foxtrot3100 said:
Stevepinto3 said:
Ugh. Do we have to do this every time Joss Whedon says so much as "Malcolm Reynolds"? Every few months there's another stir because someone from Firefly farted or something. All it does is get everyone's hopes up for nothing. Yet every time, articles and discussions pop up all over the internet.
This
Yes, really this. Firefly did not become the instantaneous pop culture phenom that Star Wars did, and it's frankly not going to happen. And every time someone says Firefly, the internet insists on banging on my door reminding me that Firefly "should" have happened. And my response still is "but it didn't".
And I'm tired of being a science fiction fan having to listen to fellow sci-fi fans flogging this dead horse. Time has moved on, folks. There isn't one be-all and end-all, and even if there was, Firefly ain't even approaching being it.
Strazdas said:
So it took The Avengers for Joss Whedon to actually get noticed. What is wrong with the world?
The fact that he's a niche director who doesn't have a unique visual style and writes plot and dialogue for 15 year olds?
The Avengers would have been successful no matter who was at the helm, and it barely had a plot to speak of. It had a lot of built in hype and goodwill from previous films. I'm reasonably certain that 90% of the people who saw The Avengers STILL don't know that Joss Whedon directed it, and of the remaining 10%, 90% of those don't care. He's not a "name" director, and I honestly don't believe The Avengers did anything to change that.
When he builds a franchise from scratch that ISN'T a cult success, the fanbase can come talk to me about how poor Joss Whedon goes underappreciated.