Feminists, we need to talk about fedoras

[OtherSideofSky]

I'd just like to point out the irony inherent in the fact that feminists had quite a lot to do with popularizing the fedora in the first place.

Also, I hate it when mainstream groups steal perfectly good insults from more niche communities. You can't call somebody a "neckbeard" these days without people thinking your some righteously angry idiot off Reddit or Tumblr, half of whom don't seem to understand what the term actually refers to in the literal sense, and more than half of whom are incapable of properly utilizing it.

 

[chadachada123]

Fedora-shaming, on the other hand, is in no ways tied to men's sexuality, and even if it was, the historical context would be different. The shaming would be an act reclaiming, not oppressing. In reality, tho, the fedora, an entirely non-practical garment, unlike the mini-skirt, is derided for its symbolical value and the traditions it represents, not its ties to men's sexuality.

Whoa whoa whoa.

You're completely mistaken here. The anti-fedora comments are almost always tied with comments on that man's virginity and derision of his sexual capacity.

It's the opposite, but just as derisive.

 

[Risingblade]

I blame hipsters for this injustice.

 

[Evil Smurf]

Thanks for the insight, I'll not judge people based on their hat preference anymore.
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I''m only ever half serious about fedoras though.

 

[EvilRoy]

Nah, I think you make it work. Though, I would say that pinstripes would compliment your hair color better than straight up black

Pinstripes?
Fappy, no.
Don't make me call the fashion police because I will!

Do not take this advice, unless Bugsy Malone is the look you're going for.

Pinstripe suits are having a huge resurgence in American business fashion.

Pinstripe suits with matching pinstripe fedora?
I doubt it.

No, fedoras aren't very popular in wallstreet and the like.

I was actually very surprised to see a number of pinstripe suits at my last convention thingy, and I'm not even a Wallstreet sort of business.

It doesn't look bad, but I do think the look needs to be completed with something. Its a shame fedoras/trilby's have a negative association, because the only other option I can think of is a corsage, which is a bit much for day to day.

 

[Mutie]

See, I'm not very good at keeping up with internet trends... and I sometimes wear a fedora when dressed in a suit, quite simply because it's one of the few smart hats that suit me (and I am a big advocate of hats in general, it goes with my psyche and lack of confidence in my vanilla appearance).

HOWEVER, I've already been dubbed one of these "Nice Guys" based on the fact that I'm very insecure and inexperienced in the field of flirting and stuff and, subsequently, often rely more on charm and manners to try and gain favor... Which is now bad And it hurts, it's had an actively negative affect on my love life; I now feel ashamed of being inexperienced and unconfident and have, quite honestly, given up trying to meet new people in person. Add to this the fact that I'm a "hipster" because I've been dressing in the same styles for the past ten years, and the fact that I'm "a pussy" because of my thin figure and lack of enthusiasm for meat... This whole fedora thing is just another aspect of life which I enjoy that's now been withdrawn and shamed by the mass populous, leaving me question my own taste and actions.

I just want to be me! And that can be difficult enough at the best of times, let alone when it seems everyday another thing I associate with (even on such a small level as this) is seemingly taken from me for fear of further labeling. Why can't we all wear what we want? Why can we love whichever gender we love? Why can't we say one remake is bad and another good without being a "hypocritical hater"? Why can't we play League of Legends as a healer without being a "pussy"? And, more than anything else, why can't we express interest in a potential romantic partner through polite consideration without being deemed a "nice guy [or girl] creep"?

Misandry is no less an issue that Misogyny (though to say that their combined presence has been balanced throughout history would be remiss to say the least)... I write to annihilate both, but do little other than perpetuate their existence through my efforts

 

[SKBPinkie]

I always seen fedora-bashing as a joke more than anything else, albeit a somewhat tired one at this point, I'm surprised that anyone actually takes it seriously.

Any joke on the internet suffers the same fate - repetition. And repetition is the worst thing that can happen to a joke. Not just because it's less funny each time, but more importantly - people actually start taking it seriously.

Hell, look at the whole big car / SUV and "lol compensating for something". It was barely chuckle-worthy the first couple times and now it's reached a point where people actually think that it might be true.

It's also why most memes are terrible.

 

[Fappy]

Nah, I think you make it work. Though, I would say that pinstripes would compliment your hair color better than straight up black

Pinstripes?
Fappy, no.
Don't make me call the fashion police because I will!

Do not take this advice, unless Bugsy Malone is the look you're going for.

Pinstripe suits are having a huge resurgence in American business fashion.

Pinstripe suits with matching pinstripe fedora?
I doubt it.

No, fedoras aren't very popular in wallstreet and the like.

I was actually very surprised to see a number of pinstripe suits at my last convention thingy, and I'm not even a Wallstreet sort of business.

It doesn't look bad, but I do think the look needs to be completed with something. Its a shame fedoras/trilby's have a negative association, because the only other option I can think of is a corsage, which is a bit much for day to day.

As far as I understand it, hats just haven't been a part of corporate fashion for a very long time now (in the US, anyway). We kind of have the stigma that hats are in some way disrespectful when worn in professional/religious settings, so I imagine it has something to do with that. Honestly, we could probably do well with some hats in corporate. Most of us are fucking balding XD

 

[ThreeName]

No.

You wear clothing by complete choice, and the clothing you choose has stereotypes attached to it. If you don't want to look a certain way and be treated a certain way, don't fucking dress that way.

And fuck this "shaming" shit, it's not about shaming, it's about judging people based on the conscious effort they've made to look a certain way and thus give an immediate visual representation of the type of person they are.

 

[chikusho]

Actually sounds quite familiar, right? It's body policing. It completely overlooks all the other reasons why someone might want to wear a miniskirt, and it's totally unfair to make (sometimes incredibly detailed) assumptions about a woman's lifestyle, beliefs and behaviours based on the fact that she's wearing a short skirt. It's ridiculous. And it's not the kind of thing we stand for. In fact, it's exactly the sort of thing we feminists rail against on a daily basis.

I don't really think you can compare shaming someone for making a cool hat look ridiculous with shaming someone for showing people the color of their underwear.

 

[Fappy]

No.

You wear clothing by complete choice, and the clothing you choose has stereotypes attached to it. If you don't want to look a certain way and be treated a certain way, don't fucking dress that way.

And fuck this "shaming" shit, it's not about shaming, it's about judging people based on the conscious effort they've made to look a certain way and thus give an immediate visual representation of the type of person they are.

Judgements are subjective. While a miniskirt may scream "SLUT" to some people it may mean "cute" to others. People should be allowed to dress the way they want (within reason) without being bombarded by ridicule. Sure, think what you want, but it doesn't mean you know jack shit about the person you're judging.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Ugly people look bad in everything because they are ugly, so they shouldn't be wearing fedoras anyway.

So by this logic, ugly people should wear... nothing?

 

[Vault101]

Oh god emar wut u doin? stahp....

Look I don't dislike fedoras inherently and were I ever to meet Somone wearing them I wouldn't act like a dick

My problem with a fedora is if Somone is doing it wrong then they look rediculous, to me it's like some nerdy person seeking an identity mabye they think by wearing the hat they will be as unique or as cool as Yahtzee but they aren't unique bad they don't have the wit to pull off the apeal of Yahtzee it's the lack if self awareness that gagged scorn from people

 

[TaboriHK]

I feel like tying feminism to fedora shaming and then wanting an actual discussion is so far removed from anything of value that it actually enters a Twilight Zone-esque realm of babble weirdness. I don't think there's even a way to approach the question without ending up knee deep in nonsense.

 

[Master_of_Oldskool]

Damn true, Eamar. Not only do I not get why people buy into the stereotype, I don't get where the hell it comes from in the first place.

Incidentally, could someone please tell me what the fuck "Euphoria" means in this context? Because my Google-fu has failed me on this one.