It's nice to see I struck a nerve, and I was correct in predicting a flight-or-flight emotional attack. Thanks for adding nothing at all whatsoever to the discussion. When you have an argument, criticism, or question regarding anything I've written, let me know.
If your comment annoys someone it doesnt mean its correct -_- at least thats what i get from reading "struck a nerve and predicted" as if pissing someone off earns points in an argument for correctness. Apologies if thats not what you meant but i hate that goddam tactic so much.
For example I think a LOT of mens issues stem from womens issues. Women beating men is funny because women are weak and men are strong so no real harm should be done. If it is then thats humiliating because a weak woman defeated a strong man. Crying, cooking/cleaning for your family and child rearing are things women do, and thus for a man to do them is bad and he will be assumed to be bad at them (which is why custody cases are lost so often).
Some like the mutilation are just weird tradition things I think are worth fighting seperate from feminism. However ive come to the conclusion that a lot of what men arent allowed to do or are mocked for doing stems from them being seen as women and being a women is bad. Thus if we correct how society views women we correct how a society sees men who do things traditionally done by women. Seems like cause and effect to me.
I'm gonna keep judging people who wear fedoras. Maybe in some places it's a stereotype rather than a legitimate phenomenon, but in my hometown only douchebags wear them.
How about judging people by their deeds not their gender or clothes? I mean, it's metal all over again. People do it to identify with group. But even if you wear swastika it doesn't mean you are NeoNazi. Or that you are racist, anti gay etc. Clothes mean nothing. FFS there were gay blacks wearing KKK uniforms with swastikas to demonstrate how meaningless clothes can be.
My SO wears a trillby, but he wears it with black slacks, loafers and a long-sleeved dress shirt. His frame, specs and facial hair make him look like a museum curator or like he's about to open Jurassic Park. Bottom line, it looks amazing on him.
I, on the other hand, wear Slob Chic because nothing formal ever looks good on me thanks to my debilitating condition of Having a Huge Face.
Still, I suppose I would feel rightly offended if someone immediately thought of me as a creep with misdirected libidinous anger because of a hat. Good thread.
Obviously the whole Reddit/"nice guy"/euphoria/fedora thing isn't particularly new, and I'm not here to talk about that specifically. However, what I have been seeing more of (and not just on the Escapist, or even the internet) is, for lack of a better term "fedora shaming", whereby people are judged or mocked for wearing said headgear, actively discouraged from purchasing or wearing them, or, in the best case scenario, have to qualify and defend their choice of hat.
With that in mind, join me in a little thought experiment:
Imagine some item of women's clothing, let's say, I don't know, the miniskirt, was associated with some pretty unpalatable behaviours. In this scenario there's a stereotype that girls and young women who wear miniskirts are "bitches" who deliberately use their sex appeal to get what they want, are shallow, and bully others who don't match up to their ideas of beauty and popularity.
This isn't just some entirely baseless stereotype, though. In fact, if you search the right corners of the right social networks you will find evidence that such creatures do actually exist. Now, you know as well as I do that not all miniskirt wearers in this theoretical world are like this, and that people had been wearing miniskirts long before this stereotype emerged, but due to their time in those specific parts of the internet, some people can't help but make the mental connection - when someone says "miniskirt", they think "*****."
Now imagine that because of this groups of people (predominantly, but by no means exclusively male) start to transfer the problems they have with the stereotypical women we discussed earlier onto the item of clothing itself. They start to judge everyone who wears a miniskirt purely on the basis of their skirt; they act as if it's physically impossible to wear a miniskirt and not be a "cock-tease *****" or a replica of the girls who bullied them in high school. They start authoritatively telling their friends not to wear miniskirts, because that's not what nice girls do.
Actually sounds quite familiar, right? It's body policing. It completely overlooks all the other reasons why someone might want to wear a miniskirt, and it's totally unfair to make (sometimes incredibly detailed) assumptions about a woman's lifestyle, beliefs and behaviours based on the fact that she's wearing a short skirt. It's ridiculous. And it's not the kind of thing we stand for. In fact, it's exactly the sort of thing we feminists rail against on a daily basis.
... Oh. Right. Think about it.
TL;DR: My belief is this: if you're against shaming women for their choice of clothing, quit shaming men for wearing hats. Do you agree? Or have I completely missed the point somewhere? Discuss!
This is a THing? It's a HAT! You want an offensive hat? Cut eyeholes in a Pillowcase. Hey I have an Idea. Why don't you try and Tell Yahtzee his has to go because it means Women are sub-human. Go ahead, I will be eating popcorn and watching to see an actual case of somebody being so scathingly rebuffed on their lack of a point that they spontaneously Combust.
Mary Mother of Jesus in Bestiality Gang bang WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK is wrong with people?
That's it, I quit the Internet! / Door slam, sound of retreating footsteps
Ironically, that blog is the most misogynist thing I have ever read.
Apparently, all women are brainwashed and helpless. They can never engage or enjoy sex. Men are the dominant force by default 100% of the time and a woman's only hope is to avoid them for they will fall easily.
Funny how something can be both misandric and misogynist at the same time. "The desposable male" attitude is very much the same in this regard, on one hand it piant man as les important making they death less of a tragedy, but on the other hand it assume that woman are inharitly either halpless and needing man to save them from peril and\or derive their worth from their status as "property" of those who defend them.
As for fadoras. I am most bothered by how some people use the "image" of a fat fedora wearing man with "neckbeard" as a way to dehumanise and other people who they don't agree with. This is te thing that really ticks me off.
That. Article. Hurt. My. Brian. Large portions of it will need to be re-grown to affect repairs.
We all collectively owe Ross Lincoln an apology: he is Pulitzer prize material compared with that.
Am I the only person a smidgen sad that MovieBOB is becoming the poster boy for this too? Jesus, people on Twitter ACTUALLY told him to kill himself. He doesn't even wear a Fedora! But as I have said, Bob is a much easier target than say, Yahtzee, because he IS a big guy, HAS a beard, and moves in the same circles as Aieta Sarkeesian, and is FAR less likely to rip a new Anus for you wide enough to encompass you and your entire camp of idiots.
Ouch, that witchwind wordpress thing was painful to read... Though what does "PIV" mean? I know "PIV" only as an stepplessly adjustable kind of transmission and that can't be right...?
On-topic: Yeah, after all we're all not so different on the inside... We're all privilege blind, we have all pack mentalities and we all need empathy and a step back to solve the problems seperating us.
I actually don't have a fedora but I do have a trilby my mother gave me for my birthday/carnival. It has a bright floral pattern and sequines and I think it suits me very well (I'm a 250lbs 6'3" guy). I just didn't have the balls yet to wear it in public
jfc It's not simply wearing fedoras that causes feminists (and most people in general) avoid fedora-laden people. It's that a good deal of them are completely ridiculous and rude. It's a joking way of calling out self-important jerks who believe a specific set of things, namely that women are obligated to fuck them after they are 'nice', that they're superior to other men because of said niceness, and so on.
Nobody hates fedoras. They hate what they represent. Kind of like, oh idk, red armbands. They aren't inherently bad and they look dope as fuck sometimes, but you know who they're associated with? Nazis. If someone is that concerned with the image of a hat, they should wear the hat and act as a GOOD person, to dilute the reputation and thus reclaim the hat. BUT SERIOUSLY IT'S A HAT.
As for the miniskirt example: it's two different things. Miniskirts are associated with 'sluttiness' which itself is an anti-feminist concept that, as said, body polices and prevents women from just being themselves. Fedoras are associated with actually repugnant behaviors. No feminist would ever say that it's a person's right to objectify others or ignore their feelings when it comes to sex.
Ouch, that witchwind wordpress thing was painful to read... Though what does "PIV" mean? I know "PIV" only as an stepplessly adjustable kind of transmission and that can't be right...?
I assume it means "Penis in Vagina"; and I find it giggleworthy the author doesn't even use the words for some reason.
I actually don't have a fedora but I do have a trilby my mother gave me for my birthday/carnival. It has a bright floral pattern and sequines and I think it suits me very well (I'm a 250lbs 6'3" guy). I just didn't have the balls yet to wear it in public
You know, there's just one requirement to wearing that hat - wanting to wear that hat ^^ (Fashion sense isn't required per se, but it does help a lot, mind...)
Tell that to my fiancee who quietly whines from pain few hours after she's up without bra. She is very well endowed when it comes to breasts and it really hurts her back without supportive bra now that she is 30 and her job and her schooling requiters her to stand.
Ouch, that witchwind wordpress thing was painful to read... Though what does "PIV" mean? I know "PIV" only as an stepplessly adjustable kind of transmission and that can't be right...?
I assume it means "Penis in Vagina"; and I find it giggleworthy the author doesn't even use the words for some reason.
I actually don't have a fedora but I do have a trilby my mother gave me for my birthday/carnival. It has a bright floral pattern and sequines and I think it suits me very well (I'm a 250lbs 6'3" guy). I just didn't have the balls yet to wear it in public
You know, there's just one requirement to wearing that hat - wanting to wear that hat ^^ (Fashion sense isn't required per se, but it does help a lot, mind...)
"Penis in..." I don't even know what to say... I'm... What? I'm kind of torn between posting
The part I means comes roughly at 0:30
in that comment section or just suggestint to type "whoops" or "bleep" or "IT!!!" instead every time.... I can't decide if I should feel stupid or proud or both or none...
And for the hat... Yeah, that desire is required but it still also takes balls
To be honest, I think a lot of it comes down to the simple fact that the whole feminist movement has gotten a sound spanking recently, and while still a small thing, we've seen more attention paid to misandry and women being bigots (or just generally bigoted portrayals of men, especially when promoting products to sell to women) than at any time before. Sexism being wrong no matter "who started it" or what direction it's been going.
The guys with their hands on the whip, do tend to have a lot of things in common. The Fedora has been attached to a certain kind of arthouse intellectual and free thinker, much the same way how berets, sweaters, and unruly facial hair had been attached to the "Beatnik" crowd of yesterday which eventually wound up being turned into a similar kind of stereotype, which also kind of destroyed it over time.
The issue is largely when you can't laugh at yourself, and decide to get offended by a stereotype as opposed to making it your own (and even turning around the negative things attached to it a second time, to have them point back even more nastily in the other direction) like a few groups have done. As a result your seeing the whole "euphoric" (making fun of intellectual, little-heard words) thing and the "fedora" (not always present, but often enough to be recognized) thing being turned effectively into an attack and people going on the offensive, especially if tied to this group.
To be honest I don't much care, I've occasionally laughed when people tried to point that whole "euphoric, fedora" thing at me (especially seeing as I only care about feminism in very specific contexts, namely when I feel it intrudes on freedom of expression, or tries to do so through shaming).
That said my basic attitude is that people need to have a bit more self confidence with their arguments, especially when you show up (knowingly) as a minority in a community, and can't do much more but "show the colors" so to speak. That said Fedoras are a fashion accessory that not many people can wear well, Harrison Ford pulled it off, that dude from "White Collar" has done it, etc.. typically they also need to go with a specific style of dress as well, and aren't something you can just toss onto any outfit and have work. Hats take more thought than most people give them credit for, especially serious hats. As a result yes... the typical image of some fat dude in an old oversized button down shirt of the sort that was popular in the mid-late 90s, a jacket over that, a pair of black jeans, and a bloody Fedora, does look absolutely ridiculous. Of course then again the crowd that does this might be on the opposite end of the idealogical spectrum but don't look any more ridiculous than dudes running around in the middle of summer with black turtle necks, berets, and satchels... or perhaps I should say they look equally ridiculous. I imagine like the old "arthouse intellectuals" going against the conventions of their day these will die out (or rather the "fashion" will) just the same.
Such are my thoughts.
At the end of the day though, if you want to avoid this kind of thing, really, really, think about how you look in a hat before you wear it. As several people have said (and I've kind of echoed) it's not about the Fedora itself. If you wear it well, likely not many people will care.
Ouch, that witchwind wordpress thing was painful to read... Though what does "PIV" mean? I know "PIV" only as an stepplessly adjustable kind of transmission and that can't be right...?
On-topic: Yeah, after all we're all not so different on the inside... We're all privilege blind, we have all pack mentalities and we all need empathy and a step back to solve the problems seperating us.
I actually don't have a fedora but I do have a trilby my mother gave me for my birthday/carnival. It has a bright floral pattern and sequines and I think it suits me very well (I'm a 250lbs 6'3" guy). I just didn't have the balls yet to wear it in public
I had to google that. PIV means Penis In Vagina. So EVERY WOMAN EVER to have a child, was raped in order for children to be made. You Dad raped Your Mom, and so on and so on all the way back to before Penises and Vagina's developed as mechanisms for procreation of species.
It's been a LOOOOONG time since I have read anything that made me think this:
Yeah, that's what I thought... That whole article is so far removed from the reality of life for women (as far as I, being a man, can see it) that I actually firlmy believe that its author is in fact an alien that got its hands on a biology textbook and is just grossed out.
Edit: Oh, and I forgot to mention... My Google speaks German to me so when I tried to google PIV I only got hits regarding the transmission I already knew about from engineering... Google tried to protect me...
Yup. The first time I came across the term I was naive and kind of assumed it must mean "penetration involving violence" and was some sort of anti-BDSM thing :/
Having consulted others who personally know some rad fems, apparently people who think like this advocate such things as "rubbing semen onto the vulva" in order to achieve pregnancy. Penetration's just an unnecessary extra men choose to inflict on women, apparently >.<
I'm proud to be a feminist. I really am. But shit like this makes it really difficult sometimes...
Yeah, that's what I thought... That whole article is so far removed from the reality of life for women (as far as I, being a man, can see it) that I actually firlmy believe that its author is in fact an alien that got its hands on a biology textbook and is just grossed out.
And Furthermore! See my Avatr? That's me at a Pub on a Halloween pub-crawl, dressed as Black Spidey. The Fedora, or Trillby, or whatever, was put on my head by an attractive woman dressed as a gangster in a pin-striped suit. She and I hit it off and we spent the rest of the crawl hanging out. She gave it to me because "Spider-Man is Hot, and you are cool, t and the only way Spider-Man could be cooler is with a sweet Gangsta hat."
At no point from then on was any woman offended, and good times were had all around.
And Furthermore! See my Avatr? That's me at a Pub on a Halloween pub-crawl, dressed as Black Spidey. The Fedora, or Trillby, or whatever, was put on my head by an attractive woman dressed as a gangster in a pin-striped suit. She and I hit it off and we spent the rest of the crawl hanging out. She gave it to me because "Spider-Man is Hot, and you are cool, t and the only way Spider-Man could be cooler is with a sweet Gangsta hat."
At no point from then on was any woman offended, and good times were had all around.
To me the case is clear. That woman was either a spy trying to win your affection to exploit it later or she was a TRAITOR TO THE RADICAL FEMINIST CAUSE!!!
I'm sorry, I don't know how to deal with this other than through sarcasm and making fun of it. D:
Yup. The first time I came across the term I was naive and kind of assumed it must mean "penetration involving violence" and was some sort of anti-BDSM thing :/
Having consulted others who personally know some rad fems, apparently people who think like this advocate such things as "rubbing semen onto the vulva" in order to achieve pregnancy. Penetration's just an unnecessary extra men choose to inflict on women, apparently >.<
I'm proud to be a feminist. I really am. But shit like this makes it really difficult sometimes...
Well, if we had children their way, at LEAST over-population wouldn't be an issue. So, I take it that all other species are rapists as well? (Well, Dolphins actually ARE rapists, but Fuck Dolphins anyways) I would LOVE to hear their views on Animal Husbandry!
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