Feminists, we need to talk about fedoras

[Paradoxrifts]

youre turning this into an "evil feminist" thing when it isn't

Evil lurks in the internet as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.

the only winning move is to get off the internet and start applying yourself to your real life.

I may not agree with the rest of your post, but in all seriousness this is something I can get behind. This shit only crops up when people start blurring the lines between internet and real life. As I've said before, this is how tumblr happens

Which is why disposable latex gloves and moist towelettes were invented in the first place.

 

[VanQ]

While I can understand the angle you're going for with your comparison, I still think that Fedoras and Miniskirts are apples and oranges. The miniskirt is a common, even functional everyday piece of apparel and anyone with a normally functioning brain wouldn't feel any prejudice towards a girl in a miniskirt.

A Fedora is different for two reasons.
1. It's not a piece of apparel that covers anywhere that needs (in a way that would prevent you from being arrested) to be covered, thus its importance as a piece of clothing diminished already.

2. It was a hat popular in the early 1900s among men that wore suits tailor made to fit their body and fedora and you it looked good on them but not good on some sweaty, fat nerd with a trench coat and knee-high boots.

Perhaps you could compare it to something a bit more in tune with a hat but that girls tend to wear? I don't pay that much attention to fashion but maybe it would be more akin to leg warmers, if they were worn by and used as some kind of symbol by pseudo-intellectual misandrists or something?

[sub]inb4 someone gets offended that I used leg-warmers as an example even though I don't mean it literally.[/sub]

Hell, I don't even know why you targeted this thread at feminists in particular. I've seen people throw the Fedora insult at your typical, pseudo-intellectual "white knight" or "SJW" and they tend to find it just as insulting. I don't think there's really anything about the hat itself that draws peoples' ire. It's just that when you use the fedora insult, people get insulted.

Me, personally. My hat of choice is the beanie. I fucking love beanies. It's too bad I live in the middle of tropical Queensland, Australia and only get the chance to wear them when it gets really cold here or I go to the snow.

Spoiler

I'm not particularly attractive to begin with but I think the beanie suits my face well and it doesn't have any retarded stereotypes that go with it. Also, it looks just fine with casual clothes so I can wear it freely as long as the weather permits. It would look silly to wear it in the middle of the summer, so I don't do that. It's a conscious effort I make to wear a particular type of head wear when it's appropriate. A kind of effort that your typical steaming neckbeard doesn't make when he's wearing his fedora with clothes that don't match.

 

[Doclector]

I kind of want to know where the whole fedora thing started in the first place. Like, why did this "nice guy but not really" stereotype get linked to fedoras?

The guy who writes critical miss did a rather interesting article on the whole thing. In short, it's largely due to exactly what you said, people latching onto the hat as a source of personality because they don't really know any other way to express themselves through clothing, something which, as said in the article, men don't really have many options in without going down the "Frat boy, snapback" route.

I got one slightly before all this shit started. It was such a coincidence I jokingly blamed it on myself, after all, it seemed the nineties pokemon trend ended about the time that I got some cards. Honestly, it was mostly because summer came round once again, which I don't cope nearly as well with as winter, the sun was starting to get in my eyes, but I didn't want to cut off my peripheral vision with a baseball cap, aside from the fact I've always found baseball cap brims rather uncomfortable, they're too hard against my forehead. So, I went down to the indoor market, best place to find other kinds of men's hats, and got a trillby, which isn't a fedora but is often lumped in with it as far as shame goes. I didn't think it'd actually make me look good, it's me after all, I can never look good.

It worked really well for the purpose, but then I stopped being able to wear one for these very reasons. My parents actually got me a proper felt one for christmas last year, not knowing the hat's bad reputation. It's very comfortable, but I'm simply not allowed to ever wear it outside. Doesn't make sense, but people never did. Never made sense that people would look at you like they're about to vomit if you're wearing the wrong anything, but apparently what it's "okay" to wear changes every damn season in some circles.

So now I don't have any other way to shield my damn eyes from the sun besides squinting, and of course, that looks creepy as well. Just can never win.

 

[MatsVS]

Fedora-shaming, on the other hand, is in no ways tied to men's sexuality, and even if it was, the historical context would be different. The shaming would be an act reclaiming, not oppressing. In reality, tho, the fedora, an entirely non-practical garment, unlike the mini-skirt, is derided for its symbolical value and the traditions it represents, not its ties to men's sexuality.

Whoa whoa whoa.

You're completely mistaken here. The anti-fedora comments are almost always tied with comments on that man's virginity and derision of his sexual capacity.

It's the opposite, but just as derisive.

Nah, I'd argue that the comments are linked to men's relationship with female sexuality. The derision is just a useful tool to undercut his masculinity.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I'm talking about when people assume things about someone's personality and attitudes towards women based solely on their hat.

Well, if I see someone wearing a pimp hat, I'm gonna have to assume something.

 

[suitepee7]

i never hated on fedoras because of the stereotypes attached to them, i hated on them because 90% of the people who wear them look ridiculous

 

[putowtin]

D'awww, you are a cutie Emma!

Spoiler: Also fedora

That's a trilby, the brim is too narrow to be a fadora, but you look good none the less!

OT
I take no notice of fashion trends or what others may think. I've been wearing hats (trilbys fedoras and pork pie being my fav's) for years

I like it, so nickers to what anyone else may think!

 

[Roxor]

What baffles me is why these people care what someone else wears. I really don't get it.

Who cares what you wear so long as it covers your naughty bits?

 

[EeveeElectro]

D'awww, you are a cutie Emma!

Spoiler: Also fedora

That's a trilby, the brim is too narrow to be a fadora, but you look good none the less!

OT
I take no notice of fashion trends or what others may think. I've been wearing hats (trilbys fedoras and pork pie being my fav's) for years

I like it, so nickers to what anyone else may think!

Haha. My knowledge of hats is non-existent. The fact I know to put them on my head is one thing.

And thanks XD

 

[Vault101]

What baffles me is why these people care what someone else wears. I really don't get it.

Who cares what you wear so long as it covers your naughty bits?

clothing is visual shorthand for what kind of person somone is

no, its not ok to judge people who have different taste (or no taste at all)and people don;t always conform to any one thing....different outfits are like different costumes.... but to deny its a thing I'm afraid is just plain wrong

 

[Eddie the head]

I didn't even know this was a thing. But that can sum up about 90% of stereotypes I hear. Yes I did pull that number out of my ass.

 

[Padwolf]

But but but I don't shame men for wearing fedoras! I only shame them when they confuse Fedora and Trilby. I HAVE A CHART FOR THIS! This right here is the problem!

LEARN THIS WELL EVERYONE! LEARN IT!

Edit: Also I love hats and I think fedoras and trilbys both look great. I used to have a trilby myself, but it got chewed by my puppy.

 

[sageoftruth]

I too find it pretty unappealing to say fedora means "Nice guy". I still perceive a Fedora minus a suit or trench coat = person awkwardly trying to look cool or sophisticated though. It's kind of like a guy in a wifebeater putting on a necktie and going "There! I'm dressed up now!" The rest of the Fedora stereotypes are stretching it.

 

[Eamar]

But but but I don't shame men for wearing fedoras! I only shame them when they confuse Fedora and Trilby. I HAVE A CHART FOR THIS! This right here is the problem!

This is also something that annoys me beyond belief, but I figured further complications like that might be too much for one thread to handle

 

[Riot3000]

This is pretty funny because like all things on reddit and the net they yell more about the things they hate or attach haphazardly than the actual thing that exist. This goes for everything from friendzone to "nice guy" really they are just excuses to have some high ground and splurt out self serving platitudes.

On your topic I find that fedora kind of funny when you see the irony of it. These so called "feminist" because honestly I think there is way more talking the talk and not walking the walking going around might as well call themselves "patriarchy 2.0'. Think about our sex obsessed society shames women for having high numbers of sexual partners and shames men for not being studs. I mean "patriarchy would see these men as losers then these "feminist" just throw more wood on the fire like what?

Now the mini skirt as you said is associated with slut feminist come in and agree that a women should be shamed for enjoying or having sex etc. The same "patriarchy" that shames these women shame these men who are not studs. All that "neckbeard", "fedora" what not easy just "herp durp guy can't get laid" insults at the end of the day. So these "feminist" are basically in your example saying don't make assumptions about women but these men can go @#$% themselves. That why I laugh when jezebel, tumblr, reddit or internet in general "feminist" make complaints about their shitlord boyfriend and why they won't convert to feminism.

I don't think this is some sort of movement but people need to realize the hypocrisy that spews out and how unnecessarily dogmatic about minor thing make you look worse than the group your bashing.

As for how fedoras look well big deal some hate ed hardy shirts, some hate skinny jeans it happens I don't have time to make judgment or personality calls about what person is wearing beyond that they are wearing it.

 

[McMullen]

Fedoras are part of the "hipster" image, which I think is the area that falls under scrutiny. That mentality of 'Look how much I don't care that my wardrobe doesn't match at all. Can you tell how much I don't care? Cuz I don't!' And by the way I just phrased that you can probably tell where I stand on that issue. Nothing personal against anyone who wears a fedora, which are probably a lot of you.

Now I'm not a hat person at all, so I'm probably not the right person to say anything. I think fedoras belong to 1950's detectives and Indiana Jones, nobody else can pull it off. I think wearing a golf cap is also a bit... silly, which a lot of internet personalities seem to do too.

I never knew it had become part of the "nice guy" image though.

I don't know; everybody here is getting so worked up about wardrobe choices, and spending so much energy on assuming things about people based on what they wear, that it actually starts to make a bit of sense to think "You know what? Fuck you guys and your opinions." and start wearing clashing outfits just to mock them. That doesn't make it less childish, but I can definitely see where the sentiment comes from. I kinda think both parties just need to grow up a bit.

 

[Phasmal]

Well, you've already said that you're not talking about people who just say it for a laugh, and that includes myself, but I'm gonna talk about it anyway.

I've only seen a fedora in real life once. A couple of weeks ago a guy on the bus was wearing one, and I had a little internal giggle about it being a sign of the apocalypse. Simply because I didn't think it was really A Thing. I've only seen them on those god-awful `nice guys of OKCupid` pictures.

But rest assured, no matter what I may have thought, I will treat a fedora-guy the way I would treat any non-fedora guy. (Which is - I would speak back to them if spoken to but probably not talk to them because I am socially awkward and try and speak to as few people as possible).

Silently, though, I don't like the look.

 

[AgedGrunt]

For me it's not that the fedora is sexist, it's that it is not attractive on anyone.

Well, it raises the basic point: "Is this me?" Nobody pulls off every look. No one should be surprised that people are mocked for poor or superficial choices.

Back in the day you would've visited a tailor shop and tried on many different hats. It's about looking your best, not picking what you think is "cool". That's how you end up looking like a tool.

 

[Arakasi]

I have more of the problem with the reverse, basically the view that anyone who expresses anti-religious sentiments is just a 'euphoric' or 'fedora-wearer'. In a lot of cases (though not all, there undoubtedly can be asshole anti-theists) it feels like thinly veiled anti-intellectualism.

 

[Vault101]

Well, you've already said that you're not talking about people who just say it for a laugh, and that includes myself, but I'm gonna talk about it anyway.

I've only seen a fedora in real life once. A couple of weeks ago a guy on the bus was wearing one, and I had a little internal giggle about it being a sign of the apocalypse. Simply because I didn't think it was really A Thing. I've only seen them on those god-awful `nice guys of OKCupid` pictures.

But rest assured, no matter what I may have thought, I will treat a fedora-guy the way I would treat any non-fedora guy. (Which is - I would speak back to them if spoken to but probably not talk to them because I am socially awkward and try and speak to as few people as possible).

Silently, though, I don't like the look.

It is definetly a thing

I was at the bus station and saw a classic fedora, cargo shorts, space invader t shirt messy hair and the hat