

 

[Hagi]

I always seen fedora-bashing as a joke more than anything else

I'll say this.

I haven't yet seen a case of bullying where the bullies did not consider it as a joke more than anything else.

 

[Eeeee0000]

I think it's because some people of the 'euphoric' "movement" claimed the fedora as a symbol. You don't see woman talking about being bitchy to men and exploiting them with their sexappeal and then using a miniskirt-symbol, I do get the idea that this happens with fedoras (i.e. this book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B07O4YA/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00B07O4YA&linkCode=as2&tag=natdee-20)
It's kinda like with lonsdale clothing, I don't know if that was a worldwide thing, but it became associated with racist skinheads because apparantly the letters in the middle (nsd) that were visible underneat a sweater reminded of nsb, and so people started wearing it to show their support of such ideas - and the clothing brand obviously became associated with it. (also skinheads, by the way, another physical attribute that we judge people on... ).

So I think the difference is the claiming of the clothing item by said group it is associated with.

 

[Fox12]

I'll admit I'm guilty of this in a different way. I saw a guy walk up in a Tap-out T-shirt, covered in tattoos, and I immediately thought "douchebag." Turns out he was a really nice guy, and I had misjudged him. In any case a lot of my female friends wear Fedoras, and so does my younger sister, so I'm not sure where the negative male stereotype comes from. That said, it certainly exists. In any case, I think real maturity comes from not judging other people, and not caring about what others think of you.

OP, you rock that Fedora by the way. I tried wearing one once, but I couldn't pull it off : P

 

[Treeinthewoods]

For me it's not that the fedora is sexist, it's that it is not attractive on anyone.

Frank Sinatra looked stupid with a Fedora on, nobody can make a fedora look good. Fashion faux pas of the highest caliber, thus I judge all who wear one not as misogynists but as appearing foolish. That view will never change, not ever. Not even for Yahtzee.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Let's just admit it: Most people are, to varying degrees, hypocrites. They'll protest any stereotype that they personally find offensive (especially if it's aimed directly at them), but any that they don't will get a disinterested shrug at best, and sometimes a wink and a nod- because, c'mon, we all know how those people are. True empathy is a rare thing.

 

[MrMixelPixel]

I would never legitimately shame someone for wearing a fedora or anything else that didn't obviously imply an affiliation I didn't want to associate with (like a swastika I suppose?). However, I'm more than guilty of lightheartedly joking about fedora wearing "neck-beards". It's be come a rather enjoyable meme. That might be a problem for some folks, and I'm sorry about that. Though I don't truly believe I'm doing anything wrong.

Whatever the case it's good to be self-aware about this and I'm happy to see it brought up.

 

[Autumnflame]

I love people that go if " insert gender here" right to shame people because it just is.
thats their right as a gender becasue of inequities hundreds of years ago. two wrongs dont make a right

 

[Ranorak]

Thank god I only wear top hats out in public.

Personally, I'm going for the Fez.
Fezzes are cool!